Ron DeSantis is "Corrupt as Hell" -- because "Why Not"

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656179#Comment_120656179

Some of the population, their elected representatives and their supporters also seem quite keen on child marriage for some reason as the links to their rants on here have shown.

Also some seem quite keen on homosexuality being made illegal again, but a good few their supporters are happy enough to murder homosexuals so they can be delivered to hell faster

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656060#Comment_120656060

It would really help if Republicans stopped doing evil things, like banning books, minimising gay people’s rights, taking away women’s rights, demonising trans people, trying to steal elections, trying to curtail voter rights, especially in black and working class neighbourhoods under the pretence of voter fraud, (considering the minuscule amount of voter fraud found, the majority were republicans) or talking about how important family is when they’re led by an adulterer who had an affair with a porn star, not to mention a court seeing him as a sexual assaulter. They could also stop being hypocritical when they describe themselves as the law and order party, unless the court rules against them, then the court is wrong.

That would be a start.

I don’t see Democrats as “good guys” either, btw. They could stop interfering with other countries and going to war with them and focus on their own problems instead. But they are definitely the lesser of two evils.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656060#Comment_120656060

Sure, show us how many posts you have defending or praising Democrats.

Show us the posts where you defend a Democrat or a non-Republican against a Republican?

You maintain this transparent pretence you're not here defending Republicans, when your post history is definitive proof otherwise. So if you think viewing the world in such terms is a 'childish attitide', well your post history means you just convicted yourself.

You want to talk childish attitudes? How about Republican in chief Trump trolling his Republican opponents, and his Republican base lapping it up?

And he is not the only one, see Republican Loomer trolling the wife of DeSantis.

And DeSantis himself, in targeting those who within their constitutional rights stand up to him such as Disney, which leads to a personal vendetta against Disney which is not in the economic interests of the state.

Yes it is the politics of children. Petulant childish bullies - Trump and DeSantis and what they've done to the Republican party.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656203#Comment_120656203

What wars did the democrats start in the last 30 years?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656672#Comment_120656672

We're seeing the same phenomenon play out with DeSantis.

His policies aren't even relevant. First and foremost the question becomes, "Is DeSantis a Republican or a Democrat?" - and from there once established it's the former, then all possible interpretations of the man and his policies are coloured through a wholly negative lens. There can be no good policy from DeSantis, because he's "one of the bad guys". He picked the wrong team. It almost has an ex cathedra quality to it.

This good / bad simplistic approach means that any nuance about the discussion of DeSantis goes out the window. It just comes excuse after excuse to attack the man. And nobody daren't admit any good policies he may put forward, for fear of losing face.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656709#Comment_120656709

Forget the last 30 years - Try EVER.

Look back at every single conflict instigated by the US and on each and every occasion a Republican was in Office yet it is the Democrats that are called "War Mongers"

Just like every time a Republican is in office the Federal Budget & Deficit gets trashed and a Democrat has to fix it , yet Republicans have convinced themselves that they are the party of "Fiscal responsibility".

They live in an alternative reality where up is down.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656775#Comment_120656775

You were the one defending him not having a full manifesto. He’s going for the highest office in the land, without putting the work in of actually explaining what he proposes to achieve in his time as President. It’s mad to announce a run with your only policy being, “I’ll stop the woke mob”.

What policies can we discuss when all he talks about is culture war bollocks?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656709#Comment_120656709

Why the arbitrary 30 year scale?

I never mentioned a time scale.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656775#Comment_120656775

What on Earth are you on about.

You went down a rabbit hole of Democrats v Republicans as you were trying to maintain the paper thin pretence you're not here defending Republicans.

When challenged, you were unable to find a single post where you defended a non-Republican against a Republican.

If all you are interested in are 'good policies', where are your posts giving credit where credit is due to Biden, or defending any of his policies?

So that pretence is completely gone now.

It is Republicans attacking DeSantis in this manner. Some of those are Republicans (or their allies) you have repeatedly defended elsewhere on this forum.

So yeah, the phenomenon is the conduct of the Republican party, with personal attacks, mud slinging and feuds not policy based discussions. This is how they act to other Republicans. This is how they act in general elections.

Conduct DeSantis is not immune from carrying out as witnessed by the economic stupidity of his personal vendetta against Disney.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656808#Comment_120656808

Because all the evidence they want swept under the carpet happened largely before those thirty years.

Speaking of wars, I think DeSantis is wrong on the Ukraine question. I don't think having a detached attitude to Putin's war is a good thing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656824#Comment_120656824

If all you are interested in are 'good policies', where are your posts giving credit where credit is due to Biden, or defending any of his policies?

The reason I'm not discussing Biden's policies and any advantages therein is because this thread is about DeSantis.

My previous post criticised DeSantis' attitude on Ukraine, which by definition means that my position on Ukraine aligns more with Biden.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656808#Comment_120656808

Because I know for a fact off the top of my head (as has been pointed out I could have went back further) that no war was started in the last 30 years by the Dems. And going back even further is pointless as the political landscape would have been very different. I actually agree with everything else you said but the starting the wars thing didn't ring through as unless I'm mistaken it's usually the Dems left picking up a mess left by the republicans.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656849#Comment_120656849

No you don't discuss Biden's policies and advantages on this forum because that would mean giving credit to a Democrat.

When you make claims on this thread about your stance towards Democrats and Republicans as it relates to DeSantis, then your post history on the forum becomes relevant.

When challenged, you were unable to find a single post where you defended a non-Republican against a Republican.

So on this thread, it demonstrates the falseness of your claims re: presenting concerns about Republican conduct as being down to 'childish attitudes'.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656851#Comment_120656851

That's a very selective list, as it omits interventionism - which is a form of war / militarism. Furthermore, the Korean War was intervened by Truman, who was a democrat.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656871#Comment_120656871

When challenged, you were unable to find a single post where you defended a non-Republican against a Republican.

Literally 5-minutes ago, I said:

My previous post criticised DeSantis' attitude on Ukraine, which by definition means that my position on Ukraine aligns more with Biden.

This is what I meant earlier when I said nuance matters.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656884#Comment_120656884

That doesn't mean that by definition at all. There's a whole host of ways you could disagree with DeSantis' attitude on Ukraine without meaning it aligns with Bidens, or giving credit to Biden for that policy. And conveniently, you only magicked up this now when challenged instead of being able to point to one from your 500+ posts.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656889#Comment_120656889

I have agreed with Biden's position on Ukraine - not once, but twice.

I don't secretly possess phantom support for DeSantis' position on Ukraine.

Have I finally made that clear? Good. Your position is the equivalent of arguing with a mirror.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656864#Comment_120656864

Yeah, apologies, I was wrong on that one. (Are you paying attention @[Deleted User] ? It is possible to admit you were wrong and apologise online)

The Dems in power, (Obama in the 00’s) could have done more to ease the suffering in war zones that the US were involved in. He increased drone strikes, which killed many civilians.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656927#Comment_120656927

I think Obama was between a rock and a hard place. The drones took boots off the ground and saved american trooper lives. It's not right but those civilian lives would probably happened whether it was a drone strike of a squad of marines. Again this wouldn't have had to have been a choice to make if it wasn't for the Republicans.

Flaneur OBrien

This bullshit annoys the f*ck out of me.

The president should be for everybody in the country, not just their supporters. I have never seen a democrat say that they hope to crush the right. Yet another reason DeSaster should never be near the presidency.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/30/ron-desantis-fox-news-interview-destroy-leftism

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660008#Comment_120660008

Let's be honest here for a second, there has been a concerted attempt here to discredit Republicans etc. on this and other threads.

If the left-wing alternative to DeSantis were to successfully crush Republicans, I don't think anyone on this thread would defend the rights of Republicans to have their say.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660029#Comment_120660029

I don’t believe for a minute that you can be honest for a second. How many times have you said you’re not defending Trump while defending him?

Republicans are responsible for discrediting themselves, and we discuss it here. Like the man running for Presidency of the United States that wants to “Destroy” his opposition. Can you name one mainstream politician from the left that has ever expressed those views? Not even the most left wing of the democrats would say the right should be destroyed. There is literally no left wing alternative to DeSantis.

No one here has ever said the right should not have their view or express their view. No one. For you to defend this as, “I don’t think anyone on this thread would defend the rights of Republicans to have their say” is utterly despicable and wrong. I would. I just want them to stop the culture war bullshit and actually try and make the lives of everyone in the states better, not just themselves, their family, friends and supporters (in that order).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660057#Comment_120660057

I don’t believe for a minute that you can be honest for a second.

I stopped reading your post from this point.

No debate between us about DeSantis can be legitimate when you ab initio start from this premise.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660115#Comment_120660115

Do you think someone running for President of the USA should want to destroy their opposition or try to understand them and try to unite the country?

(I also don’t believe you didn’t read my full post)

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660115#Comment_120660115

Who is this phantom left wing alternative to DeSaster who has even closely appeared to WANT to crush the right?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660135#Comment_120660135

I think both extremes play the same game, and both want the same outcome - only in their own favour.

The only thing is that neither side daren't admit it publicly.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660146#Comment_120660146

So you’re making it up.

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660029#Comment_120660029

You have a history on this site, you are not renowned for your nuanced political views. You are one of the most partisan posters on here. Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty - that's exactly what you've been doing since you came back.

Overheal

Title proved again.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/desantis-fec-complaint-campaign-finance

Trying to loophole all the money he raised at the state level, for months and months prickteasing his donors into amassing funds for him, and launder it into a federal/presidential vehicle, but what are rules for Ron but just things to accuse Democrats of abusing?

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656788#Comment_120656788

They did have a hand in starting the American Civil War.