Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

L.Ball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722427#Comment_121722427

BTW - two children of the migrants 'dropped' onto Germany in the last decades saved millions of lives, by developing the first Covid vaccine.

dalyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722365#Comment_121722365

That works both ways. The government can’t veto people’s will. They were not elected on the basis of importing countless asylum seekers destroying small towns businesses & infrastructure.

All this and arrogantly expecting the same people who pay the state taxes to roll over like good serfs & fund this resettlement lunacy.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722427#Comment_121722427

Great news, maybe you also have stats on how many of the 1 million Merkel let in back in 2015 achieved anything at all.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722365#Comment_121722365

Seems to be a bit of a veto going on in the posh parts of Dublin.

Even Gary Gannon, a member of a party that has wokeness coming out it's ears said wealthy areas aren't taking their fair share of migrants.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722399#Comment_121722399

You are showing clear ignorance of the law in this instance.

"If you want to make a “material change” to how you use your land or buildings, you will need planning permission. A material change means a significant change that will have an impact on your neighbours or your local community."

Own it.

Sunny Disposition

There is no question planning has been set aside for refugee accommodation. You can argue it is the right thing to do, but one can’t argue that buildings which received planning permission for other purposes are not now being used to accommodate refugees on a fairly long term basis.

To a certain extent that has stoked up problems, the normal formal channels to have one’s views heard are not available. Of course that’s no excuse for blockades or arson. But to an extent it explains some of the milder protests.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721646#Comment_121721646

How is SDs long term future attained if they arent in govt?

I dont think FFG care whether its the SDs, the Greens or Labour or a bunch of Indies.

Its all just make up the numbers stuff.

A means to an end.

Same as the Tories were with the DUP a few years back.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721728#Comment_121721728

Voting for whom?

Nobody is advocating change. Thats the point you are missing.

LongfordMB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722427#Comment_121722427

They came as legal guest workers from turkey. His father worked in the Ford factory in cologne. So basically the equivalent of our legal work visa system. Nothing to do with the fraudulent asylum system.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722427#Comment_121722427

Luke O'Neill is Irish, he cured covid, founded U2 and cŕeated AI

LongfordMB

Why do we only have 10 countries on our safe list when netherlands has 33? As usual the irish have to be different. We need a common EU list.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722780#Comment_121722780

it wont happen immediately but gradually and suddenly new parties and combinations will emerge that reflect voter new preferences over time

Backstreet Moyes

Considering nobody is being caught for these fires you would have to think some of them are inside jobs.

Able to avoid security and cameras, sounds like someone who knows a building.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723251#Comment_121723251

I've been heaqring talk of new political forces on the right for three decades and nothing much has ever come of it. I'm not seeing any clear signs as yet that immigration will be the wedge issue to force this breakthrough. If the dramatic fall in the number of Ukranians coming in continues over the coming months then I believe much of the heat will go out of the issue and it will fall back down the political agenda.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723419#Comment_121723419

This is a risky position to take. Ignore far right political forces at your peril. These are very different times. I seen Irish Freedom Party have announced 8 candidates for the local elections. Will be interesting to see the volume of votes they get. I think there will be a lot of protest votes and they might give us real shock. It might well go from "Ah sure these lads won't do anything to - oh F**k, they could actually get some people elected to the Dáil" Hopefully I am wrong!

And they do not really have to do anything to pick up votes. Just sit back and watch the Govt make bad decision after bad decision.

bertieinexile

If you want an idea of just how unfit for purpose the government are on immigration try this:

Nigeria was not added to the "list of safe countries" for which asylum applications can be speeded up (and rejected)

Why? Well it turned out the Greens, yes the Greens, wanted Nigeria added to the list but McEntee resisted. Reason being she had made a commitment to have safe country applications processed within a fixed number of weeks and adding Nigeria would have made it hard to keep that commitment.

I promise to crackdown but - since there's so many of them - cracking down on Nigerians would make me look bad by breaking a promise on processing times so Nigerians can keep flooding on in.

"Ms McEntee also revealed during the week that the Government considered adding Nigeria and Pakistan to the 'safe countries' list too, but concluded they did not meet all the criteria.

It is understood that the Green Party was keen to add Nigeria to the ‘safe countries’ list, with suggestions within Government that the justice department pushed back on adding the African country due to concerns that application processing targets would not be met due to the high volume of people arriving from the country. However, sources within Ms McEntee’s department moved to dismiss this as a deciding factor."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41324623.html

LongfordMB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723669#Comment_121723669

If that's true she should be sacked instantly for that. This is what happens when politicians get in due to nepotism and gender quotas rather than competence.

bertieinexile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121720300#Comment_121720300

But a group of indies have different values and cant form a govt.

Unlike previously, the Independents this time round are hearing the same problems and the same demands in each of their constituencies.

The political forces that exist are driving them together and compelling them to act more like a party.

Previously the political forces in play were centrifugal and driving them apart.

https://joblog.substack.com/p/if-it-walks-like-a-party-and-it-quacks

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723129#Comment_121723129

The Soc Dems are angry that its even been increased to ten, they were whinging last week about Algeria being added to the list.

Suppose that sits well with their voter base all right knowing none of the migrants will be arriving in their leafy neighbourhoods.

Patrick2010

See the article in today’s Indo about the Irish woman looking for just 100k for treatment abroad that has an 80% success rate but the HSE has refused her. Meanwhile we are spending billions looking after the rest of the world.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723419#Comment_121723419

15 k arriving here every year from outside Europe and it will disappear down the political agenda?

Oh and lets get real here most of the Ukrainians are going nowhere and that war could drag on for a long time yet.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723860#Comment_121723860

It will drag on imo because there are no efforts to bring about a ceasefire, however shaky, instead a constant pouring of petrol on the fire of an unwinnable war

Unicorn Milk Latte

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723463#Comment_121723463

Agreed. In Germany, the AfD gained government seats to a large part due to 'protest voters', who are - understandably - unhappy with politics in general. The large scale protests going on in Germany right now are, hopefully, a bit of a wake up call for these types of voters.

There is an immense amount of infighting in racist circles. The one thing all racists truly have in common is that they claim 'I'm not a racist, just a concerned citizen' - usually right before or after saying something racist.

Calling out their BS and not giving them an inch is crucially important, IMHO. The enormous number of people protesting against racists in Germany certainly gives hope.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723884#Comment_121723884

That could change if Trump gets in and the number of weapons being sent from America is reduced.

Europe would be expected to step in and I don't think they would be able to supply anywhere near what would be needed to keep the war going.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723463#Comment_121723463

But even if they were to get a few TDs elected to the Dáil, they would be very unlikely to get anywhere near government. Witness how PBP and the Anti Austerity Alliance never managed to get into the seats of power. At most, you'd just have a few fellas making angry speeches about immigration and refugees in a half empty chamber. It's very difficult to imagine seeing a far right party as a member of a coalition government in Ireland given our history and political DNA.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121724002#Comment_121724002

Agreed. As much as the far right on here would love it, I'm afraid it's just never going to happen for them. Just cant see it in this country. The best thing about it is their conduct puts people off and they don't even realise it.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723860#Comment_121723860

15 K a year doesn't seem like an unmanageable number to me for a wealthy country of 5 million

The Ukranians who are already here don't seem to be causing much trouble. The chief issue with that cohort seems to be finding accommodation for them and if the number coming in falls of a cliff then that problem should become much more manageable.

Galwayguy35

Well you could say the same thing about PBP, every time small Paul makes a video or tweets something he is losing votes from people in working class areas.

Northernlily

Pitiful crowd at the Garden of Rememberance led by a few absolute headbangers.

Whilst we need a tightening of controls, at least people are intelligent enough to distance themselves from these racist nuts.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121724222#Comment_121724222

The Government was in a real struggle to build enough houses in order to bring down the numbers of homeless in hotels before the war started at all and the number in DP was only about 7 k, yet you seem to think 15 k a year arriving is manageable.

Bear in mind the Ukrainians already here will be looking for houses to live in as well because as I said earlier most of them have put down roots here now and see the quality of life is better so won't have any interest in going back to a debt ridden country where the wages are peanuts compared to what they can earn here.