Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763366#Comment_121763366

You'll be happy to hear that world pop growth is slowing anyways. No need for a "cull".

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760017#Comment_121760017

Yes it is .

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763575#Comment_121763575

The main reason AS are a problem is because they are making bogus claims, i.e. they are not genuine.

It takes months/years to process their claims, and costs the taxpayer millions.

Their presence here adds to the demand for accomm, and so increases rents.

That's why they are a problem.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763662#Comment_121763662

Thats why they need to be working!

At least we are getting something back.. Win win situation 😉

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763689#Comment_121763689

You can't just let people come into the country on some bogus claim and say "ah yeah, off you go to work" they should be turned round and sent back from where they came not given a job.

What would be the point of having an immigration process if you are willing to let every tom, dick and harry in with a sob story whether it is fake or not? If its fake then they are deported

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763689#Comment_121763689

No that'll encourage more bogus asylum arriving here and completely signals an open boarder approach.

As the article explains https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41329981.html

M.M explained our infrastructure is under strain.

I don't know why anyone can't see that problem, we cater to hundreds of thousands of people each year on a already bad infrastructure its a no win win.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763577#Comment_121763577

Who are these " foreign buyers"?

The absolute cheek of them!

Doctors, nurses, IT workers.

This has been discussed at length.. These are working migrants and usually nothing to do with the type of immigration being vociferously complained about.

So you want to ban legal immigration?

All those countries have right leaning governments and policies.. rejecting immigration even legal migration is a recipe for a recession but carry on.

There are many more countries doing the opposite to encourage young educated people to join their workforce. As are we.

And as for the five year rule its about that and longer before anybody would have a deposit to buy a house here anyway.

And are you against all immigration then,... lad?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763735#Comment_121763735

Not talking about accomodation in that.. But of course / obviously...

I am not talking about those ' unsuccessful economic migrants' which are now acc to gov meant to be fasttracked out of here, I said successful applicants. Which would assume real refugees.

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763751#Comment_121763751

Are you completely for open boarders, what's you're stance on immigration?

Honest and sincere question.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763654#Comment_121763654

Around 10 billion by 2050 I believe.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763761#Comment_121763761

No. My posts all along are pro real asylum seekers not everyone who wants to come here.

But anyone who doesn't easily fit is put in the same category, in these threads anyway.

Our borders are open because we are open to EU. And UK.

We should have stricter visa allocation as per our needs.

Faster processing.

And unsuccessful applicants should be deported and if this needs enforcement so be it.

And enforced deportation for anybody who it turns out is involved in crime or has a criminal history.

I never agreed with restrictions on EU/UK migrant workers. Nor those frpm other countries whoare essential workers for our services or economy.

As long as Irish people can avail of the same conditions abroad.

Its not their fault that successive governments have fxcjed up our housing /healthcare.

Where has our money and wealth been going for the last 10 years?

But enough about me. How about you? Are you completely against or just misunderstood as well? 😜

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763097#Comment_121763097

You're for the birds.. ask a child what happens if you blow a balloon up and keep blowing and keep blowing. A six year old would shout at you that this is not a great idea. Immigration is not the full cause of deterioration in access to basic health services but it's a contributory factor that we can control.

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763808#Comment_121763808

I'd probably agree with most of your points.

"I never agreed with restrictions on EU/UK migrant workers. Nor those frpm other countries whoare essential workers for our services or economy."

Do you mean migrant workers as people that were granted asylum in another EU country or UK to be allowed to work here?

"Its not their fault that successive governments have fxcjed up our housing /healthcare."

Agree, you can't blame a guest for a bad kept house. We need to get our **** together first and start accepting new arrivals for essential shortages & capped amount of genuine IP Asylum seekers.

My points on here is the government handling of immigration, no plan and proper communication with the public. Some of the arrogance and buzzwords been broadcasted by the main parties was sicking.

"And unsuccessful applicants should be deported and if this needs enforcement so be it."

Another point I agree with, Leo V said unsuccessful applicants were to "self-deport"(comical), there wasn't really any enforcement happening hence a lot of the public are annoyed with that our boarders are a complete joke.

Am unsure why some people are so pro open boarders it boggles my mind, its either some guilt feeling or a "we are the world" type thinking?

My stance would be a center of accommodation facilities (Especially near Dub/Cork Airport) for anyone applying for "IP" or asylum.

• Checks on passenger airplanes for ID/Documentation, especially arriving from safe countries. No ID/Passport, no entry, brought to accommodation facility near the Airport then deported asap. Banned from entering the country for certain amount of years if its blatantly obvious it's for economical reasons.
• Anyone who fits the criteria of asylum is helped with accommodation, supports, educational etc. Should any IP or asylum seeker commit any crime, deportation(if possible, not from war torn countries). A capped amount of approval for asylum especially when there's many issues with housing and health.
• Fining airlines who breach their duty to check ID/Passports.
• Allowing economical migrants in who apply for visa's for essential work shortages. If found to commit crimes(which would be rare imo) and or can't support themselves(after a period of time) while on a visa is deported or visa revoked.
• Creating a EU boarder control unit to specialise on possible human traffickers, known issues as locations and scams with bogus asylum seekers. Create databases on a EU wide level on known offenders on trafficking, collaborating with African & Middle Eastern countries regarding their possible databases.

There's many other points, I could go on...

Why aren't our authorises on local Irish government to EU level pushing rules like this to strength our boarders. It's not far right or racist for some commonsense but no one is seen the EU or local government do anything which is concerning

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763739#Comment_121763739

By rewarding AS with access to the labour market you're not attracting doctors and nurses and skilled professionals. Those people will have resources and can avail of legal and proper immigration processes.

Instead you're attracting Deliveryoo drivers.

Ten of Swords

@Furze99 threadbanned

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763975#Comment_121763975

Where do you deport someone to if they arrive with no id or passport?

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764271#Comment_121764271

Straight back onto the airline that brought them here.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764281#Comment_121764281

What's an airline going to do with them???

I don't think you've thought this through.

The airline can't just drop them back on the return flight, because it's quite possible they're not from the point of origin of the flight.

What would the airline do then, bring them back here?

JPCN1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764271#Comment_121764271

A holding centre until such time as it’s established who they are and where they are from?

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764331#Comment_121764331

It's their responsibility that all passengers have the required ID.

If they fail that, it's their problem.

Let the airline deal with the authorities at the point of origin, it's not our problem.

Ionraice

I have no issue with skilled people coming here on a work visa - provided there is a shortage of said skills in this Country.

In other words, permits should be issued for the benefit of this Country. That's how Australia does it. That's how America does it. Why would we do it any differently?

Re: Genuine asylum seekers. I believe we should help to the best of our ability.

However:

We need to control our borders.

It is actually illegal to enter Ireland from outside the Eu without a passport.

I've never heard of anyone being charged with that offence. Why not?

We have well documented problems with housing, healthcare, schools.

It is ludicrous to suggest we can take care of whoever chooses to rock up to our shores - yet, that is what some people would have you believe.

Re: Ukrainian special protection.

We signed up to it. We should honour it.

However. Paying accomodation costs and full social welfare is ridiculous.

Worse. It's racist. Because, it affords a level of protection to Ukrainians that is not afforded to Irish citizens - who pay for said benefits.

How is that anywhere near logical?

Yes, Im aware those payments are now being reduced. My point is, why was that level of support ever considered rational?

Tldr. We need immigration. However, visa based immigration should be limited to skills shortages.

Re: International protection. Again, we should help - but within the limits of our capacity. Leaving 14,000 already homeless on the streets while we magically "find" capacity for 100,000 immigrants is ridiculous.

Re: Ukriainians.

Again. We should help. But, we should not give preferential treatment to Ukriainians over native Irish.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764364#Comment_121764364

It is actually illegal to enter Ireland from outside the Eu without a passport.

Not if you're an asylum seeker

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764400#Comment_121764400

That can literally be corrected with a stroke of a pen. If the EU doesn't do it, we can.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763992#Comment_121763992

I'm aware of a number of nurses who came over seeking asylum

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764355#Comment_121764355

How do you think that would work in practice?

The point of origin of the flight won't necessarily be where the person is from.

I suspect airlines would refuse to carry anybody who might potentially claim asylum.

The implications for global air travel would be so huge, that no one in their right mind is going to consider simply handing the problem over to the airlines.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764416#Comment_121764416

Its nothing to do with the EU.

we signed and ratified the Geneva convention, bringing it into domestic legislation in the International Protection Act 95.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764364#Comment_121764364

I'd agree that work visas should only be issued when beneficial.

But beneficial to who? Some would argue we should try to attract as many highly paid tech and pharma workers as we can because it's good for the economy.

Others might say that it just drives up prices, creates a more tiered society, and tax windfalls just make it easier for the government to gloss over problems.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764434#Comment_121764434

All the airline has to do, is check passengers passports upon boarding, then check again as they exit. Anyone that doesn't have a passport doesn't get off the plane. Since the airline already has the ID they used to board the plane, that is their lead.

If the airline lets the person off the plane, the airline faces fines in addition to any and all legal costs resulting from assisting in the illegal entry, including all lodging and living costs, and deportation costs.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764430#Comment_121764430

So go ahead and post your evidence then.

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764434#Comment_121764434

"The point of origin of the flight won't necessarily be where the persons is from"

Tough, you created this problem if you're that 60% failed asylum. It's called responsibility!

"The implications for global air travel would be so huge, that no one in their right mind is going to consider simply handing the problem over to the airlines"

Nonsense. The Oz, NZ, US, Swiss governments do deportations on a whisk on anything suspect on visa's, unable to support yourself and especially for people destroying their passports and or traveling from a safe country.

Why can't you grasp that there's repercussions for making bad choices, people choose to make these journeys it's not our responsibility if you don't fit the asylum criteria.