Why wont die hard GAA fans admit football these days is muck?

Charlo30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455949#Comment_122455949

You'd run the risk of it becoming Catch & Kick. Positionally it would probably be much more static and I suspect a lot more low scoring

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455949#Comment_122455949

what about no hand passing in your oppositions half of the field?

WesternZulu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455988#Comment_122455988

Would that not make it easier for defenders?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455949#Comment_122455949

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455973#Comment_122455973

Maybe the solution is remove the handpass as a option in the game in a teams own half - should be easy enough to ref.

AND have a 30 second shot clock rule like the basketball.

Teams would then not be able to do the backwards sideways stuff coming from the keeper.

Then when teams are in the opponents half they will be forced to shoot.

I also think that 13 a side might be the way to go more space for teams to attack, harder to funnel back, I was just thinkng of the space that the Rugby sevens have, oceans of space for runs etc. Add two subs to the bench.

Plus they already have the GAA 7's up in Kilmacud - more open football

https://youtu.be/2SgCXfOefx8?si=DPqofxaClwgD5MWq&t=584

pgj2015

Also the goalkeepers have to be stopped from wandering up the field, they are just adding to the problem of overcrowding. im amazed this hasn't been nipped in the bud a long time ago.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455573#Comment_122455573

I think its only going to get even worse, if that is possible. unless the rule changes save it.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457141#Comment_122457141

Not the biggest issue……overuse of the handpass is the biggest issue for the watchability of Gaelic Football today.

All the rubbish like the 37 passes and no result stems from that….time to wise up folks

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457165#Comment_122457165

Stopping the goalkeepers travelling up the field is an easy fix though and has to be made.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457165#Comment_122457165

I was thinking a 45 second shot clock in the opponents half might be more practical than the 30 second one for Gaelic football it probably needs that amount to probe and find the "scoring zone" bigger area etc. Even if it was 13 a side. Could penalise for a breach with a free for the other side. If it is done three times in a row by a team make it a 45' free.

As I said before it is not the 37 handpasses that bother me, it is when it is done CONSTANTLY that is when it gets silly. At some stage a team has to break up the field and attack. So teams could take the occassional "breather" and sting out of the game. But it would not be non-stop backwards, sideways, backwards, sideways

I noticed in the AI final the reaction of the crowd when Armagh/Galway started to recycle again. Plenty of times it was there were a few chances where a fella on either side would make a darting run into the opponents danger area.

But his teammates either would not my make movements/options for him, or he would just start recycling again. Sometimes way back down the field. Plenty of times a team did not look up and see lads in space, the first thought was to keep possession.

Any changes to rules would have to be seriously considered though as they could have unintended consequences. I like the fact that Fitzmaurice said any rule changes will be tested for loopholes and that type of thing. Like the Advanced mark has really back fired.

I think fundamentally the changes have to speed the game up/discourage constant slow play, AND be easy to implement by the referee.

To be honest I don't think there needs to be much changes, but it has to be the correct changes, simple ones preferably.

It is not the likes of me the changes have to draw in, it is the neutrals/casual watcher of Gaelic football.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459446#Comment_122459446

How would a shot clock work for club football?

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459940#Comment_122459940

Do Ladies have a clock for club football? Such a timekeeper could do the shot clock. The point about a timekeeper, at a time of shortage of referees, is that they do not have to run up and down the field, an older person like a retired ref could do this job.

tayto lover

High scoring games doesn't mean that the football is better imo. It just means that the defending is worse. As someone who played as a defender I get great satisfaction in watching good defending and seeing players battle as a unit to prevent scores. The defending is what I enjoyed most in the AI Final. Not everyone appreciates the high scoring entirely.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460462#Comment_122460462

The Roscommon-Cavan game was high scoring, because the teams were not in the top rank.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459940#Comment_122459940

Surely all they need is a fella with a stop watch and hooter - as the timekeeper fella just for that job. Not expensive tech needed.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460503#Comment_122460503

Yes and the defending was all over the place. Wasn't it 3-20 to 1-20 or something like that. Some great forward play but both defences wide open.

Charlo30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460508#Comment_122460508

There are Junior and Intermediate matches were they struggle to get people to do Umpiring. Good luck getting some to do the shot clock

elefant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460508#Comment_122460508

When does this fella reset the stopwatch?

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461742#Comment_122461742

impossible to do at club level , we are lucky to have umpires at intermediate or junior level let alone someone to look after the time

The_Kew_Tour

I don't know if I be in minority but one rule I would change is let players pick it off the ground. It causes too much controversy in games even in AI Armagh were punished and it was not picked off ground.

I think it would make game faster at times as player could fist it away to team mate etc. To me it slows game down a little too.

The game only needs a few changes for me. I hate for it turn into a complete different game. The game is still good just needs few adjustments not 10 or 20.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462169#Comment_122462169

The most important thing is not to ignore the elephant in the room….. the amount of hand passing in the current way the game is played and coached.

Most of the 'fallout' stems from that in my opinion, and the trundling of players back and forward condensing the play

into the last third of the pitch with the consequent congestion has made the game a poor watch.

Sort that stuff out and we could have at least a start to pull the game out of the doldrums.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462169#Comment_122462169

The game isn't good at all.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461742#Comment_122461742

After each "play" when a team is in the opponents half as the yanks say. Once they are in the opponents half the 45 second stopwatch starts. Up to a team to take a shot within that time. If they lose the ball/take a shot the stopwatch watch is reset.

Stopwatches are not expensive to buy.

No more difficult than clicking a stopwatch when a runner does a lap etc. Obviously in Croke Park and the bigger grounds could have a 45 second countdown.

I think it would be alright, as it should not take a team more than 45 seconds to break down the field from one side of the pitch to the other. Or when in the opponents half a team should have no excuses for working a scoring chance within that time. Especially if 13 a side.

jj880

Im from North Donegal. Just to test the waters a while ago I mentioned to an uncle of mine that I found the hurling much more entertaining to watch in recent years. He looked at me like Id just shat in Jim McGuinness's porridge. The football has gone to shyite. Over and back outside the 45 until a gap appears then some wee lad darts in for a score. Then up the other end for more of it. Jaysus. Just look at the 2 All Ireland finals. Night and day. The hurling final was one of the best spectacles Ive ever watched.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462169#Comment_122462169

I suggested the picking off the ground as a rule change earlier in the thread. Along with making it 8 or 10 steps instead of 4. Both would just be recognising what happens anyway. A player running at near the speed of a 100 metre sprinter in the Olympics, should not be expected to execute a solo in the time it takes to run 4 steps.

All this other stuff is just asking teams to surrender possession to the opponents for no good reason. Not going to work, because possession of the ball is what creates scores. The field is there for all the players to set up whatever way they want. Nothing stopping them going back to defenders, midfielders and forwards staying in their positions. And the keeper choosing to send every kickout into midfield. Teams simply don't want to do that any more, because it is not an efficient way to win matches.

elefant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462535#Comment_122462535

You would likely end up with 20+ frees given every game for the clock running out, and from teams intentionally running into the corner at the end of the time and not taking a shot because a turnover from a stupid shot is more dangerous than giving away a free and slowing down it being taken. And that's not even accounting for how much more effective a shot clock would make getting 15 players behind the ball.

Rule change ideas are interesting to discuss, but totally unworkable suggestions thrown out as simple solutions - like a shot clock or, incredibly in this thread, full on banning handpassing (!) - just demonstrate how far removed some of these theoretical discussions are from the reality.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462692#Comment_122462692

There wouldn't be 15 players in my idea though there would be 13 a side - much harder for 11 outfield players to crowd an area and defend, on wide Gaelic football pitches. There would be more space to exploit.

I think teams will learn and adapt if you don't want to start giving frees away take shot with the 45 seconds when within an opponents half simple.

Plus I think what would eventually happen a team would have a specialised long range shooter like a scrum half in rugby.

Plenty of possibilities.

If a shot clock can work in basketball why not Gaelic football? It is scores people the OP want to see fast play and movement/shots on goal.

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462584#Comment_122462584

Ya the steps is good move too. Most players seem take 6 or 7 at times anyway

dxhound2005

Lots of long range shooting in the games I see. Must drive the "clipboard" people who do the stats on percentage shooting mad. Sometimes they get a point, more often they go wide or into the keepers hands. Putting players on a clock is not going to improve the outcomes.

"Recent studies have identified shot efficiency as a key performance indicator (KPI) in Gaelic football; however, there has been little research into the impact of shot location on shot efficiency. The current study aims to establish a methodology to calculate shot distance and angle reliably and consistently in Gaelic football. Through application of this methodology to the 2019 inter-county championship the impact of distance and angle on shot success was assessed. There was evidence of reliability in the proposed methodology for calculating shot distance and angle. As a result, this study determined average shot distance at 30.9 m (±11.4 m) and average shot angle at 31.3° (±18.6°). While shot success peaked at 20 m, shots from closer to goal had a higher points per shot value given many from closer range were successful goal attempts, thus having greater scoreboard impact. This study can conclude that the scoring zone in Gaelic football lies within a 32 m arc of the goal, and within a 60° angle from the midline of the pitch. Moreover, this study presents the first validated methodology to calculate shot distance and angle in Gaelic football using commercially available software."

elefant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462726#Comment_122462726

Where to start on the differences?

Two big ones:

1. The clock has a simple reset mechanism - when the ball touches the ring of the basket.

2. It's far, far easier to score in basketball. You can engineer a good opportunity at any stage of a shot clock. What do you do if you're under pressure outside the 45 with 2 second to go and the other team have 15 behind the ball? You can guarantee teams will quickly be kicking the ball out over the sideline as close to the opposition goal as possible. Some spectacle that would be! What they absolutely won't be doing at inter county level, and what people seem to be imagining from a theoretical shot clock, is just kicking it randomly to the other team

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462761#Comment_122462761

Unfortunately this is kind of rubbish that the very top brass of the GAA can see is killing the game as entertainment value.