Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876518#Comment_121876518

No. The Irish Freedom Party.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876183#Comment_121876183

The NWCI couldn't give a fiddler's about the opposite half of the population. Hence there silence on boys underperforming at school levels or being left behind in college places.

The have shown themselves to be just another NGO sucking on the government's tit to further their own agenda.

Furze99

Rod O'Gorman is surely in big trouble is he not?

Just a week ago according to the IT, he said “The clear legal advice we have received is that this change is not going to change the outcome of court cases taken on immigration issues.” I understood this at the time that the governments legal advice was that all was cochure with these wordings.

Now he's taken a scunder against the leaking of the AG's actual advice on the eve of the election. Advice that was far more nuanced and warning of problems.

If he misled the Irish people, surely he has to go.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876278#Comment_121876278

I'd say Roderick is fuming the bill wasn't passed before this referendum to help them get the correct message out there without those hateful facts getting in the way.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876549#Comment_121876549

Why would he be in big trouble? The legal advise in the AG's letter in immigration completely backs up what Roderic said.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876549#Comment_121876549

He is untouchable. A Green party minister cannot be pushed without taking down the whole government. Its not going to happen.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876540#Comment_121876540

I think we can safely ignore all 12 of those people as a complete nonentity.

H_Lime

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876550#Comment_121876550

And it is this very point the Irish voting public are pondering right now.

We would have to be absolutely off our fcuking heads to allow liars and fools such a gag to democracy to further their own aims.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876379#Comment_121876379

Handing over more sovereignty eh?

For the benefit of those making a stash from 'intellectual property rights' and patents.

I predict a stormy debate if that comes up.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876571#Comment_121876571

There's a lot cheering this piece of legislation because it's their "team" pushing it through. If history has thought us anything it's that these types of laws that "protect" people always end up a disaster.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876562#Comment_121876562

Watch the space - this one could run and run. There is no question but that what was leaked of the AGs advice put some serious questions about the wisdom of the wordings put to the people. Roddy had better hope this whole thing is buried very quickly.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876584#Comment_121876584

Hate speech legislation is fairly ubiquitous across Europe and last time I looked the sky was still up there.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876550#Comment_121876550

Did he state that the leaking of the AG's advice after the moratorium was malicious since it couldn't be discussed on his controlled outlet in RTE. Whilst there were no such controls on social media. In this case social media and sites like boards are a boon to democracy.

Edit - this was Mary Butler's wisdom.

seenitall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876179#Comment_121876179

Aaaaaah another day in Ireland, another opportunity for that immortal quote from Bertolt Brecht:

“Some party hack decreed that the people

had lost the government's confidence

and could only regain it with redoubled effort.

If that is the case, would it not be be simpler,

If the government simply dissolved the people

And elected another?”

😅

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876567#Comment_121876567

Hopefully the Green Party will be headed this way soon, a complete nonentity.

Dick phelan

A few things have at least been shown in this referendum.

1 The Irish people are smart enough to not go along with any wisheashy nonsense the government proposes.

2 SF are a fake opposition who have almost exactly the same agenda as the current government, claiming to have not been happy with the wording but still advocated a Yes. Clowns

3 The minister primarily in charge of this farce has an untenable position now, especially after attempting to subvert the referendum by keeping important information hidden from the public.

4 Regardless of political party we are governed by some real airheads, as numerous performances throughout the campaign have shown. Dare I say our Minister for Justice probably wouldn't have the brains to run a shop let alone a government department.

5 Our media is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the political establishment, All pushing a Yes and never doing any proper journalism to inform the people of the consequences of a Yes.

Very happy with yesterday but sad we are run by such incompetent out of touch people and that we will end up with almost the exact same after the next election.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876666#Comment_121876666

The SF rep from Cork on the News at One was gas. After being presented with statistics that showed mid 70s% No votes in SF supporters, within a minute he was blithely saying there was no evidence the party was out of touch with its roots!!!

How can you put any trust in political operatives like this? Even when the evidence that the sky is blue is full in their face, they insist that it's actually green. Talking out of both sides of the mouth, lying.

Dick phelan

If it backed him up why did he hide it from the Irish people? Even if it backed him up fully the issue is that he didn't think that the electorate should see it before voting. His position is untenable and if he had an ounce of integrity or honor he would quit tonight.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876647#Comment_121876647

The Greens are the little party that could.

Could piss off everyone outside Dublin for years and then start pissing off the people in Dublin with millions wasted on stupid cyclepath schemes that ruin entire communities to name but one of many bugbears people have in relation to them.

Their support should rightly be eviscerated in the local and general elections, they only exist as makeweights in government and in that space they only serve their own personal wants.

Every single Green Party minister has been an absolute disaster in a government that has delivered only bad news and disappointment since it's formation, the fact that they have such steadfast beliefs but maintain their willingness to form a government with literally anyone displays not only their own wishy washy nature but the utterly homogeneous and thoroughly self serving nature of the Irish political class.

Ryan and his band of spoofers in talks to form a government with their list of utterly asinine demands that have to be entertained just to get the ball over the line to form a government has become all too commonplace in Irish politics.

The thoughts of these shysters getting within an assess roar of government again should be enough to turn the stomach of any voter.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876545#Comment_121876545

The NWCI have been shown up as not representing most Irish women either. Which begs the question why they are getting some much govt, i.e. taxpayer funding.

Also, they've no respect for the election result. Blaming the "wording", "lack of leadership", "electoral confusion".

Basically, they'll keep pushing on with their agenda regardless:

"We also believe there was an element of the no vote today for which the wording did not go far enough and as the campaign evolved it was clear the public wanted more.

NWC will now continue to work with other civil society organisations to campaign energetically for public care services, for a public childcare model and better paid family leave, a universal Pension that would create pension justice for women in older age, guaranteed access to homecare supports and personal assistance for disabled people and the rights of people to live independently.”

https://www.nwci.ie/learn/article/national_womens_council_is_deeply_disappointed_by_no_vote_in_family_and_car

If they were some fringe group like the Irish Freedom Party you could just leave them to their delusions. but they are not, so a start would be defunding them.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874304#Comment_121874304

I hope your referring to their amendment to the constitution and not my post😁

hotmail.com

Orla O'Connor on the gravy train a long time now.

She seems remarkably rubbish at speaking in her job.

She couldn't run a bath properly.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874323#Comment_121874323

Find it funny that most people think fascists are only extreme right leaning element. The extreme left are as much a danger. Why not aim for centre and balance all the time. Where is the line drawn on either side of the divide. And stop this adopted americanised type politics.

Be liberal minded enough with deep think logic to consequence of gradual change for betterment of all.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876706#Comment_121876706

Malcolm Noonan seems to keep his head down and get on with the job - Minister State for Nature, Heritage and Electoral Reform. Mind you he'll have to do a lot of the latter to save their collective asses!

Ryan seems to do nothing as regards transport, Martin is utterly hopeless in tourism and Rod has angered a lot of ordinary people, across his whole brief. If he had an ounce of sense he'd have divested some aspects - seems to be power hungry chap.

Lewis_Benson

Will be the Lisbon treaty mk2.....

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876726#Comment_121876726

Pension 'justice', sweet mother of god. There's a pension timebomb coming and those clowns are worried about all the wrong things.

It's high time this and a lot of other supercilious NGOs were completely defunded of public funds and let them stand on their own feet.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876566#Comment_121876566

It is a risk I am prepared to take, he should be sacked pronto followed by Martin (at least the female one)

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876807#Comment_121876807

It's not a risk though, it would be a guarantee. Green ministers cannot be sacked. The only way to get rid of them is to call a general election and it is a bad time for the government to do that. Leo and Micheal have to back Rod 100%.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876706#Comment_121876706

What are they capable of if they did get another run. Holy **** it would be a disaster.

Dick phelan

The NGO gravy train is far too long in this country. We really should defund most of them.