Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Why does the Catholic Church still gave control over some schools in Ireland? It's time this changed

Options
24567

Comments

  • Options
    #32
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058287307/why-does-the-catholic-church-still-gave-control-over-some-schools-in-ireland-its-time-this-changed

    Here is the thing, the government is not going to do anything that the majority of the voters don't agree with. And the Irish people are pretty good at figuring out what they want as evidenced by 100 years of voting records at this stage. So if you want change you need to get out from behind the keyboard and star an actual campaign that convinces people to change or wait in until they decide it on their own.



  • Options
    #33
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330680#Comment_120330680

    Are women everywhere else forced to have three children? Is the earths population going to dwindle away when we all embrace this Star Trek multiculturalism for humanitys sake, apparently?



  • Options
    #34
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120327592#Comment_120327592

    And what was the reaction of the kids parents when you discussed it with them?



  • Options
    #35
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,202 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330168#Comment_120330168

    *Sounds of liberal heads exploding*



  • Options
    #36
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330626#Comment_120330626

    Multiculturalists have very little interest in spreading multiculturalism beyond western civilisation.

    It's almost like they hate the West.



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #37
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 15,216 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330558#Comment_120330558

    This is a good point

    I am a member of that Bouncy Castle Catholic set, have not been to mass since COVID but still have a kid making their communion this spring and have no problems sending kids to the local Catholic schools.

    Our Polish neighbours on the other hand a off to 2hr Polish masses every Sunday without fail.



  • Options
    #38
    JohnnyFortune
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭JohnnyFortune


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330680#Comment_120330680

    Offer tax breaks for children getting bigger the more you have, create a non-extortionate child care system, have a functioning housing system.

    All things that could be done.



  • Options
    #39
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,918 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330718#Comment_120330718

    It's always the way: the most strident "get religion out of education" campaigners are almost always childless.

    The parents, on the other hand, are usually quite happy to buy into a moral framework that they don't have to negotiate.



  • Options
    #40
    Will_I_Amnt
    Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    A slight tangent....but....Seen the reports of the documentary shown in Poland on Monday night that claims Archbishop Karol Wojtyla (later Pope John Paul II) knowingly hid peado priests, moving them from Poland tp Austria without telling anyone in Austria what they had been up to, and they continued their abuse there. This **** has been known for over 30 years and people havent wanted to talk about it - instead, they made him a fuckin saint! They're a fuckin disgrace and any representative from the church should be run out of every school in Ireland if they dare set foot in it. It's why I sent my children to an Educate Together school.



  • Options
    #41
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,430 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330909#Comment_120330909

    These things probably exist in some countries. People just don't want big families, it's hard work and a kid is no doubt way more expensive than any tax break you might get.



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #42
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,202 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330844#Comment_120330844

    Like 'trendy' people who want to wipe out single sex schools, they are all about choice but only the sorts of choices they approve of. i.e. let's have no more Catholic ethos schools and no more single sex schools, in spite of the fact that people may want to send kids there.



  • Options
    #43
    JohnnyFortune
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭JohnnyFortune


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331027#Comment_120331027

    Hungary have brought it in and their birth rate is increasing. Kids are expensive hence the non-extortionate childcare and housing fix. Cut aid to foreign countries and grants etc to foreign aid NGOs, keep Irish tax money in Ireland and help Ireland prepare for the future.

    Cant see any issues with an Irish government looking after Irish people, can you?



  • Options
    #44
    downtheroad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329818#Comment_120329818

    If a chain of creches was found to have been sexually abusing the children in attendance, and the company directors covered it up, the company would be immediately closed and jail sentences handed out.

    But when priests sexually abuse and rape children, or throw their corpses into septic tanks, Ireland turns a blind eye.



  • Options
    #45
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331873#Comment_120331873

    Yes it's sick and disgusting.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Options
    #46
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,430 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331698#Comment_120331698

    Quite like the diversity. We need a massive influx just to fill the job vacancies anyway.



  • Options
    #47
    Hodger
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭Hodger


    As someone who went to a catholic primary school which was very strict I agree with the OP.

    I can remember the haircut inspections the principal walking in around the classroom looking at everyone,s hair if he thought someone,s hair was too long he would send them to get it cut or if he thought someone,s hair was too short he would send them home one time he sent home a lad for having a number 2 haircut and told him come back when it grows a bit.

    A young lads haircut or hairstyle has no relevance to his learning, thankfully the secondary school I went to never made an issue about anyone,s hair.

    I remember in 6th class there was a very one sided presentation about abortion and the right to life, but no mention of why a woman might seek an abortion or no mention nothing taught about cases such as when there is no chance of survival outside the womb, looking back on it now as an adult it comes as Indoctrination to give 6th classers a one sides presentation about such a subject.



  • Options
    #48
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,918 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120332688#Comment_120332688

    You do realise that there's absolutely nothing in Catholic doctrine about hair length? And most artistic representations of Jesus certainly don't show a short back and sides!

    You went to a school that was strict. Likely because lots of the pupils were from homes/families with little discipline, so the school had to go OTT so as not to lose control. Would have been the same no matter who the patron was.



  • Options
    #49
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users Posts: 12,602 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Great another catholic bashing thread!

    Let the fantastic woke government that we have build more schools if they want I'm sure Leo and Rodders can come up with a couple of spare billions to build them.

    But the reality is most parents want their kids to be educated in Catholic schools and long waiting lists to get in!



  • Options
    #50
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120327604#Comment_120327604

    Yeah, "just" send them to a school which either doesn't exist or is full already with kids who live nearer to it, you've clearly thought this through 🙄

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Options
    #51
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120333002#Comment_120333002

    Actually the most oversubscribed type of school is Educate Together.

    Most parents don't want religious education for their kids and there are surveys going back nearly 20 years showing this.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #52
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,430 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It really is very strange having a specific religious teaching as part of the curriculum. Not just teaching either, indoctrination.



  • Options
    #53
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What's even stranger is that we have thousands of state employees forced to be (or pretend to be) members of a specific religion to get and keep their job. Outside of a theocracy that's unusual to say the least.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Options
    #54
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Feisar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120335307#Comment_120335307

    The RCC is/was free to set up schools, we're free to do the same. I have thought this through. It's totally impractical however it is what it is.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Options
    #55
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You can't just set up a school. The Dept of Education won't fund a new school unless there's enough unmet demand in an area for places. Even then, they can just decide to extend the school(s) in the area already. Doesn't matter what "type" the existing or proposed schools are.

    It's mad how people keep on saying "just set up a school", as if that idea had never occurred to anyone else before, and that poster's fantastic brainwave was the vital piece of information which had everyone else stumped all along.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Options
    #56
    GNWoodd
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331873#Comment_120331873

    The difference between the two scenarios is that the story about the abusive crèche directors would last two days in the media whereas any issue about abusive members of the church will still be dragged out in a hundred years time .



  • Options
    #57
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,413 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120335315#Comment_120335315

    Recent surveys question this.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/many-parents-reluctant-to-change-patronage-of-school-survey-finds-1.4784523


    You have other source for surveys suggesting they dont ?

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Options
    #58
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Apples and oranges, that's asking parents of kids already enrolled in a school if they want to change its ethos. The RCC does its best to ensure FUD wins out, as in the infamous Malahide case a couple of years ago where not even one school out of the 8 in the area was divested in the end.

    "according to a national survey commissioned by Catholic education groups."

    Uhuh.

    But here's a survey from as far back as 2004. See Table 20 on page 35:

    http://www.erc.ie/documents/views_of_irish_public_on_education_2004_survey.pdf

    only 44.8% of parents agreed that denominational education should exist at all! (which doesn't mean that they'd choose it for their own kids.)

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Options
    #59
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331021#Comment_120331021

    Not a single bit surprised by that. He did nothing to stop the abuse. Zero.

    How people darken the doors of churches in Ireland is absolutely beyond me.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Options
    #60
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120333002#Comment_120333002

    I think you will find that the woke state already funds the building of most schools including catholic.

    Catholic schools do not have long waiting lists anymore but facts and a good rant do not make good bed fellows



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #61
    TooTired123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329682#Comment_120329682

    Cataholic.



Advertisement