Trans Woman School shooting TN

looksee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424867#Comment_120424867

Again.

You do realise that that (what the WH said) is not true; the WH comment was in relation to today being Transgender Day of Visibility and not specifically relating to the shooting, which had been covered at length earlier in the week. And secondly, having a tragic event being blamed on the whole of a specific community would suggest they do need support, whatever about the individual who did it.

If a person with red hair shot up a school and the media came out shouting that red haired people were dangerous and evil and mentally sick, would you not agree it was unreasonable? Especially if you had red hair.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424926#Comment_120424926

The red hair analogy is preposterous because no media outlets are blaming the trans community let alone shouting that they are dangerous , evil and mentally sick.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424982#Comment_120424982

Huh?

White Supremacist mouth piece Tucker Carlson.

He concluded the segment with a warning for Americans about the dangers of the so-called trans movement: “Yesterday’s massacre did not happen because of lax gun laws. Yesterday’s massacre happened because of a deranged and demonic ideology that is infecting this country

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422918#Comment_120422918

I think the more appropriate question is WHY do people find these absolute cretins.

looksee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424982#Comment_120424982

Yes, sorry I did say that, I was thinking more in terms of loudmouths on social media but it came over as news media.

Deja Boo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424982#Comment_120424982

The red hair analogy is not preposterous imo. For instance, the news media makes a point of repeatedly shouting that mass shooters are loners. Introversion is not inherently dangerous, but is often mis-labeled as such.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424982#Comment_120424982

Your ignorance of circumstances notwithstanding, yes, yes there are media outlets blaming the trans community.

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-trans-movement-natural-enemy-christianity-1791016

https://abc7ny.com/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-transgender-shooter/13037124/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-shooting-fuels-the-rights-engine-of-anti-trans-hate

And apropos to that, it's the Blue Hair analogy, not red hair. They've made a trans/ally stereotype out of 'blue haired liberals' don't you know.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426099#Comment_120426099

Your attempt to gaslight me into giving you attention has worked this time. ill just say that Tucker doesn't account for all media , he is in fact largely outnumbered , so to say the media is calling the trans community dangerous and evil is false. You can blame Tucker , but not the media.

Furthermore , Tucker took aim at the ideology , not the community. There's a big difference respecting individuals and an ideology that is is becoming increasingly intolerant and violent. Look at your Daily Beast article there at the bottom and how it activates culture warriors like yourself to run defence for a killer and show zero remorse for the victims.

Radical transgender activists have become increasingly militant and are spreading dangerous conspiracy theories online such as the supposed "transgender genocide" (which of couse is patently nonsense). It is very likely that these conspiracy theories played a role in the Nashville shooters radicalization and motivation.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426399#Comment_120426399

Radical transgender activists have become increasingly militant and are spreading dangerous conspiracy theories online you say… and it’s very likely these conspiracy theories played a role in the Nashville shooter’s radicalisation (I’m not American) and motivation?

You wouldn’t do that though, would you? You just spread the silly conspiracy theories instead, definitely not militant about it either 🤔

charlie_says

Funny the way the, rare non gang related, mass shooters rarely attack banks, airports, military/law enforcement facilities. Wonder why?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426360#Comment_120426360

Tucker has one of the highest rated shows in News media. He certainly is “the media” and the Trans Movement == the Trans Community

Deflection to the shooter now, poor effort.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426692#Comment_120426692

What the hell are you talking about the fact that the shooter was in and out of mental care is a big part of this story, brought to us by the Chief of police very early on.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426640#Comment_120426640

Id say it would expensive for schools to be protected to the same extent of banks and airports. i guess it would just be like tax for everyone to be able to have guns.

Jarhead_Tendler

I'd agree with you for once boggles

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426360#Comment_120426360

no media outlets

Put those goalpost back.

PaoloGotti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426399#Comment_120426399

I listened to the podcast “the witch trials of JK Rowling” and was shocked at how much she was accused of inciting violence against trans people and responsible for their murder.

It is such an unjustified low blow; anyone that speaks in anyway slightly against trans ideology (aka “transphobic” in their world) is as evil as a serial killer.

Overheal

staff and teachers had guns at the school.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/30/nashville-shooting-latest-news-audrey-hale-covenant-school-updates/70053945007/

Good guys with guns myth again flops.

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429635#Comment_120429635

And the crazy thing is that she has never once made a transphobic comment.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120431655#Comment_120431655

Could have fooled me and others, incl. the actors she worked with.

She even self consciously admits it can be interpreted as hate speech. And it is a rather 'phobic' comment - see "the lived reality of women is globally erased" by a minority of persons who don't view the world in terms of sex (how dare they honestly)

https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy

Forget about Rowling. Look to Daniel Radcliffe,

"We listen to so many people talk about trans youth and hear them talked about so often in the news, but very rarely do we actually hear from these youth directly," the actor said in a statement about the episode. "It was an absolute privilege to get to meet and listen to this incredible group of young people. At the end of the day, if you're going to talk about trans kids, it might be useful to actually listen to trans kids."

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120431655#Comment_120431655

People who have accepted the gnostic spiritual proposition that gender 1: exists, 2: is innate, and 3: trumps sex in all ways, believe that anyone who doesn't believe that it is possible to have a gendered soul that may or may not match the specific gendered expectations or stereotypes of their exact current time and place in world history, and that this should have an impact on how others treat and talk to them, is a transphobe.

You cannot reason people out of this position, because they did not reason their way into it. Rowling's crime is blasphemy.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120431345#Comment_120431345

The article doesn't say that.

It was unclear if those staff members were at the school at the time of the shooting.

And even if they were, they may have been protecting the kids in their classroom. In any case, it certainly didn't make matters worse.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120431952#Comment_120431952

You cannot reason people out of this position, because they did not reason their way into it. 

Ohh I think they did, through actual scientific research, as opposed to… well, whatever an author of children’s fiction says goes 😒

The medical consensus in the late 20th century was that transgender and gender incongruent individuals suffered a mental health disorder termed “gender identity disorder.” Gender identity was considered malleable and subject to external influences. Today, however, this attitude is no longer considered valid. Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable biological element underlying gender identity. Individuals may make choices due to other factors in their lives, but there do not seem to be external forces that genuinely cause individuals to change gender identity.

Although the specific mechanisms guiding the biological underpinnings of gender identity are not entirely understood, there is evolving consensus that being transgender is not a mental health disorder. Such evidence stems from scientific studies suggesting that: 1) attempts to change gender identity in intersex patients to match external genitalia or chromosomes are typically unsuccessful; 2) identical twins (who share the exact same genetic background) are more likely to both experience transgender identity as compared to fraternal (non-identical) twins3; 3) among individuals with female chromosomes (XX), rates of male gender identity are higher for those exposed to higher levels of androgens in utero relative to those without such exposure, and male (XY)-chromosome individuals with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome typically have female gender identity; and 4) there are associations of certain brain scan or staining patterns with gender identity rather than external genitalia or chromosomes.

https://www.endocrine.org/advocacy/position-statements/transgender-health

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120431345#Comment_120431345

It says that one or possibly two members of staff were carrying firearms.

It is likely that these members of staff were trained to barricade themselves and students inside a room and use their firearm to defend their barricade. Rather than run around rambo-style looking for the shooter.

As tragic as the loss of life was, the fact that a shooter with multiple guns and 100+ rounds of ammunition could only kill 3 children in a 600 student school is testament to the staff response & training, including the "good guys with guns". Video of the shooting shows the shooter seemingly unable to find victims.

Only a scumbag would denigrate the actions of the heroic staff to score points in an internet discussion.

looksee

So, at the suggestion of a problem, the one or possibly two staff members with guns dive into the nearest classroom (or is already in a classroom) and barricades it, and the rest of the school takes their chances? There is a big hole in that argument. There is no suggestion in any of the reports so far that these armed staff played any part in resolving the situation at the last school shooting.

The logical conclusion from the various arguments put forward is that

all teachers should be armed at all times,

all schools should have police on duty at all times (Really? Half trained, armed people permanently hanging around a school, out of their minds with boredom, the dossers and semi-rejects angling for the posting, the local budget strained to breaking point to find all these officers),

schools should be locked and secure at all times.

All this is apparently preferable to actually dealing with the problem, which admittedly is completely out of control and could not be dealt with in the current political climate.

It seems there is no point worrying about the US's children at this stage, since a very large proportion of the American people do not, but really, should children even have to be aware of guns, aware of threat while they are in school, familiar with the concept of hiding from shooters?

More worrying to the rest of the world is that this attitude to gun violence and the drama and notoriety resulting from shooting up a school will leak into other countries where the situation has been largely dealt with. It should not even be in the public awareness that shooting in a school could be a possibility, much less having to work out how to deal with it on a day to day basis.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424926#Comment_120424926

Look, to be clear there is no excuse you can offer where any sensible person will think it's okay for a trans shooter to murder three nine years olds and the White House to say how their hearts are with the trans community at this time when they are under attack. There is no excuse for it.

As for your example - if a person wearing a MAGA hat short up a school, the media would be frothing at the mouth and would be blaming it on entire groups of people.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120434352#Comment_120434352

So you think it would be wrong for the media to go after all MAGA supporters if one of their group shoots up a school at the same time as going after the Trans community for one of their own doing the same? Even the stats you provided for shootings by Trans people are ludicrously low, a drop in the feckin ocean of all the shootings perpetuated in the US.

PaoloGotti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120431671#Comment_120431671

Sorry, I don’t see anything remotely hateful about her statement of facts.

BruteStock

You just need to open your eyes to see trans activists are harassing and attacking people left and right. The ideology is at war with feminism but the media won't tell you that. Lgb with the T , let women speak among others re hashtags constantly trending on twitter. To say the trans community is under attack right now isn't even accurate.

Imagine the hispanic community calling it a tragedy the Ulvade shooter lost his life. Well look bellow. Honouring Hale as one of the victims. Sick!

https://twitter.com/mstlypcflwizard/status/1641782234779897857

https://twitter.com/JimLHorn1/status/1642441597047701504

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120434547#Comment_120434547

This is what passes for debate these days.

It boils down to: "some people who have some views that align with my opponent engage in something some may consider questionable, therefore everything my opponent says is wrong"

it was similar on Russia "there is corruption in Ukraine therefore they are as bad as each other", and "but Iraq"