Considering renting for 6-8 months while working abroad, Ukrainian refugees easiest option?

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475808#Comment_120475808

“While rent will not be payable to those who offer properties, a tax-free recognition payment of €800 per month will be available from the Department of Social Protection to those who offer accommodation to people from Ukraine. This payment rate applies from 1st December 2022.”

”Offers will not result in rental arrangements, and rent will not be paid.”

Please read the link:

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/bdba1-local-authorities-launch-appeal-for-unoccupied-properties-to-house-people-fleeing-the-war-in-ukraine/

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475713#Comment_120475713

I am not moderating the thread, @L1011 is, and he/she has already instructed posters who have posted the same incorrect viewpoints as you to go and look up the meaning of a licensee before posting.

A tenancy exists when a tenant has exclusive possession, a license does not have exclusive possession. The temporary scheme housing Ukrainians does not grant exclusive possession, no rent is paid, no formal arrangement nor tenancy exists. All this information is clearly, unambiguously explained in the gov.ie link posted earlier, which you obviously have not bothered reading.

In relation to your last sentence, in your world you may think someone can walk into your house today, lock you out, and they then have possession of your house. In reality, that is just plain wrong. Licensees have the same occupancy rights as the person who is in your house in that analogy. .

DFB-D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475907#Comment_120475907

In your world, squatters don't exist then?

Presuming you mean residence instead of "your house", we are not talking providing the accommodation in your own residence, we are talking about providing rental properties where you do not reside for the scheme.

I have already explained a licence is just permission, you cannot assume any licence to occupy or otherwise is similar to the basis you stay in a hotel and that you can remove those in possession of your property by force when you terminate the licence. The gardai will not assist you either without a court order.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476055#Comment_120476055

They are not rental properties, no rent is being paid.

No, I mean your house, any house you own, you think a person can walk into it, lock you out, and they suddenly gain possession of it? No, they really can’t.

At last, a breakthrough, a license is indeed just permission to occupy the property, be it a room, a house, a B&B, a hotel room. That permission is indeed the same as occupying a hotel room, as the example on the RTB page related to licence clearly states. When that permission is revoked, the licensee has to leave.

I have posted a link to the relevant law relating to reasonable force, again, it is clearly stated that reasonable force can be used to remove a trespasser from your property, and your statement about the Gardai cuts both ways, the Gardai will not help the licensee if they are removed with reasonable force, as they are trespassing and the owner is acting lawfully.

Now please don’t come back and say “what if the Ukrainian refuses to leave when reasonable force is not enough” or I’m going to think you have some reason to think Ukrainians are going to cause more hassle than their Irish licensee counterparts, you would want to have something to back up that statement if you do.

DFB-D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476107#Comment_120476107

Well there you go, that is the root cause of your issue.

You seem to be unable to distinguish between different uses of property, possession of property, and have no idea that squatting is an potential issue on any property. Denying this is just silly to be honest....court cases usually end up being local news so just about everyone on this forum who reads the news will have some recollection of a case.

You missed this part in the use of reasonable force:

"(8) Property shall be treated for the purposes of subsection (1) (c) and (d) as belonging to any person—

(a) having the custody or control of it;"

So ergo, the person inside the house can use reasonable force to keep you out, not the other way around....but these assertions are better made by experts rather than you, who thrice has posted links without understanding what you were linking to.

You really drag every thread down to stupidity. Twice you have alleged some bias against Ukrainians. There is no distinction of nationality here. This is managing your property and considering the risks of giving permission to use your property to anyone.

arctictree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475901#Comment_120475901

I love the grammatical gymnastics employed by the department. So its not rent but it is money received for exclusive use of your property. How the hell would this survive legal scrutiny?! And what the hell is a 'tax-free recognition oayment'? Again - is that a legal term?!

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476556#Comment_120476556

Pointing out the law applicable isn’t stupidity, you continuing to argue an absurdity is questionable though.

DFB-D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476574#Comment_120476574

Pointing out law you don't fully understand is stupidity.

dumb_parade

I think what we are seeing is a considerable sentiment from property owners, that the only way they will provide keys to a property they own to some one else is after the legal ownership has been transferred first. This may be considered irrational or a disproportionate approach, but it’s based on the risk/reward dynamic in these transactions now.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476677#Comment_120476677

Don’t be a silly billy, Ukrainians housed under the scheme neither have custody nor control of the property, they are licensees.

L1011

This thread is going nowhere.