You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623175#Comment_120623175

Where's the whataboutery by the way?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623177#Comment_120623177

That quote was a reference to far-left activism, not Sinn Fein. I didn't mention Sinn Fein once.

What's alarming, and this has been going on for years now, is that far-left threats of violence are downplayed in ways that far-right threats of violence are not.

This is yet another example of same.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623184#Comment_120623184

Well no, you said,

Yet again the party of permanent compassion and tolerance express their true voice when confronted with opinions they happen to disagree with.

The far left are not a party, no more than the right wing are. Talk about generalisation! But on that mans twitter page, he is obviously a supporter of Sinn Fein, so it can be easy to assume that's who you are talking about. I'm satisfied to see you think that Sinn Fein don't fit the bill of being, "a party of permanent compassion and tolerance". Not all left wing parties are alike.

While we're here, no, Sean Fitz with his massive follower count of just over 500 shouldn't have posted that post that some people have taken as being a threat to the man. "You will need the Gardai if you run into me" is definitely implying something, and he shouldn't have said it.

I mean, will Billboard Chris apologise for his racism, in saying, "Eat your lucky charms and watch GB News"? He's obviously implying he's a leprechaun. "Eat your weetabix and watch GB News" doesn't have the same effect, does it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623198#Comment_120623198

It says quite a lot that in response to Billboard Chris receiving threats of violence for expressing a legitimate and reasonable opinion, you swerve to accuse the man of racism for using the phrase Lucky Charms. So that's threats of violence and now an accusation of racism.

By the way, you do realise that Carroll's Gift Shop, among many others, sell Lucky Charms? Please don't tell me you're next going to accuse Carroll's Gift Shop of "racism" too?

This is embarrassing.

Look, I said on a previous thread that the far-left will accuse anyone of racism on any basis whatsoever. But I never would have predicted that eating Lucky Charms was going to be one of them. You certainly got me there.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623230#Comment_120623230

😂😂😂

You're now being very funny, maybe it's unintentional, in that case, apologies.

After I said that SF chap shouldn't have said that, after you said no one from the left would condemn it, you go apoplectic when I mention that the American (I presume!) Billboard Chris (are any of these characters big enough to use their actual names by the way?) is being racist by telling an Irishman to eat lucky charms. Lucky charms is an American cereal that features a Leprechaun on the cover and is often used as a racist metaphor towards Irish people. NOT the bag of coins you pictured.

If he told a black person to eat fried chicken or watermelon, I suppose that wouldn't be racist either?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623259#Comment_120623259

I don't care about the hurt feelings of the man making the threats of physical violence.

If he is offended by cereal brands or chocolate, good - serves him right for making threats of violence against an innocent man.

I'm more concerned about far-left threats of violence, whereas you're more concerned whether the man making those threats is hurt because a cereal brand was mentioned in response to his threats.

That pretty much sums it up.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623230#Comment_120623230

Oh, a quick Google reveals this article from business insider.

https://www.businessinsider.com/racist-company-mascots-2011-9

and yep, luck from lucky charms is there.

This was published over then years ago, so if it was untrue, I'm sure the company that owns Lucky Charms would have sued for misrepresentation or something.

Now that we know an American telling an Irishman to eat his lucky charms is a wincy bit racist, will you do what I did and condemn it or at least say he shouldn't have tweeted that out?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623291#Comment_120623291

Your signature is getting more ironic by the day.

I already said he shouldn't have said that, whereas you say you don't care what Billboard Chris says.

Imagine how frustrated and deservedly annoyed you would be if I had said Seanie Fitz (or whatever low level activist name is) deserved to say Chris should have the Gardai around him if he met him, but Chris shouldn't have said eat your lucky charms to an Irish person? Because that is what you have done to me and you don't even realise it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623323#Comment_120623323

No, I don't believe it's racist to say to an Irish person to eat lucky charms, anymore than it would be racist to say to a French person to eat French onion soup. Now you may say that it's offensive language. Maybe it is, that's up to the person for themselves to decide. Offense is a choice. This was said to a man who made threats of physical violence, so I care not one iota if he is offended or not. You are taking offense on behalf of the man who made physical threats against an innocent man. I find that far more alarming.

You are just looking for any reason to smear the man, and hope that by discrediting him with the racist label that nobody will want to listen to anything else he has to say.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623337#Comment_120623337

Sorry, I just want to point out that saying, "You should have the gardai around you if we meet" is strictly by definition, categorically NOT a threat of physical violence. Please stop making things up. It could be construed that way, as I have said, but it is definitely NOT a threat of physical violence. If you really think it is, I'm sure you phoned the Gardai already to report a crime?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623360#Comment_120623360

You're disagreeing with yourself now.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623405#Comment_120623405

"You will need the Gardai if you run into me"is definitely IMPLYING SOMETHING, and he shouldn't have said it.

Do you even read what you highlight?

"You will need the Gardai if you run into me"is definitely IMPLYING SOMETHING, and he shouldn't have said it.

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a threat of physical violence.

There is lots of reasons why you might want a Garda present. Physical violence is ONE reason.

Will we go back to right wingers never ever being able to hold their hands up and say, "I got that wrong"? You have had ample opportunity to do so on this thread, and in the last day or so.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623175#Comment_120623175

Whataboutery is assigning a label to a party it never touted to begin with.

I'm familiar with "The Party of Law and Order" "The Party of Family Values" etc. but for the life of me, I cannot remember when the DNC ever touted itself as "The Party of Permanent Compassion and Tolerance."

If you can, I'll donate $20 to a charity of your choice. That might as well extend to Canada and Irelands parties too if you can find one who ever identified as such.

Burty330

This is how democrats solve their soaring crime levels, they decriminalise the offense the perps are committing. If there's no record of the crime then it never happened. Policies like this is why Neely avoided jail 44 times before running into the marine

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1659949847418380289

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624409#Comment_120624409

You're right I guess Daniel Penny should still be sitting in a jail cell for the next few months while he awaits his manslaughter trial.

Wouldn't want to be soft on crime now.

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624432#Comment_120624432

Bit weird you don't hold the walgreens security guard to the same standard despite his reaction to 'defence of self' being far more barbaric and brutal not to mention totally unwarranted

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624459#Comment_120624459

Already been over that with you I think:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613534#Comment_120613534

If you read it the first time I wouldn't need to copypasta myself.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624409#Comment_120624409

So they have soaring crime problems, and instead of using th same old, same old methods that have LED to soaring crime rates, they're trying something new.

Let's break it down and figure out where your issue is:

First time offenders given intervention programmes instead of prosecution.

That seems sensible to me. Most shoplifters start off in their teens. You won't solve it by 100% by giving intervention programmes, but you will find that the level should decrease, if the intervention is carried out well.

I assume this is what you meant by "if there's no record of the crime, then it didn't happen". You do understand that there will be a record of the intervention, otherwise how would they know it's their first offence?

De-escalation training for retail employees

Sounds like a good idea to me. I worked retail for a few years in a shop that was a big target for shoplifters (HMV). One way we were trained in our job was to spot shoplifters and if a suspected shoplifter came into the shop, start reorganising wherever they're browsing. This was a simple de-escalation policy.

Establishing neighbourhood retail watch groups to share theft info in real time with one another and NYPD

They do this in most busy shopping districts. Security on Henry St in Dublin all share a channel on their radio so they can deter shoplifters.

Install kiosks in stores to connect would be thieves with social services

This is pretty out there in my opinion, and I have no idea how it's going to work. I'm going to assume there'll be a phone to connect people to social services, which is good as a lot of shoplifting (for things like baby formula) is done out of desperation, rather than the thrill of shoplifting CD's. I can't see stores wanting to offer up space for this though as some of the phone calls they receive will be pretty desperate, with people wailing, crying etc. If they could just set up easier ways to connect people to social services, and fund it properly, that would be better.

So. To recap, the crime will be recorded, but they'll be put on an intervention programme instead of sending them to jail. Your statement, "If there's no record of the crime, then it never happened" is false.

Overheal

Definitions haunt them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBOWIiCcR-o

BruteStock

Corporate medias way of delegitimizing alternative and independent media. Nobody gets to decide they are the arbiter of truth. Those who do are attempting to censor. Never have those who abridged the speech of others been on the right side of history.

https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1660615147033964545

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629357#Comment_120629357

Actually, I have no time for Andrew Bridgen.

Like Dr John Campbell, he seeks a way to monetize conspiracy theories about medicine and politics.

Neil Oliver is trying the same tactic - to prey on the deluded to rake in the cash.

All three are suspect, all three must be avoided. They are no better than David Icke.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629371#Comment_120629371

The state controlled broadcaster assigning itself to police information is a brazen move after Biden's similar Ministry Of Truth was jettisoned due to backlash not too long ago.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629371#Comment_120629371

You disagree, so they are "suspect and must be avoided". You're using the exact same tactics as those who you spend your days arguing against; name calling and slander, without much substance.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120626039#Comment_120626039

One only has to look at the state of San Francisco to see where New York is heading. Stores falling over each other to close because the shoplifting is so bad. In California if you steal less than $950 worth of goods you aren't prosecuted and the results are there for all to see.

People can't flee the state fast enough.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629751#Comment_120629751

There's many, many, many reasons why SF is becoming a sh*thole. One of them is displacement of locals for tech workers. Ordinary people are being completely priced out of everything over in Cali and their homeless population is rocketing, meanwhile the middle class have been deserting the city as well

They're different states, different laws. It's like comparing crime rates in Dublin compared to Rome.

But looking at prop 47, which led to shoplifting less than $950 being downgraded to a misdemeanor (still a recorded crime) as opposed a felony offence. The difference I'm seeing with NY and SF is that NY are proposing intervention programmes instead of prosecution. I cant see how that compares to SF, where they can be arrested and jailed for 6 months or fined $1000. I don't see any intervention programmes in SF.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629483#Comment_120629483

Dr John Campbell, Andrew Bridgen, and Neil Oliver are grifters.

They don't believe a word they're saying, but they're raking in the cash off the back of conspiracy-style theories. I can go into this in far more detail and back it up with evidence, and it's up to each individual to choose whether to fall prey to the grifter.

But anyone can see that this is what they're doing, whilst at the same time trying to come across as modest and open-minded.

Grifting is part and parcel of both the left and the right.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630968#Comment_120630968

Why do you think Neil Oliver is a leftie?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630978#Comment_120630978

He isn't, as far as I'm aware.

But I was making a much broader point there about grifters in general when it comes to politics and science.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630987#Comment_120630987

Can you name some leftie grifters? There seems to be an abundance of choice over on the other side.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631000#Comment_120631000

Owen Jones and Russell Brand, most notably.

The entire BLM organization is one massive grift.