Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Sunny Disposition

The commentary around immigration is so disingenuous.

Anyone with an ounce of sense can see there has been too much immigration. There is a shortage of houses, of school places and of hospital beds, saying less immigration is required is like saying water is wet, it's really that obvious.

But some jackasses pretend they know better. People saying that the health service is staffed by immigrants; that actually shows how immigration might work, that people with certain skills be prioritised, as is the case in many countries.

When you see yesterday that some kids won't be able to get a school place next year you know that the likes of Eamon Ryan and Varadkar know they are not telling the truth about Ireland's capacity to take more immigrants. The Government are a disgrace, and their cowardice around the issue is opening the door to very far-right populism.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121731334#Comment_121731334

Don't be silly - we welcome back the prodigal sons and daughters. They are our responsibility. We don't have responsibility for the economic migrants of other states outside the EU.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121731290#Comment_121731290

You are like the person who complains that their roof is leaking. But instead of fixing the roof, you argue that it's better to pull off more slates.

That instead of budgeting to buy the slates to fix your own roof, you propose to pay to hire a fire engine to pour more water on your roof.

Deluded.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733051#Comment_121733051

You talk about immigrants with skills - but many of them are doing jobs that Irish people don't want to do such as waste disposal, food processing, filling stations, cleaners, kitchen staff, delivery people etc etc.

Once you have succeeded in stopping them taking those jobs, how do you propose filling the numerous labour shortages in those areas? What is your plan?

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733340#Comment_121733340

I see plenty of Irish doing all those jobs.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733359#Comment_121733359

Bin lorries, food delivery people, petrol stations, cleaners, fast food places, meat factories.....really?

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733340#Comment_121733340

Limited immigration should always be allowed. If there are skills shortages there can be a certain liberalisation, but basically if there are labour shortages first and foremost employers need to make the roles more attractive to the indigenous population.

Using mass immigration to help business is a short sighted solution, because you don’t just get workers, you get people, who need services.

Again this stuff can be managed, other countries have limited points based immigration, some have so-called green card lotteries, sponsorship opportunities for limited numbers.

The important thing is that it is managed cautiously, so our country does not end up with kids having to be home schooled due to lack of capacity, an intense long term lack of housing and hospitals that can’t cope with the populations in their catchment areas.

It is possible for the country to continue with different immigration policies to what are in place currently.

Frankly any one who claims that it is not is being disingenuous.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733359#Comment_121733359

There's also the question of whether for these jobs the employers deliberately choose immigrants who may not know their rights under employment law, or would not feel confident in asserting those rights, where an Irish person would. On garages for example, a lot these jobs used to be done by college students working part time etc. Not any more, it seems to be nearly 100% Indians now. So it's not as simple as the Irish don't want to work.

Unicorn Milk Latte

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121732962#Comment_121732962

Just to point it out, for those who haven't noticed: the source you're linking to is a far right website, that has the 'I'm not a racist, just a concerned citizen' schtick down to a t.

Check out the Wikipedia page of the website founder and editor, to learn about his advertising of 'British Union of Fascists' posters by the anti abortion crowd, his support of anti-vax conspiracies, etc.

If you want to start your day with a good round of vomiting, have a look at that website, and all the racist BS they propagate.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121732290#Comment_121732290

So we should just stuff the country full of people because Netherlands, Belgium etc have huge populations?

Nobody wants all immigration to stop what most people don't want is a massive increase in population while deciding to not bother improving infrastructure and services.What people don't want is people who's first act upon entering the county is to try and cheat the system and emigrate here illegally rather than doing it legally.Successive governments have decided to put the cart before the horse and allow massive population increase without any proper attempt to improve our infrastructure that is what has people pissed off.

You do know there are loads of immigrants in Ireland who think the current immigration situation is out of control?

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733530#Comment_121733530

This is another tactic from people who want no discussion on immigration, or no limits on immigration. They pretend people who don't agree with them want 100% of immigration to stop. Pretend that there are only two choices, that limiting immigration or allowing targeted immigration is an impossibility.

Again, it is entirely disingenuous and it is opening the door to the far right.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121732998#Comment_121732998

Someone with skills that we require n a net taxpayer? Roll out the red carpet for him n tell him to spread the word.

130k refugees , who'll be costing us billions a year- thanks but no thanks.

No doubt prime time will be visiting another rural GP practice that is at breaking point due to being inundated by additional medical card holding refugees using their practice.

( Probably in next weeks episode!)

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121732523#Comment_121732523

You want to abolish JSA?

What about the many homeless this would affect? I thought this anti-immigration movement was about looking after the Irish homeless first?

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733526#Comment_121733526

Are u disputing the PPS figures in the link? Or just shooting the messenger?!

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733641#Comment_121733641

You do you.

Increasingly we can't attract the skilled migrants we need due to no housing, schools, creches doctors. These people have plenty other countries to go that'll benefit instead.

We seem to have no problem attracting refugees -130k n rising.

Fairly sustainable stuff!

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733625#Comment_121733625

Are many homeless on JSA?

Given that there are loads of jobs available, yes, we should consider abolishing JSA.

There are 35,000 construction workers on the Live Register. I think this is wrong. We should not be paying UN payments to construction workers in the middle of a labour shortage.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733755#Comment_121733755

I don't see any figures available for homeless on JSA but I know homelessness services offer help in accessing JSA for those without a permanent residence so I'd say quite a few.

Where are you getting this figure of 35,000 construction workers on the live register?

Also, what effect do you think abolishing JSA will have on wages for lower skills workers, you know the ones who are currently struggling to afford rent and pay bills?

This is exactly why people need to be wary of a 'further to the right' government.

Unicorn Milk Latte

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733772#Comment_121733772

Completely agree.

That being said - it is to be expected that a thread about immigration naturally attracts racists, and gives them a megaphone to spread their BS.

Which always follows the same pattern: Look at whichever things are currently of concern in a country - jobs, housing, medical care, crime, - anything, adjusted for wherever you live (like high unemployment in rural east German areas), create an artificial, factually wrong connection to immigration, classify immigrants as second class citizens (PPS numbers for VALUABLE Irish people vs. INFERIOR foreigners), and blame the immigrants for the politics of local politicians. Plus, a good dose of fearmongering: "what are you going to do when MILLIONS of Mexicans/Ukrainians/Syrians/Palestinians/Jews/Nigerians/... enter the country, IN CARAVANS???"

Here in the real world, the local 'foreigners' have nothing to do with the greed of local landlords, they work as doctors in the health centre in the village, in the pharmacy in the next village, run a cafe, run food outlets (Turkish, Chinese, Italian,..). A few of the very best local musicians in Irish Traditional Music are not even Irish. And if you drive 45 minutes, from here to Galway, you can not only see the outstanding work of 'foreign' doctors in University Hospital, but also observe how brilliant and lively a multicultural environment is in arts, culture, community.

smallbeef

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733641#Comment_121733641

Land of 250 euro they said.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121731550#Comment_121731550

Not joking and I'm not suggesting government for life. Just an inherent flaw in the system. To be honest I'm viewing your response as disingenuous.

Gatling

If in doubt blame the Russians and far right 🤣

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121734112#Comment_121734112

Ah sure, we all pay taxes. Some pay more than others. But no doubt we'll manage just fine. Now what we need to do is limit this idea that you propose of the céad míle fáilte - a hundred thousand welcomes it means actually.. for anyone who wants to rock up and stress our services. That céad míle fáilte is more aimed at tourists, those who come and go home again. We all love tourists, well all except Catherine Martin our current Minister for Tourism.

hotmail.com

Well over 700 refugees now without accommodation.

The government continuing to break the law.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733270#Comment_121733270

I'm afraid your analogy is deluded.

What I want is the person who is supposed to maintain the roof, to do their job.

And I don't believe in just letting them off not to bother.

Unicorn Milk Latte

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121734135#Comment_121734135

Aren't there way too many people living in Ireland who are not even native Irish speakers? Who take away the jobs and homes of the REAL Irish.

Deport them. Housing crisis - over.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121733563#Comment_121733563

But if the issue is that the population is 'too high ' then all immigration is the issue.

Which other country's immigration policies do you think we should do?