An end to free parking?

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120625369#Comment_120625369

Person with a knee problem should probably cycle to build up muscles on the leg to alleviate knee problem.

Injury risk? You're at greater risk in your car.

This is an astoundingly dumb take.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630041#Comment_120630041

I posted earlier...

You are wasting your time trying to reason with those who are not interested in the hearing the reality of what is normal day to day life for most normal people.

They expect everyone to prioritise, and if necessary, totally re-organise their lives around public transport links - not their children, or any other family commitments, or anything else they may have going on in their lives. Their personal time is treated as worthless. Who cares if they spend and hour and a half on a bus, as long as they're not in a car?

Sell your house and move, if you have to - though if I lived by that stupidity, I would have moved at least four times in the last 12 years. Unlike someone who chooses to change job, we civil servants often have no say in the location where we are assigned to work, and this can change at very short notice.

That is why the mobility scheme is so popular and civil servants applying daily to get moved out of offices in the city centre. That, in combination with WFH a couple of days a week, may have more to do with falling numbers, than credit is being given for.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631216#Comment_120631216

Plenty of people I know have opted to get an eBike to help with knee issue, much less stress on the joints. And would be nice if employers fitted charging points/plugs for the bikes too..

Much more likely to have stronger knees if you push on crank pedals instead of the clutch in a car...

Flinty997

So the logic being...

(in that report) the 117k people not using a car vs (57k) who do. Don't change jobs, move location, have kids or other family commitments.

Flinty997

Those with a lot of experience of different modes of transport, are very likely mostly better informed of what works and what doesn't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631238#Comment_120631238

They expect everyone

Nope, only those for who using the car is not really necessary

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631276#Comment_120631276

Or having no clutch...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631322#Comment_120631322

Well, what is obvious is most here will never be able to agree on what is "necessary".

I commuted by public transport for over 20 years, until life and work location changes meant it no longer worked for me.

What is "necessary" is not for anyone else here to decide.

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...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630642#Comment_120630642

Without a viable and reliable alternative, the demand management strategy is nothing but a stick to beat the motorist with. This was pointed out over and over, but completely disregarded and even mocked by those in favour of the measure. Then the anti-car brigade started off about bicycles and all the great benefits. Great for the people it works for, but it's not practical for everyone.

Flinty in particular has been a real gem. Smug as Leo, but not as bright. He suggested people should move if they don't live beside a good PT route to their place of employment. He forgets that people have responsibilities and lives to live outside of what works for PT and he isn't the only one.

I have said already I live in an area with lots of PT nearby. A main route is directly behind my house. Every morning I see 1 or 2 buses pass by and the are almost completely full by the 3rd or 4th stop on the route. I often see people left behind, waiting for the next one and this is at 7am. It is useless to me for commuting to work. It would only work if I wanted to go to DCC off-peak, alone. It would still be more expensive than a bus for me....and slower. So, where is the carrot to use it? I'm only seeing the stick.

I really couldn't care about bicycle parking. I was pointing out that they too come with issues and take up space too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631359#Comment_120631359

What is "necessary" is not for anyone else here to decide.

That decision will be made by the individual traveler

For example, if I live 2km from work, have a clear run, no traffic, free parking, then the car is the most convenient choice

If on the other hand, I live 2km from work, have to pay for parking, and am on a highly congested route that has a bus lane and a service that goes right past my door which means the bus is twice as fast as the car, then the car starts to not look like the most convenient choice anymore

Same again but swap for protected bike lanes and protected junctions, then the journey by bike will be even fast than the bus

and so on

We already know that over 50% of commuting car journeys are under 2km in length. Get even 30% of those to shift modes and suddenly you've opened up a huge amount of additional capacity and congestion decreases for those who don't have the option of those other modes e.g. someone commuting 20km with no bus, bike or P&R options.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630041#Comment_120630041

100%

I've said it thousands of times already, Even including the Luas. Dublin hasn't had new dedicated/segregated light rail built since the tans were in charge. The Green line uses the Old Harcourt line and outside of that intersects heavily with traffic and the red line uses canal land and intersects very heavily with roads.

It's all so light touch, a "that'll do attitude". It's not like there's a shortage of money. I think there's a shortage of knowledge and political will. Like the last thing FF want is to commission a project that completes when some other political party are in charge. (And that modus operandi is not at all limited to public transport)

Dublin is like this because it has no real competition from any other city within the country, so why bother?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631680#Comment_120631680

We already know that over 50% of commuting car journeys are under 2km in length.

Over 50% of commuting car journeys are under 2km? I highly doubt that in Dublin City.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629629#Comment_120629629

There are no adequate modes to switch to that’s the problem.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631711#Comment_120631711

Nah I honestly think it’s down to the planning process.

Look at what happened to the original proposal of joining metro north with the green line- kicked to touch because a few well healed individuals didn’t want the disruption in their area!

It’s nuts- just get on and build the bloody things and cpo where has to be cpo’ed but be fair with compensation.

We should not have endless rounds of going to the people and asking their opinion because people don’t want change.

If only we realised change is actually better than what we currently have.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632176#Comment_120632176

There's a common theme on this thread, and of some drivers in general of wanting to dictate the environment of others. An environment they aren't willing to live in themselves.

horse7

OPW will have no problems with cars parking on the grass when Bloom is on. It's a cash cow.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632235#Comment_120632235

Not sure is that a dig at what I said?

We need infrastructure built in dublin and the rest of the country.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632916#Comment_120632916

Bloom is a great day out and it is good that the OPW can host it in the Park.

They have good transport options including cycling, public transport and shuttles.

https://www.bordbiabloom.com/plan-your-day/how-to-get-here/

magicbastarder

Bloom is a great day out

it's not. it's overpriced, overcommercialised, and the plant sellers seem to have abandoned it in droves last year.

ten years ago, the main marquee was full of specialist nursery stalls, such as fern specialists, orchid specialists, etc. last year there wasn't a single horticultural stand in there. the biggest stand was an eir stand. as horse7 pointed out, it's a cash cow.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633110#Comment_120633110

Might not suit you but a lot of people like to attend and its an ideal venue.

https://www.bordbiabloom.com/bloom-in-numbers/

Flinty997

His point (I assume) is the opw have double standards.

They want cars out of the park on the one hand while inviting them in on the other. They say it's for other people to enjoy the park while denying the facilities to do so.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633197#Comment_120633197

It's a special event that needs an element of parking.

If you put it outside the city it would generate even more car journeys.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633005#Comment_120633005

People object because the infrastructure is poorly planned. They'll be left dealing with all the problems with inappropriate development. Can't just play pin the tail on the donkey and not expect to be called out for it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633146#Comment_120633146

https://www.bordbiabloom.com/plan-your-day/how-to-get-here/

Seems very well organised. Maybe I'll go this year.

Larbre34

And it's a valid point.

The OPW's past history of dealing with transport, accessibility and parking issues in and to the Phoenix Park looks like a sub-contracted job to a joint venture of The Marx Brothers and the Three Stooges.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633222#Comment_120633222

It's beside a bunch of train stations, two different train lives, luas and buses. You still want to drive to it.

Not only that but the opw is happy to accommodate the traffic and parking it generates, not only in the park but for the locals. The OPW is happy to cause that disruption for miles around it..

But they won't facilitate enough parking and facilities for those same locals normally.

For all that money it generates there isn't a pedestrian crossing on the main Ave and the walking and cycling paths were abysmal for decades.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633281#Comment_120633281

I never said I wanted to drive to it.

I think it's a well run event in the ideal location.

The organisers and the OPW obviously think car parking is necessary.

There was a post here on Saturday which I noticed was removed, so I assume someone must have complained about it.

The poster asked if those who complained about cars parked on grass in the phoenix park for a few days a year for Bloom, complained as loudly when BusConnects planned CPO'ing front gardens and removing hundreds of mature trees across both Dublin and Cork, to make way for more bus and cycle lanes.

I thought it was a fair comment, myself.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633223#Comment_120633223

What poor planning on any of the major transport infrastructure are you talking about?