Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

snl rory

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121579996#Comment_121579996

Untrue , the 2004 referendum which saw 80% in favor, was called due to large amounts of scammers arriving in Ireland heavily pregnant.

There all were all in DP Centre's until they got social housing curtesy of the Irish taxpayer. People for the most part are not happy with asylum seekers arriving here and getting services and housing from their taxes.

Coolcormack1979

The Irish don’t really protest unless really pushed too far.they riot at the ballot box and hopefully come the referendum in March and locals in June the riot happens with the auld pencil

Jizique

Slow quagmire just like the approval process - drag the arse out of it over 2 years with another 3 for appeals and "shure we might as well give him citizenship at this stage, he hasnt murdered anyone"

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121579982#Comment_121579982

Serious turnout there, a lot of votes on the ground. No one giving a hoot what rte, the Indo or the panti bliss's on twitter think.

The game is up - I hope all the cheerleaders of this are social pariahs in years to come n the gravy train is worth it.

DoyDK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580039#Comment_121580039

Well said.

This country is riddled with parasites. And I'm not talking about migrants.

Still, there's absolutely no way they haven't considered the potential consequences and fallout from all of this. Look out for any "solutions" presented over the coming years to address the problems being currently created.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580275#Comment_121580275

I'm not saying your wrong but if the people of Ireland elect another Fianna Fáil Fianna Gael coalition then next time a poll is called, then what does that say about the majority of people's wishes and primary concerns?

snl rory

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580295#Comment_121580295

The game is and now the average punter isn't afraid to stand up anymore, its going to quickly become very difficult for the government to find accommodation for IPA's. another 15,000 expected this year.

How do they square this circle . Wild times ahead I think.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580005#Comment_121580005

Many of these temporary accommodation places are pre-existing buildings that have accommodated people before - they are not even proposing to build new refugee centres in these areas.

Where were the protests and arson attacks on the 25 direct provision centres which opened around the country between 2017 and 2022? The only thing that has changed in the meantime is that the far right and racists have become far more active on social media.

Juran

I posted the text below on the 'time for zero refugee .. .. ' forum. And I appreciate this discussion applied to immigration, but it is very relayed, as the majority of citizens believe that the asylum seekers are economic migrants immigrating here based on false asylum claims (destroying documets, passing safe countries to come here, etc..).

I wasnt able to post the link, but the stats are complelling.

We grant 83% applicants asylum, France and Sweden around 30%. Why is that? As a country we deserve to know why the significant difference. Are the french and swedish better are weeding out false claims ?

Daily Mail today:

Ireland grants asylum to a 83% of migrant applicants. 

"Estonia (97.7 per cent), Switzerland (87.1 per cent), Ireland (83 per cent), Portugal (81.9 per cent) the Netherlands (81.7 per cent) and Lithuania (80.2 per cent) are the only countries to rank above Britain"

"Romania had the lowest approval rate at 14.4 per cent, with Cyprus (17.8 per cent), Malta (28.3 per cent), France (30.6 per cent), Iceland (30.9 per cent) and Sweden (31.4 per cent) following"

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580179#Comment_121580179

Must be a hape of rural back benchers thinking of jumping ship, hopefully a few align into a party.

If it's 12 months to election they've zero chance of re election if this continues.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580366#Comment_121580366

What is this video supposed to mean exactly. What is the context and subtext I'm not getting here?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580302#Comment_121580302

I think a political re-alignment over mass migration will take longer than one election cycle. I don't see how it could happen more quickly than that though who knows.

At this point we are still in the unfolding of a slow political realignment which started to see green shoots in 2011 and another growth spurt in 2014 - SF rising to become a serious party, subsuming part of the traditional FF vote. This pushed FG and FF closer together.

Sleep on it if you want but a political re-alignment over immigration has now become much more likely thanks to the brick wall of arrogance that has been put up in place of any kind of recognition of local and ordinary people's anxieties and wishes on this issue.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580331#Comment_121580331

Are ourselves and the UK receiving more 'genuine' refugees perhaps? Both countries are harder to get to and to enter because of being outside the Schengen Area. I'd be interested to hear more discussion of this and about the discrepancies from experts in the field.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580381#Comment_121580381

Oh so everyone really wants change they just don't want it when they have a once in five year chance.

Stop, if ff and fg are the next government I assume people here will accept the majority are ok with the status quo.

And stop the incessant silent majority whining.

And no I'm not a supporter or member of either party.

Juran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580383#Comment_121580383

It shows the vetting / approval process is not consistant across the EU for one thing.

France has a huge huge shortage of workers right now. Bigger shortage than Ireland, I have a holiday house there and know this as i have family living there and we watch the frech news most nights. Yet, they are not approving everyone willy nilly, like Ireland is.

Exactly, we have the right to know what the approval process enrails, and why are we top approvers in this country. We also need tradesmen & skilled workers, nurses, doctors, engineers, but the current wave or AS will not provide the answer.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580406#Comment_121580406

I gave my reasoning. Assume what you like.

Both pro-immigation and anti-immigration people on this thread seem to think political change is like flipping a switch. Yet my own observation is that it's more like turning a large ocean liner around.

We'll see anyway.

ballshyballet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580406#Comment_121580406

Here's what I see happening.

You have essentially 3 parties selling the same shyt.

You can only vote for one of these three, so any vote is only ever going to reinforce the idea of status quo.

It absolutely is not representative of reality, and it'll be short hop to the next election after that as the pressure builds to offer something other than "mass migration good".

We're in for years of it yet, and each year will, in the void of political choice, be more and more violent.

Cause and effect.

snl rory

Big study from the Dutch on the cost/benefits of migrants.

https://demo-demo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Borderless_Welfare_State-2.pdf , someone should show the Irish government.

Muph89

Do these protest groups all still pretend that they'd actually love to welcome refugees, it's just that the building doesn't have a fire safety certificate and the area doesn't have enough GPs/public heath nurses/Buses for more people? 🙄

ebbsy

Heard an interview on Newstalk yesterday from some Nigerian who somehow was allowed into the country and sent out onto the streets.

He was complaining about the conditions.

The UK has the right idea.

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580503#Comment_121580503

But at least he’s safe from whatever persecution he was fleeing from Nigeria. That’s the reason he came here, right?

tikka16751

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580487#Comment_121580487

The Dublin 4 need to consult their legal team before they can answer that one.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580487#Comment_121580487

That is the D4 view - or seems to be

enricoh

6 cops landed at the Galway Fianna fail councillors house this morning at 6am. A shot across the bows from our rulers.

No doubt the same resources are going into the lads swinging knives in tuam on new year's Eve, just a matter of priorities Helen n Roderick ain't it?!

It’s a joke,” said Cllr Noel Thomas, who was woken at 6am by a team of gardaí attached to the Galway Divisional Crime unit supported by the National Bureau of Crime Investigation. “The question I want to ask is where is this coming from?

Councillor Thomas and his family including his wife and four children were in the house at the time of the search. “All we could hear was doors banging, windows banging and lights shining in the windows and shouting. “There was a lad from Dublin leading it and then five or six local guards.

highpressisbest

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580383#Comment_121580383

So let’s be clear on your logic here. Travelling through multiple safe countries to get to Ireland means it is more likely that you are genuine than someone who presents at the first EU country they land in?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580605#Comment_121580605

Hmm. Exactly who is acting like far right fascists?

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121579978#Comment_121579978

So let's fill rural towns with fellas from Morocco, Egypt,Georgia . What a fantastic idea.

Or the government could get off their holes and regenerate these areas for people living legally In the country who pay their way.

Other countries as the above poster has mentioned have much higher rejection rates. We are a big exception in Europe with our soft application process.

In 10 years time our rural towns will be absolute kips with lads who don't give a damn about Ireland.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121579977#Comment_121579977

What is your problem with men?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580020#Comment_121580020

The 2004 referendum was held in order to right the mistake made in the 1999 referendum.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121580331#Comment_121580331

Estonia (97.7 per cent), Switzerland (87.1 per cent), Ireland (83 per cent), Portugal (81.9 per cent) the Netherlands (81.7 per cent) and Lithuania (80.2 per cent) 

Ireland is not an outlier then