UK Criminal gets 42 Years for Murder

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Peregrinus

The general rule is that, in a criminal trial, the defendant should be present in court — so that things don't happen that he doesn't know about, so he can instruct his counsel in relation to issues that arise in the proceedings, etc. And — as long as his presence isn't going to result in disruption to the proceedings — he has a right to be present, if he wants to be. But if he wants not to be present, and the prosecution and the judge are happy about that as well as the defence, the trial can proceed without him.

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058290956/uk-criminal-gets-42-years-for-murder

Lets see how long he spends in actual prison. Sentences these days in Ireland and Uk are not worth much

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442157#Comment_120442157

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120439678#Comment_120439678

How do you square these two opinions? If there is no obligation on a defendant to appear how can the judge compel them to appear?

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120436409#Comment_120436409

But there’s no minimum sentencing here. Here you get sentenced to life for murder but as long as you’re of good behaviour you will be considered for parole after around 8 years.

This guy won’t be allowed to ask to be released for 42 years. Message? Don’t run around residential streets and into the front door of a residential home firing your gun, most of all, if you see a child in front of you, don’t shoot her dead.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444877#Comment_120444877

False.

It's in black and white in our statute books, nobody handed a mandatory life is considered for parole before 12 years. And very, very few if any are paroled at that stage.

For Forks Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444877#Comment_120444877

A mandatory sentence is one which must be imposed regardless of any other circumstances. In Ireland, murder carries a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment. A life sentence lasts for life. However, as is the case in a number of countries, not all of the life sentence in Ireland is generally served in prison custody.

The Minister for Justice always considers the advice and recommendations of the Parole Board. From 30 July 2021, the time which must be served by a life-sentence prisoner before being considered for parole by the Board is 12 years

BagofWeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120438940#Comment_120438940

I was making claims about what ? He is correct there are people who have/are serving Life Sentences over 45 yrs. If you read the post properly that I replied to you would see he never used any average ! You are mentioning average the other poster never said it, didn't use the word it all. Big claims, lol. I typed like 6 words.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444833#Comment_120444833

Judges have very wide powers to control their own courts, and a judge can decide that a defendant not merely should but must be present. He does have to be present when first charged/arraigned, because the charge has to be put to him in person, but in modern conditions that usually happens well before any trial and, often, not in court proceedings.

(Though they are a bit more old-fashioned in the US. Trump had to be present for his arraignment yesterday and, if he had turned up at the courthouse but then refused to go into the courtroom for the proceedings, I think he would have been brought in against his will and by force if necessary.)

L.Ball

The issue isn't that murderers are getting light sentences, murder isn't that common in this country and is not an indicator or society's level of safety or cohesion, instead it's the death by a thousand cuts from "lesser" crimes like assault, muggings, and burglaries. In case you're wondering the gangs flying up and down the country breaking and entering people's houses, often violently, didn't just retire to Spain or wherever, they're still doing it, they're still using cars far faster than what the Gardai have on the road, and besides that one time they crashed into a truck and died in flames (hope it took a while for them to burn alive), they're not being caught. Neither are the gangs of youths in the city centre, in swords, malahide etc. who are snatching or assaulting people on a daily basis.

But these are "lesser" crimes so in the rare occasion they are caught they light or no sentences, but yeah sit down with a person who was burgled, who's security and privacy of their home was forever shattered, or someone who got pulled of their bike in town, or got cracked across the head and their phone snatched, or just got a dig in the face for the fun of it, and who is now terrified of commuting to and from work and is a prisoner in their own home, that all this talk of law and order breaking down is blown out of proportion and scaremongering because murderers get long sentences.