Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867878#Comment_121867878

And you spelt refuted wrong earlier.

kabakuyu

Did my own exit poll, our household and 2 neighbouring homes, 9 votes in total 6-3 split in favour of NO NO.

theVersatile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867878#Comment_121867878

"As referenced above, it is foreseeable that the amended Article 41.1.1 will be relied upon in the context of immigration. However, in my view, it is unlikely that it will have any particularly significant effect in this area...  

... [T]he law in this area is already based on durable interpersonal relationships beyond marriage and any change to the Irish Constitution definition of the Family will therefore be of limited significance." 

No implications on immigration. Despite what Twitter/X would have you believe.

Annasopra

Turnout over 50% in many places

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867895#Comment_121867895

The AGs letter literally says that issues will be more heavily litigated in the area of immigration and surrogacy. But sure, what would they know.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867878#Comment_121867878

'the law in this area is already based on durable inter personal relationships beyond marriage and any change to the Irish Constitutional definition of the family will therefore by of limited significance.

In summary, the state can continue to define which family members may benefit from particular immigration schemes'

seems fairly easy to understand.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867960#Comment_121867960

You need to read the letter fully. Don't rely on twitter for your information.

techdiver

I don't necessarily buy into the thought process that those of us who have been on this site for 15 - 20 years and always held liberal views, have now somehow become conservative or right wing. I have still got the exact same broad societal views that I've always had.

What the "new left" present is a drift from normal liberal values into idealists lunacy. We haven't moved, their barometer of what is "liberal" has. Also a big problem they have is they don't argue in good faith. They throw tantrums and name call and brand people that don't 100% conform to their world view. Wonder who else historically did that?? 🤔

The laughable thing is they go after people that agree with 95% of what they do all because of the 5% difference. Instead of bringing people together it polarises the rift further. Ironically it's from the same hymn sheet as the MAGA crowd in America.

I also don't agree that voting against this ammendments today was "conservative" or "right wing". Many voted against as they disliked the wording (I would have voted yes to both of the wording was better and I know many others who feel the same). I have voted in favour of every liberal and progressive ammendment since I started voting. I reject anyone that says I'm conservative or right wing because I voted this down today.

letowski

Is there going to be an exit poll?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867994#Comment_121867994

No

And very few tallies nationally either so unlikely to hear anything until about 5pm

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867951#Comment_121867951

Read the doc in it's entirety. Page 2 second last paragraph of the letter and fill your boots. He literally says exactly what I said he said.

By the way, why did you assume I only read some twitter comments on it? What made you think I didn't read all 10 pages of the doc?

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867968#Comment_121867968

It is, thank you for worrying so much about my comprehension skills. Now, try reading the entire letter.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867982#Comment_121867982

I see you didn't anyway.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868061#Comment_121868061

I have read it. Seems easily understood

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868064#Comment_121868064

I did and in capable of understanding that more litigation only impacts courts resources, and not the law.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868078#Comment_121868078

And yet you completely missed the part where they mention it will be more heavily litigated in the area of immigration and surrogacy. Almost like you didn't want to believe what you read.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868108#Comment_121868108

Where do you think precedent's are set exactly? The legislature write the bills but the courts determine what they mean with respect to the constitution, hence the litigation part.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867991#Comment_121867991

The vast majority of people who were on boards 15-20 years ago have moved on long ago to Reddit, Discord or various forms of social media. It's always going to be the innately conservative who stay behind the longest, reluctance to change and no desire to move and integrate with new people. Look at any thread on climate change or Israel and it's blatantly obvious what the political views of the overwhelming majority are here.

Irish society has changed a lot in the past 20 years and what being progressive or liberal along with it. Calling your own personal outlook as "normal" while others are "idealist lunatics" just sounds like the kind of tantrums you mention.

You sound in denial that being conservative is somehow an insult or beneath you, if the glove fits wear it.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868164#Comment_121868164

all the tiktok nos must be Conservative too

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868135#Comment_121868135

You claimed the AG admitted the amendment would have an impact on immigration law. He clearly didn't say that, in fact he said the opposite, he said he felt it would be unlikely it would have a significant effect.

L.Ball

A higher turnout favours a yes vote.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868117#Comment_121868117

And you completely missed the way the letter is written.

He identifies possible issues, immigration being one, then continues to explore those issues, by examining the law (current EU law) and case law ( Pervaiz v minister for justice etc) , he then applies those laws and case laws and concludes that it

'is unlikely that it will have any particular significant affect in this area'

then stating this

'the law in this area is already based on durable inter personal relationships beyond marriage and any change to the Irish Constitutional definition of the family will therefore by of limited significance.

In summary, the state can continue to define which family members may benefit from particular immigration schemes'

1992ChainGang

Just back from working at a station in South Dublin, very busy at my table about 50% but less on others. Most people surprised there was 2 referendums, they thought the second ballot was a copy of the first.

Such a long days work, good fun though with the workers.

techdiver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868164#Comment_121868164

So your political affiliation is defined by which internet forum you frequent? That is quite the leap. You do know that boards is more than just politics.

Btw, I use both reddit and discord also. I must have missed the memo that I must stay in a specific lane. You see that is exactly what is part of the problem with modern discourse. Pigeon holing. Whatever happened to fluidity of views based on what you think is right or wrong. This polarisation and categorisation is exactly what is driving a wedge in this discourse.

Back to today. There is nothing conservative or right wing about calling bullshit on terrible wording in a constitutional ammendment. This is not like following a sports team where you pick an ideological side and stick to it.

JP Liz V1

Are we allowed celebrate Mother's Day if this passes

CoastalCork

Higher turnout is protest No vote

No passion on yes side its defo a resounding No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868164#Comment_121868164

The futher left you go, the more things appear to be on the right.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867991#Comment_121867991

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I have always been in the centre-right. I was a member of Fine Gael for nearly 30 years. I cancelled my membership a few years back because I don't recognise what that party has become.

I think back to what Leo Varadkar stood for when he became Taoiseach in 2017. His main message was that he would be the voice for middle Ireland, the people who got up for work every morning, the coping class in his own words. He seems to have tossed all those ideals away.

We should be working to improve the lives of ordinary people in a tangible way, instead we're stoking division with these pointless culture wars.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121868306#Comment_121868306

If it doesn't, zoos, playgrounds and soft play areas will be overrun as parents try to come up with ways of distracting their children from the bitter disappointment.

Isn't that right Helen?

kingtiger

is there any exit polls anywhere? cant seem to find anything