Taylor vs Cameron

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622653#Comment_120622653

Yes. Saw those odds mentioned. Insane. Cully has beaten nobody. And every time he steps up (if he continues on) he will get banjoed. There is no fixing some things.

hawaii501

He didnt just lose, he was pucked around for all of rd 3

Furze99

Ah God help her and may the Lord forgive her opponent.

The Nal

Cully had no business in there. Mauled.

Wonder whats next for Katie. Shes 37 in a few weeks. Rematch and retirement?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622929#Comment_120622929

I mentioned already, rematch in my view would likely see another loss. She and her team hardly want that on home soil.

Serrano a tough rematch as well, but she has better chance (size and style wise) to beat Serrano. Cameron be a tougher ask.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622934#Comment_120622934

Yeah think she loses again but she can't not do it? Have to try avenge those defeats. One more and done either way I reckon. The undefeated record was huge for Katie so not sure what the motivation to keep fighting would be now.

Her entrance was weird. Red flags all oer the place there.

Awful night for Irish boxing anyway. Both in terms of the fighters and the promotional side of it.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622954#Comment_120622954

Yes, I get the desire to avenge, but sometimes the manner of a defeat is telling.

Katie fought superbly, but she was clearly dominated I felt. Avenging that may be a step too far, and a bit of a silly step.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622954#Comment_120622954

She’s not retiring

Her motivation is her love of fighting, even aside from the money

She’s obsessed with boxing and isn’t going away

dasdog

Had it much closer myself but I was at the back with tinted glasses on surrounded by what reminded me of a West Dublin nightclub in 1993. Young wans knew every song. If Real2Real "I like to move it, move it" came on they would have known every word. Disappointing but enjoyable.

Security was a token gesture. I set off the metal detector with a hip flask of rum stuffed down my jocks and was ushered through.

Seadin

Katie isn't beating Cameron. I don't know what Katie can do if a rematch occurs? Camerons too strong for Katie no matter if Katie comes back fighting for a win she isn't going to beat Cameron. Sometimes that's just life. Katie was close but still was second best all night. Only way I see Katie winning is putting in massive pace and try and batter Cameron's face early like the later rounds and not give up. She can't start slow or it's curtains.

I think Katie is technically a better boxer than Cameron but she doesn't have the power pace and strength to match Cameron right now.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622963#Comment_120622963

Well its about damage aswell. 23 fights in 7 years takes its toll. I thought it was obvious last night that shes lost a touch of speed. Not sure what she can achieve continuing aged 37. Can't beat the clock!

megadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622963#Comment_120622963

I agree 100%.

She's obsessed with boxing and the idea of retiring probably won't even enter her head.

i've often said that I don't know what she'll do with herself once her career does end. What does she focus on?

Brock Turnpike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623117#Comment_120623117

The Lord Jesus our savior

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623089#Comment_120623089

I’m kinda saying it from first hand info in fairness, so it isn’t just my opinion admittedly - but it’s definitely the case she isn’t going anywhere. She loves it

DJIMI TRARORE

There judge who give it 95/95 should have serious questions asked of them, Taylor didn't win 5 rounds,3, maybe 4(at a push),97/93 was what most people had it. I think Katie should go back to soccer at make a late burst for the world cup squad (joke)

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623271#Comment_120623271

Ah ok. Just hope she doesn't hang around too long.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623271#Comment_120623271

I don’t think anyone is arguing that she will retire. Folks suggesting that maybe she should. I know she loves the sport, and very unlikely she retires on a loss.

Anyway, probably 2-3 fights left and after these is where she will be thinking of calling it a day. Yea, she loves boxing, but so do plenty others who end up calling it a day. Be no different for Katie. Life goes on.

US3

I clearly don't know **** about boxing I had Cameron winning 8 or 9 rounds. Couldn't believe a judge gave it a draw

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623342#Comment_120623342

Some rds close, but I agree, Cameron got minimum 6, and could have gotten 8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623085#Comment_120623085

Yeah I thought Katie boxed brilliant last night but Cameron was bigger and stronger

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622653#Comment_120622653

His opponent while far from a world beater is clearly not a mug. He went the distance with Sandor Martin in his last fight and has 30 wins by KO, obviously a lot of those were against rubbish but not like all Cully victims were that much better.

Hearn totally underestimated him as he would not have got the fight if they felt he had a chance v Cully who probably was buying his own hype and took the eye of the ball.

Cully is young, but that was a proper beating and he looked so open, not sure how he comes back from that unfortunately.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622624#Comment_120622624

The depressing thing if we get the rematch I will obviously cheer her on, but even if she wins I will worry like many that she will think

"I may as well fight another elite opponent and make more money", this will all catch up on her sadly.

Katie does not have Tyson Fury money obviously , but she should be comfortable enough and she does not come across as someone who would be dumb with money. Heck if she wanted a payday I would nearly prefer her to take some gimmick fight with some UFC/Bellator fight which would have much less risk.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623878#Comment_120623878

I’d be very confident that money, although nice to her, is not her driving factor. She would be very comfortable financially at this point. She just loves and lives competitive boxing!!

BorneTobyWilde

Very different from mens boxing, it seems to be a case of just standing there with both punching their faces off, maybe it's because women don't have the KO power, so they can do that. But isn't boxing about stick and move, hit and not get hit, that is the art of boxing.

BorneTobyWilde

If bout was judged on faces, Cameron loses, she took a lot of blows,so badly beaten,, Kaite not a mark, but lost her hair band, so weird.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623895#Comment_120623895

Boxing is not about any one particular thing. Ideally hit and don’t get hit would be brilliant for everyone, but of course, it can’t be like that.

Katie is a boxer/mover, but again, there are times when you also have to think hard about what you need to do to win. And boxers have to be able to adapt and do a bit of everything to win. Sometimes that includes getting out of your comfort zone and digging deep and taking risks and taking punishment.

I hear it a lot: boxer should not have done this, that or the other and should have stuck to their plan n all that. Boxing doesn’t always allow you to stick to your plans.

There have been many times where Katie has went to war and slugged it out, and these decisions were reasons why she actually won; as the trying to be cute and slick and hit and don’t get hit wasn’t really working. Also, other times she had no choice but to go to war, as some of her opponents did not allow her just stick and move…

Her biggest win V Serrano was actually won in the trenches. Yes, her movement and sticking and not getting tagged worked, but she also had to, and needed to go to war.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623902#Comment_120623902

Right ….

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623902#Comment_120623902

Yep:

A punch or two can badly mark a face. Seen many fights where a clear winner was bruised and marked and the loser not. Lot of this is just down to physiology. Some boxers mark up very easily.

normanoffside

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623895#Comment_120623895

I think the 10 x 2 minute rounds has a lot to do with this.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623960#Comment_120623960

2 or 3 mins the women just don’t generate near the power in their punches..

normanoffside

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623964#Comment_120623964

Sure, but 2 minute rounds means they can't ease into rounds and just have to go for it. You can't afford to lose a minute of a round.

20 minutes total fight time means they don't have to worry about the gas tank as much as the males.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623985#Comment_120623985

Spot on..

Morrison J

Was shocked that Taylor's handlers let her take the Cameron fight tbh. Was always a fight she'd more than likely lose unless getting the benefit of a robbery. Won't win a rematch either so not really sure where she goes from here. Croke Park surely dead in the water.

Real shame about Cully. Think if built correctly he could have got to the level of headlining the 3Arena himself in a big fight. Long way to go now to make that a reality.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624411#Comment_120624411

Good shout on Cameron

But no idea what you ever saw with Cully tbh

Morrison J

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624421#Comment_120624421

Yeah I didn't think he'd be winning a world title in that stacked of a division but I thought he could get to the point of being built up to a shot at a world title tbh.

Getting dropped heavy by Craig Woodruff a few years back definitely a bigger red flag at the time than I realized. Cully too sloppy coming in and too hittable. Seriously exposed last night.

I do think whoever Matchroom's matchmaker is needs sacking at this point though. Amount of b-side Mexicans that have got shock KO wins over their fighters is mental.

reclose

Can there be a case made for Katie winning the rematch at all?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624769#Comment_120624769

If she develops about 20 percent more physical strength, maybe. But aged 37 for it, unlikely.

I’d make Cameron quite a warm favorite. But a lot to consider.. Cameron could have an off night, and Katie a very sharp night…

pjohnson

That was a very big mismatch in terms of strength and power and it became clear very quickly. A very weird opponent to pick for the homecoming.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624769#Comment_120624769

If Katie was 32 she'd wipe the floor with Cameron, alas, time waits for no-one, other than Lomachenko who should have beaten Haney.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624979#Comment_120624979

Hindsight a wonderful thing. Cameron isn’t some killer. She won last night by being physically stronger and more intense. Katie was a warm favorite. She just couldn’t contain Cameron. I wouldn’t say a weird opponent to pick

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624987#Comment_120624987

Not sure what you’re seeing in 2018 Katie so different that sees her wipe the floor with Cameron.

Katie’s best ever performance in the pros was her win against Serrano only a year ago..she didn’t suddenly regress that much between last year and last night

Sunny Disposition

I was amazed at how badly Taylor started. I dunno, but I suspect she was frazzled mentally due to being at home.

To me she looked kinda vacant somehow beforehand. It was a very close fight, she almost got a draw, but was always up against after those early rounds.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120625036#Comment_120625036

Yes, and I think a 32 year old Taylor wipes the ring with Serrano too.

As I said earlier in the thread, it's a shame Taylor turned pro so late but thinking about it it's just one of those things, whereby she was so far ahead of everyone there wasn't much more she could do beforehand.

Total respect to Cameron, she put her record on the line (which the men don't do) and came to Ireland to fight the best. She's 32 with less than 20 wins. She'll be toppled in the next few years. It'll take a while for women's boxing to evolve but at least they fight the best.

Brock Turnpike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120625655#Comment_120625655

I agree re: her starting poorly and looking fazed She seemed to be over awed by the occasion

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120625974#Comment_120625974

It was something I hadn't expected at all, she seemed really uncomfortable. I don't think she settled until half way through the fight.

I dunno if it's correct that there's no chance for her in a rematch, she was only narrowly defeated despite that poor start. Cameron would be the warm favourite, but Taylor would have a chance.

Banjo Carney

First of all hands up I'm no expert at scoring boxing matches but it seemed to me Katie was well beaten unfortunately. I can't believe one judge scored it a draw.

Also I heard on the radio this morning that a rematch would be at light weight. Wouldn't this help Katie.

For what its worth I was hoping Katie would walk away after the Serrano fight.

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120626157#Comment_120626157

I think it depends what you liked to an extent. For me Cameron won 6-4, I thought there were five rounds Cameron won convincingly and three Taylor won convincingly, the other two were less clear cut.

dubrov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120625749#Comment_120625749

I am not sure if women's boxing is any better than the men's in terms of the best fighting the best.

Even Katie has had a ton of dud fights where she was 95%+ to win before the bell was rung.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120627250#Comment_120627250

Women's boxing may be behind the men in terms of quality but the best women fight the best women.

If Taylor and Cameron were in the men's division they'd spend a decade ducking and diving each other.

Taylor could have easily waited for the Serrano rematch and had a glorified sparring session for her homecoming. Equally, Cameron could have dodged a dangerous fight, putting her undefeated record on the line, by coming to Ireland to fight the best woman ever.

rob316

Dont think she wins the rematch either, moving up a weight class against a younger champion is a bridge too far at 37.