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Census 2022: 10% reduction in Roman Catholic numbers

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    #242
    Jock_Ewing
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭Jock_Ewing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660387#Comment_120660387

    It mightn't be we'd adopt it, it might arrive here in numbers.



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    #243
    crossman47
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Slightly off topic but I am astonished the biggest topic of conversation from very interesting Census results is the religion one. The age profile, house ownership, etc items are far more relevant. Of course, a bit of church bashing seems to be required by some from time to time.



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    #244
    downtheroad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662576#Comment_120662576

    Start a thread on those topics so. This thread relates to a substantial % drop in numbers of catholics in Ireland. A number which wouldn't have been imagined maybe 25 years ago.



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    #245
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662505#Comment_120662505

    Really? I find with friends like that "fcuk off and keep your opinion to yourself" is an appropriate and justified response.



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    #246
    suvigirl
    Registered Users Posts: 7,662 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662523#Comment_120662523

    Im not getting my people mixed up? The poster I quoted said that.

    Edit, you might be right.....you said you're an atheist but ticked the Catholic box yeah?



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    #247
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭corks finest


    I'm a practicing RC

    My church in Carrigaline and St Mary's popes quays numbers haven't fallen


    Irrespective we need quality not quantity



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    #248
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660686#Comment_120660686
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_theology

    Yes, it is not that hard to find.



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    #249
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660711#Comment_120660711

    Right, yeah the fundamentals of Catholic theology start in the OT when God is beginning to show up to the party, but only when Jesus lands through a virgin birth...that is when the teachings are to be taken literally. Got it, makes total sense.



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    #250
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659771#Comment_120659771

    You were told that in school and you believed them?

    Religions are businesses and they like to bad-mouth the competition.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #251
    suvigirl
    Registered Users Posts: 7,662 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662870#Comment_120662870

    Not that hard to find, in the whole internet?😂

    Anyway, Wikipedia? Seriously? Did you even read all the article?



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    #252
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659869#Comment_120659869

    The second largest religion in Ireland is Church of Ireland and it's less than 2%. But we're all going to be taken over by those muslims, any day now... the stupidity of that sort of post is off the scale.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #253
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659830#Comment_120659830

    What's crazy is not that teacher, who has perfectly valid reasons to be concerned although maybe not because of the census.

    What's crazy is

    (a) expecting, or rather requiring, an employee paid by the State to teach a religion as factually true during their working day

    (b) the fact that said employees can be sacked without recourse on the basis of their personal religious belief, marital status, etc. and yes this has happened, and yes it's all 100% legal for a religious "ethos" organisation to do so but NOT for any other type of organisation or business.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #254
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662912#Comment_120662912

    I did, do you disagree then with the entire article? It has the relevant references.

    It's declared that God revealed himself through the OT which then through Jesus in the NT...so we just skip the OT?

    How about this then?

    The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.

    Indeed, “the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men.” “Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional,” the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God’s saving love: these writings “are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way.”

    Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void

    SO again, the OT is very essential to Catholic theology, despite what you seem to claim.


    I also love how you are laughing at me like I am the weird one here saying that the OT is literal, but you claim it's mainly philosophical...because that makes a HUGE difference.



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    #255
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660753#Comment_120660753

    Control of 90% of primary schools says the exact opposite. The church doesn't even fund these schools and in most cases didn't pay to build them either.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #256
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661180#Comment_120661180

    Hah, what crap!

    Atheism is not a religion, those even trying to claim that are clowns.

    The proposal isn't that there is no God, its that it may be said that there is no reason or evidence to believe that there is a god.

    It is just not a religion, at all.



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    #257
    Starfire20
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662576#Comment_120662576

    i love how the pointing out of, and disgust at the historical and ongoing rape of children by the RCC and its minions is referred to as "church bashing" in an attempt to sweep away the valid criticisms of that cult.



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    #258
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661180#Comment_120661180

    Totally incorrect

    Atheism is non-belief in a god or gods. That's all.

    Bone up on your Greek. The "a-" prefix means "not". So the word "atheist" means "not a theist" - a theist of course being a believer in a god or gods.

    So you got that 100% wrong.

    BTW you've also got the definition of agnostic wrong too. Atheists are almost invariably agnostics as well.

    Theism or atheism is about your position on belief

    Gnosticism or agnosticism is about your position on a claim to knowledge.

    So:

    • Gnostic theist claims to know for certain there are god(s).
    • Agnostic theist has belief in god(s) but does not claim to know for certain (most believers)
    • Agnostic atheist has no belief in god(s) but does not claim to know for certain (almost all non-believers)
    • Gnostic atheist claims to know for certain there are no god(s).

    Even Richard Dawkins does not claim to be a gnostic atheist. He just considers the existence of god(s) to be extremely improbable.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #259
    kowloonkev
    Registered Users Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662576#Comment_120662576

    There's no people more obsessed with the catholic church in Ireland than those who don't attend it.



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    #260
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661270#Comment_120661270

    Nobody at all would care about such a mismatch if we had secular health and education systems. What we do have is a dying church with substantial influence on health, very substantial on secondary education and a stranglehold on primary education and abusing these state-funded essential services to promote its ideology.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #261
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120663044#Comment_120663044

    There's no people more obsessed with the catholic church in Ireland than those who don't attend it forced to send their kids to the schools it controls even though they'd rather not.

    FYP

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #262
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659326#Comment_120659326

    Was there a former sewage chamber on the site of the Tuam home?

    Yes.

    Were human remains found in that chamber?

    Yes.

    If you want to argue that it wasn't a septic tank but a cesspit then knock yourself out (nobody outside of the Plumbing forum will care about that distinction) but we know it's only desperate attempts at deflection.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #263
    sniperman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭sniperman


    a priest was due to hear confessions one sunday,but got a bad dose of the runs,so he asked the alterboy to fill in for a while for him,he agreed reluctantly,anyway this man came into to the box,bless me father for i have sinned...last night while my wife was asleep,i i done her up the you know where and i feel terrible about it,and i need to make it up to her,well the boy answered back,if you want to make her feel better,just give her some milk and cookies,like the priest gives me.



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    #264
    Graysen Itchy Renter
    Posts: 13,688 ✭ Graysen Itchy Renter


    I'd love to see stats on Culturally Catholic vs. Religiously Catholic.



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    #265
    victor8600
    Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭victor8600


    I wonder how many people would still identify as religious if a church tax was introduced, like the one they have in Germany

    https://www.simplegermany.com/church-tax-germany/#:~:text=TLDR%3A%20If%20you%20are%20Catholic,need%20to%20pay%20church%20tax.

    It seems fair to me, if you are Muslim, or a Catholic, you should put your money into your church, right?



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    #266
    skallywag
    Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭skallywag


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661719#Comment_120661719

    Perhaps have a re-read of my post, as the context seems to have been lost on you.

    I was responding to the OP's initial reference to mass attendance.

    OP wrote: I'd bet my mortgage that 69% of the kids making their confirmunions at the moment don't attend mass with their parents every Sunday. (link to post here : https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657484/#Comment_120657484)

    I replied with: I would imagine that a large proportion of those who identify as Roman Catholic do not regularly go to mass (link to post here : https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657505/#Comment_120657505)

    Is it really not ok that I started my sentence with 'I would imagine ...' ?



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    #267
    Hotblack Desiato
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    It seems fair to me, if you are Muslim, or a Catholic, you should put your money into your church, right?

    Why should the state have anything to do with gathering the membership fees of a private club though?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #268
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41151124.html#:~:text=As%20participants%20could%20write%20a,were%20male%2C%20and%20288%20female.

    1,800 Jedis in Ireland...amazing.



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    #269
    Jock_Ewing
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭Jock_Ewing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662887#Comment_120662887

    No. One would be very foolish to believe what's taught in school. Research my friend 🙂

    Post edited by Jock_Ewing on


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    #270
    Jock_Ewing
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭Jock_Ewing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662925#Comment_120662925

    The naivety of your post is off the scale. Large minorities can be troublesome.

    There are some militant elderly atheists who spent all their lives campaigning against everything Catholicism. And in a lot of instances justifiably so. But you'll generally find they've thought very little about what follows. The void often leads to disillusionment, higher suicide rates and the like.

    They know everything and know nothing. In my experience the constant fighting, campaigning and antagonism leaves these people humourless and not much fun to be around.



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    #271
    Starfire20
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Starfire20


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120663325#Comment_120663325

    do you have any examples of stuff that's taught in school that isn't true or correct?

    besides religious studies of course.



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