Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749469#Comment_121749469

Define doing better?

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751481#Comment_121751481

This thread is about the tens of thousands of refugees dependent on State help for accommodation.

You don't appear to have any answers to the capacity issue.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751414#Comment_121751414

What indicates the 'ethnic Irish ' will be a minority in the next 20 years?

According to you, we have approx 700,000 non Irish nationals in the country

https://www.cso.ie/en/csolatestnews/pressreleases/2023pressreleases/pressstatementcensusofpopulation2022-summaryresults/

Irish and dual-Irish citizens made up 84% of the population. The number of non-Irish citizens increased since 2016 and now stands at 631,785, which represents 12% of Ireland's usual resident population.

So how exactly will that 12% increase to the extent that they outnumber 'ethnic irish' people in the next 20 years?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751504#Comment_121751504

No it's not.

The thread is about immigration into Ireland. You don't seem to have any answers about immigration, just complaints about asylum seekers (approx 13000 this year)

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751481#Comment_121751481

Right, and now they want a total influx of unlimited desperate people to come into this equation of total mismanagement since the late 80's that only benefits the likes of foreign vulture/hedge funds, which you also support. That's what doesn't make any sense. We know full well why they are doing it, but you are trying to run with the hare and the hound.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751551#Comment_121751551

You don't make sense.

I don't support anything other than government doing what they should be doing. Supplying services to the people of the country and not making crisis worse, i.e.housing crisis.

I doubt very much anyone wants an influx of desperate people.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751562#Comment_121751562

But that's exactly what the government have been doing the last 4 years. Basically inviting anybody and everybody in here with the promise of the exact same things they have been unable, just like you just stated, to provide its own indigenous citizens the last 30 years. And when the indigenous citizens rightly call this mess out we are labelled "far right" "racists" etc etc.

You don't want an influx of desperate people into this mess, that's good. I've one question for you, what's the limit of the influx so?

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751547#Comment_121751547

We're going around in circles. We've already established after you kept asking , that over 70,000 Ukrainians are reliant on State accommodation at the moment. So I don't know why you're saying 13k.

I'm looking at the full figures and living in the real world.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751414#Comment_121751414

You're ignoring that any child born in Ireland in the last 10 or 20 years is officially classed as being 100% Irish and not an "immigrant". The exact same scenario is being seen all across Europe - look at the players on the German football team with Polish and Turkish surnames but who were born in Germany.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751414#Comment_121751414

If that's the burning question on your mind I can only suggest you learn to let it go.

The world has changed and there's no going back.

As much as I'd favor a slowdown of immigration worldwide, as I feel it's not happening for the right reasons or being managed correctly, there's no going back to a homogeneous white catholic Ireland.

I think the idea of returning to that old closed Ireland would only appeal to very, very few.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751414#Comment_121751414

Yep, we'll be outbred. Plain & simple. Immigration is fine in small numbers and when those arriving can learn to be as Irish as the Irish themselves. But that'll not be the way, increasing numbers will see (rightful) demands that their cultures, practices and beliefs be incorporated into our society. And before too long and whilst the cheerleaders here are still alive, Irish society will be but a shadow of it's former self.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751715#Comment_121751715

And others disagree with you. Be a patriot, love your country and do your best to retain our own separate Irish culture and way of going about things.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751414#Comment_121751414

The kids of those folks that have moved here to work will be irish.

The same thing happens in every major city. London, New York, Paris etc. They will be irish kids with heritage from abroad.

Exactly the same as the irish that moved abroad and had families in the UK, US, Australia and Canada etc.

It is a good thing and shows a progressive, forward thinking country.

If someone chooses to live in a small inbred socuety that never changes, there are plenty of rural outposts in Ireland to choose from.

If Dublin is serious about being a major capital city in Europe, of course it will be diverse. Its a positive for all of us, just like it was for New York and London et al.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751767#Comment_121751767

Their kids will be irish. The same as all the irish that moved abroad had canadian, british, american kids etc.

In what world is diversity in a capital city not a good thing?

There are small inward lookimg villages if you want to surround yourself with irish born only folks. Enjoy.

silver edgeee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751481#Comment_121751481

Having a proper, fit for purpose immigration system is fundamental to a democracy. We should close the border if we don't, otherwise it's a mockery of supposed immigration laws. EU states such as Finland have no issue closing the boarder to Russian migrants so the hypocrisy of the west is laughable.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751579#Comment_121751579

Calling people who oppose open boarders / ineffective immigration systems as "far right" or "racist" is a demonization tactic used by lefties/Marxists/commies to try silence and make you feel guilty and doubt your position in the eyes of the masses. Marxism is a failed social-economic theory that only works under an autocratic society. This theory has no right to lecture you on anything in relation to cultural or society affairs due to lack of patriotic values that are unique to the country in question, etc. There are no limits in reality as these people are demoralized to rational discussion due to ideological brainwashing/subversion. It changes the perception of reality to such an extent that despite the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

"When all else fails call them fascists" - The naked communist

Sonic the Shaghog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740243#Comment_121740243

I just noticed that post. It's utterly astounding how Sweden are now being labelled as a mess and failed in their policies over immigration. The last two decades we were told over and over again by pro immigration supporters how great Sweden was cause they let in so many groups of people. I mean FFS they offered lots of education opportunities, intensive language lessons, probably more financial and housing support than any other EU nation. Not to mention didnt the naive simpteltons even give classes or at least a hand book explaining consent etc around the time of Merkels legions?

Now they are being lambasted for having "failed to integrate" migrants because the realities that every one that was against mass immigration is coming to fruition.

But no, now the head the balls are screeching how Sweden is becoming a fascist, racist hellhole because they are finally sick of being taken advantage of by freeloading, refusing to integrate assholes.

Nuts, just absolutely nuts.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751824#Comment_121751824

Their children maybe Irish born but they'll not be of particularly Irish culture. The parents are the greatest influence of any child.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751767#Comment_121751767

How will Irish people be ' outbred ' exactly?

out population is 12% non Irish.

How does that suggest Irish people will be ' outbred ' ?

People living here, having children here, will make Ireland their home. Particularly their children will be irish, so what if they also remember their own ethnic culture? Nothing wrong with that.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751579#Comment_121751579

Nope. Nobody is 'inviting ' anyone here. They are coming because Ireland is a good place to live and respects all people.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751610#Comment_121751610

No. You said the thread is about refugees.

it's not

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748993#Comment_121748993

Considering they didnt give a fook till then. Or go one further and telling the general public to fook off up till now on the the topic. Would you believe them ? The same egit Mc Entee telling us about arson arrests that caused no deaths. ( which btw burning of buildings I dont agree with) I'd more worried about the future deaths due to complete incompetence of you and your government due to no proper immigration control . Fookwit. She can call out her hate speech enforcers on me. She's still a fookwit.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751782#Comment_121751782

No issue with Irish culture, considering it's all over the world, dance, music, poetry, Gaelic games, I don't think we need to worry about Irish culture disappearing anytime soon 🙄

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751842#Comment_121751842

They will grow up in Ireland! Of course they will be part of irish culture.

As I say, you can move to Donegal or some Mayo outpost if you want to live in irish isolation.

But dont expect a capital city to be inward looking. The vast majority of us welcome people from everywhere, in the same way we ourselves have been welcomed abroad.

I hope you dont have any plans to travel and feel welcomed into another country.

Most of us do though and it works both ways.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751835#Comment_121751835

Finland closed the border with Russia.

Finland is an EU country, Russia is not.

How exactly is that comparable with Ireland?

silver edgeee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751852#Comment_121751852

If you research the birth rate of indigenous Irish people it will make sense. Take Romanian gypsys for example. They have cultural/societal/religious values that results in them having a larger family on average. Combine that with 60s feminism that is rooted in just short term animalistic gratification while attacking the idea of children as oppressive. Has the reflection come through the mirror yet?

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751860#Comment_121751860

That's not what you said an hour ago when you basically admitted that the government sold off our social housing stock since the 80s and didn't bother replacing it. That they outsourced our rental sector, both social and private to international bodies. That they now allow private developers to build private housing and either, rent it out themselves, sell to international investment firms to rent it out of allow government to pay highly inflated rental prices, to house social tenants in these properties.

That's what you said.

"Nobody is inviting anyone here"?? So how is tweeting out in 8 different languages like O'gorman did in 2021 for everybody who could understand it, to come join this $hitshow, a $hitshow from the 80's, that you yourself have criticized your own self right up there, how does that make any sense?

You're talking nonsense. I know it. You know it. Anybody with eyes knows it. Lucky for you you won't have to keep it up much longer, because the f**king jig is up. Even The Irish Times knows it's up.

silver edgeee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751881#Comment_121751881

If you can pick and choose your inflow of migrants that amounts to discrimination.

It like a country saying "we don't want coloured migrants".

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751899#Comment_121751899

Selling off social housing to people living in it, isn't inviting other people to Ireland.

Having a housing system that allows international property companies to take over our social housing system in Ireland is not what you mean when you talk about 'inviting anyone here '

What you are really talking about is, the tweet in different languages. That's really your issue.

but that's not the issue with the housing crisis. No matter how much you want to link it to immigration.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751889#Comment_121751889

Romanian gypsies?

silver edgeee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751899#Comment_121751899

Capitalism is a sell-out also, socialism is no better. The government wants to attract international bodies for FDI to improve the economy(jobs,GDP, etc), infrastructure and attract talent to Irish sectors. The boom of Celtic tiger was limited in scope. Bad property planning has much to do with the current crisis. Take a bus down to the west and you will see.