Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606002#Comment_120606002

Why do you think they knew about it before appointing him? Genuine question

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606058#Comment_120606058

From what I am reading, everyone else in Ulster GAA knew.

dinorebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120605834#Comment_120605834

He ran a training session Saturday had breakfast with them Sunday then went out on the beer with them to celebrate that's far from handling it well.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606093#Comment_120606093

Tbf, it's easy for people to come out now and say "everyone knew" but it's a bit late for that.

The reason I think they did a reasonably good job is because 1) they ultimately arrived at the correct outcome, 2) rather than a knee jerk reaction, they took the time to presumably talk to various people on it rather than just jumping straight in based on a social media post, 3) these guys are amateurs and they managed to complete the process without daily leaks to the press.

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606098#Comment_120606098

I'd highly doubt they'd train the day before a game...

dinorebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606125#Comment_120606125

Ok Training/Tactical session I'd highly doubt they didn't.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606111#Comment_120606111

That only works if you believe they were blindsided by this. I don't believe that.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606098#Comment_120606098

Heard that too. Didn't want to repeat it until someone else did.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120605634#Comment_120605634

He could have saved himself the trouble of his "steping back" statement on Friday and resigned then.

After Sheila Maguires post he was finished. Not just as manager of the Derry senior mens team, but at any level of GAA management.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606111#Comment_120606111

You seem to be suggesting that his resigning was due to the Derry county board coming to the correct decision after now talking to various people, whoever these various people may be.

I don`t believe it`s difficult to understand why members of the Derry county board were not leaking news.They were avoiding the press like the plague as to what they knew, or were told, and when.

If, as has been claimed, they recieved an email from Nicola Gallagher`s father last year, then "a reasonably good job" would have been talking to these various people back then.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606244#Comment_120606244

"Stepping Back" was just a move to take the immediate heat of him and Derry GAA. He was still the manager for the Ulster final, he just wasn't in the public eye / standing on the sideline on Sunday.

The question I would be asking is, did they place more importance on winning the Ulster final Vs doing the right thing. I don't know what they knew, but it looks like a case that they wanted to minimise disruption ahead of the final. I'm not sure there has been any new information between him stepping back and resigning.

Another question I would be asking is why is it him resigning. Did Derry make him resign instead of having to be forced to dismiss him.

I'm sure they are hoping this will all go away now but I doubt it will and I think Derry GAA will have to explain their role in all this.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606058#Comment_120606058

Nicola's father wrote them an email at the time they were considering appointing him, telling them what he had done.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606694#Comment_120606694

Was that reported somewhere? Would be interesting to see who it was sent to and what it actually said

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606730#Comment_120606730

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/05/14/news/derry_gaa_informed_of_allegations_against_rory_gallagher_in_may_2022-3277177/#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20with%20the,%2C%20but%20%22did%20nothing%22.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606747#Comment_120606747

Cheers, hadn't read that. From the sounds of it, someone within the CB was aware of the allegations but may not have shared it with the rest of the executive; I personally don't believe that the CB as a whole knew about this and chose to ignore it - I'd expect them to investigate internally, find out who the email was sent to, what specifically the allegations were and why it wasn't notified to the board.

That said, it's going to be difficult for them to do much about it, if person A received the email and decided to bin it, that person can just claim it was unsubstantiated allegations, etc. and there's probably not much the board can sanction him with other than try to push him out of office in the medium term.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606782#Comment_120606782

Well, as the saying goes, they would say that, wouldn't they?

One of the features of this thread is that anything Nicola said can't be relied on, but anything Rory or anyone involved with the GAA says has to be taken as gospel.

I don't know any more than you do what the truth is, but if the county board didn't know about Rory's penchant for beating his wife, then it seems they were just about the only ones that didn't. Seems a little implausible, especially if, as it is claimed, he beat her at GAA events.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606826#Comment_120606826

One of the features of this thread is that anything Nicola said can't be relied on, but anything Rory or anyone involved with the GAA says has to be taken as gospel.

That's not what I said though - if the father said that he sent an email then I believe him but only he knows who specifically he sent it to and whether it went to one person or more than that. If it just went to one person, I don't think you can blame the entire CB for not knowing about it if that person chose to hide it.

Seems a little implausible, especially if, as it is claimed, he beat her at GAA events

These wouldn't have been Derry GAA events though - again, you can't expect amateur GAA officials in Derry to know what went on years previously elsewhere even if after the fact "everybody knew"

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606880#Comment_120606880

I wasn't directing that at you specifically to be fair.

I really find it difficult to believe that Derry GAA officials didn't know anything. I played football, as did my kids. News travels fast in GAA circles. And that was back in pre-whatsapp days. These days, it travels a lot faster. I would say it would be stretching credulity beyond breaking point to claim that nobody in the Derry CB had ever heard stories about Rory and his predilections.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606522#Comment_120606522

Derry county board learned nothing new between his "stepping back" on Friday and his resigning yesterday that resulted in them putting the gun to his head. The "stepping back" allowed them to keep him in place as the de facto manager for the Ulster Final by taking the pressure off them while they sat on their hands.

We might as well call a spade a spade here. Rory Gallagher was not working for just mileage allowance as manager. Someone other than the Derry county board was paying for his services. If the Derry board had anything to do with that resignation, my money is on whoever was paying for Gallagher, or their sponsors, putting the gun to the Derry county boards head and telling them he had to go.

I find this idea that county boards are like some large business concern where their hierarchy have no interaction with their opposition numbers as head in the sand. Those in neighbouring counties especially would know each other well and often socialise together. They are not business executives far removed from the factory floor. They are elected officials and like all elected officials wishing to keep their positions have their ear close to the ground, so it is inconceivable that they hadn`t heard any rumours about Gallagher until last week.

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606211#Comment_120606211

Is there any actual proof of any of this apart from a year old video? No? Didnt think so

padjocollins

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120603404#Comment_120603404

I try not to bait/upset people or be baited which is why i just posted this link without a comment and i came across that link and that was the place i found most relevent for it , domestic abuse and voilence. But posting a link on male domestic victimisation without explaining why is a bit of an unintentional stir.

Do I beleive that Rory Gallagher is guilty of what his wife accuses him ? I do but I'm a person who never got within 100 miles of either of them or no anything about them apart from what i've read in the last week.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120605889#Comment_120605889

Most of the "rage " about gaago came from those who don't bother going to matches, aren't even members of gaa clubs, and if they are haven't paid their membership and most likely don't even pay their TV licences!

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120608465#Comment_120608465

GAAGO is cheaper for those who don't watch soccer and other foreign sports on SKY.

If you cancelled your SKY Sports subscription and bought your own county's matches on GAAGO, you are much better off.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120608268#Comment_120608268

Fair enough, and just as an aside, the conviction rate for al other crimes crimes in general here is around 32%, for female domestic abuse it`s 18%

Like many I had heard the rumours but could never be sure, but after his first statement and Sheila Maguires post I have no doubt his ex-wife is telling the truth. Especially where Clones is concerned.

combat14

it's always difficult to know who is correct when allegations are made .. that's why trial by social media is not acceptable in this day and age let the courts decide .. Woman jailed for four years over false rape allegations

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0517/1384177-sonya-egan/

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609936#Comment_120609936

False equivalence - that was an individual with a 20 history of compulsive lying. Trying to equate the Gallagher story with this story is disingenuous in the extreme.

Nicola Gallagher has already been corroborated on the Clones incident. And from information relayed both here and on other forums the treatment of her at the hands of Gallagher was widely known well prior to them seperating.

Water John

Yes one has to thread carefully where a legal successful prosecution hasn't taken place. But that is a very high bar. Society operates on a much more nuanced basis. It's not a 100% but it's the best we've got. Word would be who to avoid etc.

charlie14

I`ve seen this idea from a few on social media that this should not be discussed on social media but rather left to the courts and in this instance I cannot see where they are coming from.

Sheila Maguire only came forward to verify that Nicola Gallagher was seriously assaulted in a Clones car park in 1999 due to Nicola Gallagher`s post on social media. With the statute of limitation for assault here being 7 years afaik, how they believe, even with Sheila Maguire`s statement, that incident will ever see the inside of a courtroom is a mystery to me.

I doubt anybody believes the number of cases brought to court are anywhere close to reflecting the true level of this abuee and even for those that make it to court the conviction rate of 18% is abysmal.

blanch152

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/rory-gallagher-co-fermanagh-gaa-club-removes-retweets-appearing-to-support-ex-derry-boss/1717604286.html

It seems some believe Gallagher was hard done by.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120608465#Comment_120608465

Are you going to publish the full results of you survey of GAAgo ragers and the correlation between said rage and GAA membership/TV licence purchase?

Or did you just make this up?

Ragwort and Stones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613562#Comment_120613562

Ewan McKenna! He's a national joke.

mobby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614639#Comment_120614639

He sure is.

It speaks volumes about the state of justice in Ireland when a vindictive spouse with a formidable sense of victimhood - supported by the entire industry of perpetual victimhood and perpetual whinge that is women's rights - can destroy a man's reputation and livelihood.

The lynch mob is alive and well, and so much for courts, due process and innocent until proven guilty in Ireland in 2023. And nobody bats an eyelid that these pillars of justice and fairness are railroaded by the mob. Some day the mob's victim could be your son, your brother, your Dad. Has anybody thought of that? Bad, evil shít does not just happen "other people", and people really need to appreciate how their own life can take a turn and get a taste of that evil. There are many, many cases where there is smoke without fire - as anybody familiar with the experience of Maurice McCabe should be able to acknowledge, and McCabe's case is only extraordinary because he refused to give up.

Anybody who has any doubt whatsoever that false accusations against men of sexual, physical and emotional crimes are widespread in family law cases could get in touch with Men's Aid, which, unlike Women's Aid, does not have the funding from the Irish State to fund peer support groups and helplines for all the men who finally get the courage to knock on their door. The destruction is extraordinary and lifelong. There really is nothing like the lifelong destruction which false allegations lead to, from losing one's home to losing one's reputation in one's community to having one's children alienated from you by your faux-"victim" ex wife. The fact that there is absolutely no criminal prosecutions or names mentioned when a woman is found guilty of false allegations ensures false allegations will continue to be a zero-risk/high-reward tactic from women across Ireland. It's a no brainer for all these women, and their lawyers: levy a false allegation, or lose control of the kids and family home. This epidemic of false allegations without penalty are one of the many outrages facing men in the family courts which Helen McEntee as Minister for Justice still refuses to tackle. Technically, of course, these allegations are in the criminal courts with the idea being that if criminal allegations of abuse are levelled against fathers, the women will keep them out of the family home and by the time the criminal allegations go through the criminal courts it will be years and only after than can the family law case start to decide who controls the kids and home - and because the women, due to making false allegations, are in the home for years judges tend to leave them there and in effect reward them for their evil allegations. Oh, and they can play the victim because the findings which clear the father of all the abuse are all kept secret! Kangaroo courts in this banana republic that is Ireland.

Meanwhile, Ireland remains full to the brim of naive, ignorant, ignorant, ignorant people who believe women do not do this on a large scale across this island. That women are somehow whiter than white, despite the glaring reality that control of the children and family home is what is at stake. In the vast, vast majority of family law cases, women are not victims; they are the perpetrators who are using the prejudices of society to deny good fathers equal rights to their children and to a family home of their own. There are evil, vindictive, malignant women out there and it's well past time that society on this island stopped denying the nastiness so many, if not most, women go to when control of the children and family home is at stake. All is justified, it seems! And there is an entire so-called women's rights industry, funded by the Irish taxpayer, which coaches women on what to say or do to get control of the children and family home. Not to mention journalists like Kitty Holland in The Irish Times who are simply mouthpieces for Women's Aid. Again, someday it could be your son, your brother, or your Dad who is the victim of this gender discrimination in Irish family law courts.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120760206#Comment_120760206

Do you feel better after posting that Rory?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609936#Comment_120609936

It's important to note if this happened in connection with a family law case, as opposed to a criminal law case, she would not be named. Which means, you guessed it, she can fire all sorts of allegations against him without being named when the judge finds they are lies - such as in this case: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/woman-s-claims-of-rape-sex-assault-against-husband-not-the-truth-judge-finds-1.4836056

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120760226#Comment_120760226

If you've got a problem with what is said, say it. False allegations and perpetrators-posing-as-victims are not something remote from many people who have been, and are, on the receiving end of the "I believe her!" mob and their faux victimhood.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120760251#Comment_120760251

You appear to have a massive chip on your shoulder and it might be best not to debate it but to let everyone reading the thread see it for themselves!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120760382#Comment_120760382

Yes, as everybody else in history who has had issues with one group being singled out and discriminated against has also evidently had a 'chip on their shoulder'. Oh, if only we could be smug, head-in-the-sand types who turn a blind eye to injustice, be it in industrial schools, Magdalene laundries, or the family courts today. Just pretend it's not happening, until some man you know is on the wrong side of a marital breakdown facing all this "poor women" faux-victimhood and its accompanying prejudices and false allegations.

Everybody should have the right to due process and a fair trial under an impartial legal system. This did not happen here, and it needs to be called out - no matter how smug you think you are.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120760887#Comment_120760887

It is not quite as simple as that, and in the particular case of this thread, it is definitely not simple.

There is a criminal level of proof and there is a civil level of proof. Gallagher is clearly not a criminal as he was not convicted.

However, and this has been pointed out a few times in this thread, he did not say that she was lying. Neither did he deny her specific allegations. Why did he take this course of action? Impossible to know, but there are many who will suspect and surmise that he was afraid of civil litigation. In criminal trials you have to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas in civil trials, the test is on the balance of probabilities.

So it is certainly true that there was sufficient reasonable doubt to ensure that Gallagher walked away but that doesn't mean that on the balance of probabilities, he didn't do it.

Gusser09

Rory's decision to not come out and issue a full denial of physically abusing his wife is telling. Literally the silence is deafening. He is not a criminal and has not been convicted of any crime. Why he isn't denying the allegations is astonishing. He doesn't have to deny it either. That's his prerogative. But don't expect a pathway back to the GAA management and public acceptance without addressing the horrific allegations.

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120773777#Comment_120773777

How could silence be literally deafening ?

dxhound2005

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-66606139

"Ulster GAA has asked an independent panel to investigate claims made by the estranged wife of a former Derry senior men's Gaelic football manager."

amdublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120774016#Comment_120774016

You've never heard that phrase before? It is very common...

Meaning:

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/deafening#:~:text=%E2%97%8A%20If%20there%20is%20a,speech%20that%20is%20very%20noticeable.

evolvingtipperary101

The report is completed but not yet public.

Ulster GAA to consider findings of independent report into domestic abuse allegations made against Rory Gallagher | Independent.ie

evolvingtipperary101

Former Derry manager Rory Gallagher’s barring from GAA activity has been lifted by the Disputes Resolution Authority (DRA).

The independent arbitration body found in the Fermanagh native’s favour against the Ulster Council’s judgement, which stopped him from coaching teams.

Gusser09

I'd like think no club or county will ever touch this guy again. Sadly I think there are plenty of morally bankrupt people in the GAA.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827477#Comment_121827477

Sure Banty had him involved with Corduff last year while he was banned.

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827661#Comment_121827661

Banty making the type of money that puts him above the law now...

'Banty' McEnaney and 14 family members paid over €130m to house refugees (businessplus.ie)

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827661#Comment_121827661

Mod snip

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121827477#Comment_121827477

I cannot see any county board ever offering him a job, and while a few club officials might be tempted I cannot see their communities being happy with their club being associated with him.

Outside club managers or their assistants come with hefty financial outlays. Practically all of it under the counter payments. Their are only really two ways for clubs to do that. Siphoning off cash from fund raising activities in their communities, or cash sponsorship from a local firm. I doubt many club members or supporters would be happy knowing their contributions to fund raising activities were going to Gallagher, or any company would see it a commercial advantage by being associated with him.