Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482487#Comment_121482487

Why don't people in DP get it then? or people whose JB runs out after 9 months?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482487#Comment_121482487

A slightly odd aspect of all this is that it was common knowledge since day one that Ukrainians were on €220 a week (this was very well publicised) and yet it seemed to only become a talking point or controversial in October or so this year.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482420#Comment_121482420

Well no, it's not the only reason as there are larger issues at play here, including the fact that Ireland can't expect to forever be a country that reaps the benefits of its participation in Western economic prosperity without ever bearing any burden. In the last major refugee crisis in 2015, Ireland had 70 asylum applications per 100,000 people of its population. This was lower than all the following countries whose equivalent figure per 100k is expressed in brackets:

Hungary (1,770); Sweden (1,600); Austria (1,000); Norway (590); Finland (590): Germany (540); Switzerland (460); Luxembourg (420); Malta (390); Denmark (370); Belgium (350); Bulgaria (280); Netherlands (250) and Cyprus (250). The EU average was 250 — versus our 70.

But even now, half of all beneficiaries of temporary protection due to the war in Ukraine are either in Germany or Poland — who between them are hosting 2 million of such people.

The fact is that we have traditionally not had to bear any significant burden and the very things that you mention (ie, the ease of getting to other countries) was largely a reasom for that. This is the first time that Ireland has had to face any sort of significant refugee crisis and would have had to face it eventually regardless of whether people think that the apparently vast wealth a refugee gets from welfare should be reduced.

The timing of it all post-Covid and mid-housing crisis has exposed our inexperience and naivety in handling it. This does not make the government "clowns" any more so than the many countries who have had to deal with refugee influx for decades.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482532#Comment_121482532

People in DP are asylum seekers, not refugees🙄

People whose JB runs out can get it.

Photobox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482540#Comment_121482540

That's because it only became spoken about on RTE news /VM news/Varadkar around that time . It was like it had never occurred to anybody but officialdom that this should be questioned.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482609#Comment_121482609

For sure, but it was also no secret at all. I remember reading loads of times in 2022 that Ukrainian refugees were receiving €220 a week.

hotmail.com

Slashing the dole given to Ukrainians doesn't appear to have been labelled "far right" yet.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482542#Comment_121482542

We all know that "temporary protection" is permanent, and as a general question, why does the West have this duty to bear this burden? Who decided that the west need to be home for the whole world?

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482676#Comment_121482676

Because it's in the governments best interest.

As such it's now about "best practices" and "bringing it in line with EU norms".

But the slashing/time limit is meant to only apply to those not here yet, so limited pushback from those already on the take either directly or the NGO middle men.

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482676#Comment_121482676

That's because the term "far right" is applied to people who disagree with FF/FG.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121483382#Comment_121483382

And with Sinn Fein, Labour, Soc Dems, Greens, PBP etc. The Gript crowd have all of Dáil Eireann and the entire Irish media down as part of the cosy, liberal, pro-immigration consensus.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482843#Comment_121482843

It's not though, that's just lies. The west doesn't bear the burden.

Current refugees worldwide:

Islamic Republic of Iran3.4 million

Türkiye3.4 million

Germany2.5 million

Colombia2.5 million

Pakistan2.1 million

Source; UNHCR, refugees data finder.

So just one 'western ' country then

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121483425#Comment_121483425

https://reporting.unhcr.org/europe#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20forcibly%20displaced,and%20474%2C000%20who%20were%20stateless.

22 fking millions, there are countries smaller than that. Lies, you say? How much is too much? Do we wait until we don't recognize Europe anymore, or not even then we won't stop taking them in?

toucheswood

Mass migration is an economic tool used to undermine society at large in order to extract financial gain for a few from the resultant pressure.

Mass migration promotes inequality, both financially and socially.

Mass migration undermines strong societal networks such as unionisation and overall solidarity.

Mass migration increases competition for resource, artificially raising cost of resource and artificially decreasing availability of resource.

Mass migration artificially deflates the likes of minimum wage.

Mass migration lowers the likelihood of natural population increase or stability to below replacement rate.

Mass migration promotes political antagonism.

Mass migration is a rapidly growing problem for most people, and the above is a taste of why that is, all across Europe.

Don't be confused between the deliberate ambiguation of the word migrant and the word migration. One is an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes with individualisation, the other is an economic weapon.

There are no accidents in the policy of mass migration adopted by the likes of the Irish government. As pointed out in an article earlier regarding housing

"Much of the present crisis is not in fact a result of “failures” of housing policy, but is actual government policy: promoting the financialisation of housing and prioritising the commodity value of housing over the basic need for a home"

This whole fiasco will go down as the stupidest, most greed induced, short sighted and damaging ideas in the history of the Republic. Which is quite the feat.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121481367#Comment_121481367

There's been no edit. I still see you won't admit you were posting false information though.

Juran

I dont blame anyone who recieves free money, accomidation and other benefits from the state, be they Irish dole heads, Ukranians, or bogus AS. Root cause is the government and our immigration & welfare system. Its totally flawed.

We need both skilled and unsilled workers in this country. Solution: 1. send our young healthy long term unemployed to work, or lose benefits (never been attempted, wonder why?). 2. Have a proper visa system. Everyone can apply, if you meet the needs of the work force, you get in, you get to work, you pay your way.

However, we need houses / apartments and lots of them. Its unfair to allow working immigrants, international students, AS, IPA's, etc into this country if they cannot find safe affordable accomidation.

Its a huge mess, it will take years to fix, and I honestly dont see any political party being able to fix this in the short term.

Ps. I read a 674 bed student accomidation opened in Galway Uni campus today. The photos Looks great. This blue print needs to be copied and paste not only across all colleges, but also for low income child free singles & young couples, many who be happy with the set up for a few years, to be able to save up.

I read it cost €95million, thats to house 674 people. Not bad, when you compare to €10million to build a tiny social housing estate of around 25 houses, including cost of the land.

Rent should based on for example 10%, 15% or max 20% of net income. Yes, subsidised, but wht not ? Our unemployed get practically all rent paid, some over €1,000 a month. Workers of any nationality should get priority, the ones getting up every morning, contributing to society, paying taxes, etc. If they have a visa to work here, they should have the same right to a room as eveyone else, Irish, EU, UK or non EU.

These sort of high density temporary accomidations halls would also free up houses and apartments for families.

Edit: correction 674, not 640 as I had earlier stated.

MagicJohn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482487#Comment_121482487

WRONG, the directive states; "Access to social welfare OR means of subsistence if necessary"

Subsistence doesn't mean living a life of comparative luxury because you have virtually no living expenses - but this is what is happening in Ireland!

The welfare should be cut to the ~€40 per week that those in direct provision get, BUT IT SHOULD BE FOR ALL UKRAINIANS NOT JUST NEW ENTRANTS.

Time to start working!

We have enough bums already in the country.

https://www.tent.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Guidance-for-European-Companies-on-Hiring-Refugees-From-Ukraine_March2023_Poland.pdf

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121483469#Comment_121483469

Still stands that the West doesn't bear the brunt, like you claimed. There are more refugees in non West countries.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484176#Comment_121484176

refugees, are entitled to welfare, same as other people living in the country.

maybe they can get around it, because Ukrainians are here on a temporary protection basis. They're still refugees though

MagicJohn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484269#Comment_121484269

"OR means of subsistence if necessary"

Gee, golly gee, I guess that little word "OR" means it's a choice doesn't it?

Yes a choice, as in they (the Government) doesn't have to pay them full welfare with all the outrageous trimmings.

Paul_Hacket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484269#Comment_121484269

No they're not. You're flat wrong on this, as you are about many things. There is no legal requirement to give refugees the same social welfare assistance made available to actual citizens of a country. This has already been shown to you by a different poster above. I have zero respect for people who post false information when they've been shown to be wrong. And if you feel that you are correct, the solution is simple: post a credible link showing that refugees are entitled to the same benefits as citizens.

Burty330

The far- right syndicate of Ireland have used social media to organise a dangerous rasict assembly in Rosslare

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1734255706021257503

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484253#Comment_121484253

It does actually bear the brunt of an ethnic and cultural transformation unseen anywhere else. And not for the better.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484253#Comment_121484253

You'll be bearing it real soon. And you're not going to like it.

hotmail.com

Confirmation tonight that the Government has lurched to the far right - Dole for future Ukrainians coming here cut by 80% to just 38 euro from January according to RTE.

Draconian and mean measure that is sure to arouse accusations of right wing populism and trying to buy votes off racists in the upcoming elections.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484364#Comment_121484364

Gee golly gosh, pretty sure everyone knows what or means 🙄

You seem to misunderstand me, refugees are entitled to social welfare. Ukrainian refugees may be different as they have been given temporary protection.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484391#Comment_121484391

• https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/refugee-status-and-leave-to-remain/your-rights-when-you-get-international-protection/#:~:text=After%20you%20are%20declared%20a,Access%20education%20and%20training
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• Get the same medical care and apply for the same social welfare and housing supports as an Irish citizen
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• I will accept your apology, when you make it.

Oh, and from the 12 posters who thanked your completely wrong and personally insulting post.

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484597#Comment_121484597

But Ukrainians can still come here and are safe. They have a PPS number so can earn decent money.

This is a mess of the governments making. Ukrainians living in other countries for months are hopping over here knowing they have the same welfare as people already here. A shocking waste of taxpayers money.

Are all other EU countries far right ? Because no other country offered such high welfare as stupid Paddy.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484502#Comment_121484502

Ah yes, you have been asked before what you mean by your constant threatening posts, but you don't seem to answer that........

hotmail.com

And they've said after 90 days you're out onto the streets.