Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Unicorn Milk Latte

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519194#Comment_121519194

You're drawing conclusions from things I don't say??

OK.🙄🙄🙄

I also did not mention deportation.

You can find stats for the number of Irish people living abroad here:

https://www.globalirish.ie/issues/how-many-irish-people-live-abroad-an-ean-factsheet/

These numbers are, of course, a direct contradiction of things like the replacement theory, and other racist conspiracy theories, that claim that Ireland is 'full' or 'overrun by immigrants' and similar nonsense.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518993#Comment_121518993

No. It means people care more about a war thousands of miles away then they do about immigration to this country

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519186#Comment_121519186

You are 100% correct, take the construction industry. Its nearly impossible now to find the skills in this industry. From shuttering, joinery, block/brick laying, ground working etc and many more industries are the same. How does it make sense to let all our trained and skilled workers leave and fill the places left with alot of unskilled. Recipe for disaster is an understatement.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518955#Comment_121518955

I agree, they should never have been built, but they were and have stood idle and empty for nearly 20 years.

The hotel however has been there for decades, unfortunately, times change, No one wanted to go to the small local hotel and instead had their events in larger fancier hotels built in the surrounding areas. So it stood closed for many years.

Both are now occupied and look much better, the people living in them are making their lives in the town and are a welcome addition to the town

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519157#Comment_121519157

Which we basically have, approx 700,000 foreign nationals living here and 1.5 million Irish born living elsewhere.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519564#Comment_121519564

Why? Almost no one protesting either of those issues. Can't judge interest in an issue by lack of protests. Not many protesting the health system at the moment, that doesn't mean its thumbs up to the government performance. Most people are too busy and people that attend lots of protests are generally a pain in the hole.

zell12

Does this mean her landlord is being funded by €800pw tax-free by taxpayers? And Odesa is clearly not safe?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ukrainians-facing-homelessness-ive-been-working-since-i-arrived-but-two-years-later-i-still-cant-afford-to-rent/a1457110549.html

jack of all

I think much of the above argument (on the pro- immigration control side) could be reduced to the following: Irish taxpayers and Irish citizens generally are being burdened with a huge and unsustainable cost in supporting unfettered immigration- none of which was ever put to the Irish electorate at the polling booth. This diversion of Irish taxpayer's money is directly impacting (and heavily so) on Irish taxpayers and their children- we have everything to lose with very little to gain. Any gains in the short to medium term will be made by property owners and certain companies that provide services. Ordinary taxpayers like me don't attend protests because we are working/ can't afford to take time off and, significantly don't want to be labelled as "far right" for expressing a viewpoint which is at odds with most of the main media messages. Filling properties that were long term vacant with immigrants and paying for same using taxpayers money does not benefit anyone other than the property owner- the taxpayer foots the bill, yet again... Have I mentioned the taxpayer enough? Yes, the humble taxpayer who pays for it all but doesn't get a say in how it's spent, until next year maybe. Anyway hopefully the Ukrainians will enjoying spending their Christmas bonus back at home, while we (taxpayers) work to pay for it all.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517034#Comment_121517034

I'm beginning to think Mary and the rest of the shinners are secretly hoping they don't do as well in the next election as many are predicting because the situation isn't going to improve over the next 14 months which is the latest a GE can be called and the incoming Government are going to be just as unpopular as this one is.

gormdubhgorm

In 1961 the English discussed the possibility of limiting immigration of the people from 'Eire'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR-xyYf53yQ

I bet many from this thread have past relatives that moved 'across the water'.

I think some have short memories.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519926#Comment_121519926

Ah yes, all our grandparents and parents who went over and leeched off the British tax payer, got lovely 3 bed houses in new estates and a payments for doing a super job at doing nothing, oh no wait - they went to work and worked hard across many industries which suited the UK as they wanted the skilled work at the time.

I think you’d find if there was large groups of people wanting to move to Ireland to work in our hospitals and in construction we’d take them no problem. There is not though because the cost of living outweighs any wage gain.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519926#Comment_121519926

You do realise that the geography, genetics, history and people of these islands are closely entwinned? We are birds of a feather pretty much, even though we dislike the Brits. Of course Irish people went, to dig tunnels and motorways and work in hospitals and factories etc. Others of us stayed behind and built Ireland up.

That is most certainly not the case with the current inflow of economic migrants, looking to bypass the 'rules' as Leo puts it.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519092#Comment_121519092

If it wasn't Ukraine it would be something else , wait till the calls to take in Palestinians .

Actually if I remember correctly COVID is getting the blame for the backlog of immigrants wanting to come here

Galwayguy35

Cormac Lucey speaking facts over on VM1

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520366#Comment_121520366

Yeah, he's deadly - nice if they'd let him talk though

Even the defenders are basically admitting people are coming here for nothing more than a better life

tikka16751

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520366#Comment_121520366

If he could get a chance to talk, those two presenters have no manners.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520083#Comment_121520083

The narrator at the end of that documentary says in conclusion: "The million Irish who live in Britain find it hard to see themselves as any different from us" and then admits that British people themselves identify with the Irish more than they do with other migrants.

So the BBC answers its own question about limiting Irish immigration in the negative due to the same point you have the made - the relatedness of Irish and British people.

But pro-immigrationist political liberals, instead of seeing the wisdom of this, invoke purely abstract categories of personhood: if an Irish person can settle successfully in a Scottish city then staggering numbers of African Muslims, Uzbeks and Azerbaijanis should be dropped into West Kerry.

In a purely economic sense, one economic unit is interchangeable with any other economic unit. But if we admit that life is more than economics then it follows that human beings are more than just chess pieces.

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520366#Comment_121520366

He seems by the end to just have an issue with the shortages of houses/services. If there was more space, he'd be happy to drop any many as he could anywhere

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519926#Comment_121519926

You know nothing of the people who emigrated from Ireland. If you did you certainly wouldn't be using this as a like for like. Very insulting to lots of people who left this country with nothing and worked mainly heavy hard jobs.

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519186#Comment_121519186

irish people leaving is negated by the fact that almost the same number of Irish people are returning each year as are leaving. Immigration has actually increased the skills base of our labour force. According to the Central Bank…

"The proportion of all immigrants with third level qualifications has increased from 47 per cent in 2009 to just under 70 per cent in 2022. Although the proportion of emigrants with third level has also increased, overall net inward migration continues to be dominated by those with the highest level of educational attainment. In contrast, with the exception of 2022, in all previous years back to 2009 there was net outward migration of those with secondary level qualifications and below – the number of emigrants in this group exceeded the number of immigrants. These developments are consistent with brain gain with net migration boosting the skills base of the labour force over time."

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519186#Comment_121519186

Ask any Irish person why they emigrated and I very much doubt the answer would be "I left because of immigrants and immigration". How come we never hear of the anti-immigration crowd and the protesters leaving Ireland because the country is 'full' or 'overpopulated'? They all seem to be still here and complaining how miserable their lives are.

Asdfgh2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518955#Comment_121518955

So Does this justify local morons torching the hotel…?

lmimmfn

Heard Micky D's speech today on the radio, I like the guy, voted for him but for fook sake the absolute shite he was spouting(embrace immigration, the value of immigration to our culture) made me turn off the radio and now I absolutely hate the guy.

How's about you Micky D take a load of those single male fakeugees into your big house in Aras, see how that works out and stop pontificating, asshole.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520794#Comment_121520794

Micky D is the persona of what it means to be a champagne socialist. If the dictionary contained images, his mugshot could be used without ever printing a word.

His 'love' for 'Itherish Powetry' might have fooled a fair few for voting for someone with Irish Heritage and Culture in their heart, but he's been long since found out as a closest communist.

tabby aspreme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520851#Comment_121520851

His love of 'Itherish Powetry' is only surpassed by his love of South American murderous despots