Do traditional hurling counties honestly want hurling to grow or stay as is?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121451988#Comment_121451988

There should be a fund (specific for hurling) % of revenue of the traditional counties given to the ones that are struggling. Hell would freeze over before that happens, I think.

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121437427#Comment_121437427

Dont really agree with this - the biggest differential is that clubs in Dublin commit fully to hurling at underage, that its coached from age 4 right up to age 18 on an even keel with football. That would be the case in most clubs in the county, there are a few football only clubs like Ballymun but equally there are a few hurling only clubs like Faughs or Setanta or Wild Geese. Thats what produces the players, and also what produces the coaches. The likes of Boden, Cuala, Kilmacud, Vincents, Lucan- they'd all be equally strong in football as hurling more or less.

Yes, Dublin might get in an outside lad to manage the county team, but he is going nowhere if the players arent coming through that system.

Also, thats the Dublin County Board going out and finding someone as opposed to 'traditional hurling counties helping out Dublin'. Wexford, Waterford and Galway do the same.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121456612#Comment_121456612

But I am talking about players as well Corcoran (Galway). Dwyer (Tipp) etc, then even further back you had Eamon Shiner Morrisey from the cats.

Obviously you had the successful minors coming through (winning Leinster a few years prior to 2011) but it never would have come together without the outside help. Culminating in a manager like Dalo to galvanise it, a fella with hurling pedigree who had been there and done it. That type of profile and nous is invaluable for a team without top tier hurling tradition.

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Fair point on the DCB having to seek these lads out though.

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466402#Comment_121466402

Yes, and much like Shane Walsh, there will be plenty of lads moving to Dublin anyway so it works for them. Not the case with Fermanagh or Sligo, (or not to the same extent).

Mad about baa baas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466402#Comment_121466402

Eamon morrissey and shiner brennan were both kilkenny hurlers that went on to play for Dublin..I might be wrong but I think they both won an all Ireland in 1992.

legendary.xix

The five divisions of 7 seems to be a good development. Division 1B will most likely see 3 McDonagh counties come up against 4 McCarthy Cup counties. It's important they get that opportunity and the Division 1B of 7 counties seems to be a fair solution.

2025 Predicted Division 1B:

Dublin

Wexford

Antrim

Westmeath

Offaly

Laois

Carlow

2026 Predicted Division 1B

Clare

Waterford

Antrim

Westmeath

Offaly

Kerry

Down

Dublin, Wexford, Clare and Waterford will not be pleased about 1B hurling but will be confident of a top 2 place for automatic promotion, and keeping their stay in 1B as brief as possible.

Galway and Limerick have previously win the All-Ireland after 1B hurling. The 2023 SFC winners won NFL Division 2 this year.

Do non traditional hurling counties want hurling to grow? Are Liam McCarthy counties to blame for the number of hurling clubs fielded in non traditional counties? Look in particular at the number of under 20 hurling teams registered in 2020 - TEN counties registering either zero or one club.

Mayo - There are counties where at least 80% of the registered clubs don't field hurling teams. I fail to see how this is the fault of the traditional counties.

I'd ask every GAA club that fields only in one code - "Why do you field teams only on one code and what kind of help and support do you need to help change this?" Same question to clubs that field only hurling clubs. Does the will really exist in these counties?

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-report-deficit-of-34-1m-in-2020-financial-results/

letsseehere14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121514898#Comment_121514898

Absolutely correct.

Look at the likes of Limerick, Clare, Tipperary. The effort these hurling counties put into fielding at both codes. Even Kilkenny, the most Hurling tilted county and they are fielding a not-insignificant number of adult and youth football teams (33% of all teams in Kilkenny were Football).

Then look at the effort the likes of Tyrone, Leitrim, Sligo, Louth, Cavan, Armagh, Mayo etc.

The fact that Limerick, are fielding 501 football teams out of 1033 teams (48%) - compared to a combined 468 hurling teams for Tyrone, Sligo, Mayo, Leitrim, Louth, Longford, Fermanagh, Cavan and Armagh out of 3683 teams (13%) tells you all you need to know about why hurling isnt growing in smaller counties. They are not allowing it to themselves.

This tread should be titled why do traditional football counties prevent hurling from growing?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517462#Comment_121517462

That is one part of the issue but I think it is too easy to blame the big ball game bit of a cop out. The likes of Donal Og sneers at football and would be delighted if the hurling status quo remained ad infinitum. Also we have seen how the powers that be (backed by the traditional hurling counties) treat the likes of Kerry hurling in Munster. Basically like sh!te on a shoe. They create hurdles and barriers to entry.

To me there is a certain religious fervour about the 'hurling man' that the average 'football man' does not have. But it is very selective.

The vast majority only pay lip service to spreading the gospel elsewhere. They like things as are, ie Munster Hurling = hurling - Plus Kilkenny and Galway.

Dublin are the only team I can think of in the last 10 - 15 years that attempted to break into the top tier hurling as a less traditional county. But even after 20 years plus of groundwork, they are falling backwards to mediocrity and further.

legendary.xix

Will traditional counties welcome New York to the hurling championship? From New York's preseason performance in the Connacht Hurling League, they are indications that they can compete at Christy Ring Cup level at least.

If the GAA allow New York to join the Meagher Cup, New York can't travel for multiple group games.