Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776494#Comment_121776494

McDowell is as associated with the 2008 crash as FF and the PD’s are. It wiped out the PD’s and FF have never recovered. Prior to that, FF since the inception of the state only dipped below 40% in a general election twice and that was only barely below 40. Sixteen years on and they are still struggling to get half that amount. People haven’t forgotten.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776568#Comment_121776568

I'm only coming and going from my computer today.

What did I mean by tax leeches? Simply that we've been positioned by successive right wing governments into becoming a tax haven. Are you not aware of this?

Mncs don't pay 12.5 or 15% tax, they pay in practice about 6-7%.

https://m.independent.ie/business/eu-funded-report-says-ireland-is-a-tax-haven/a909108638.html

This is very unpopular with our European neighbours and gives them ample justification not to implement the Dublin agreement.

Personally I think operating like this has had a very negative effect on the country. We've voted in successive terrible FFG governments, on the basis of how successful the economy is.

Without all these corporation tax 'windfalls' I believe health and housing would not have been allowed deteriorate to the point they have.

MegamanBoo

I'm not the only one who thinks Irelands role as a tax haven has impacted negatively on services. According to this article it also played a huge roll in bringing the vulture funds into the housing market.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40761102.html

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777201#Comment_121777201

Even tho this is a thread talking about immigration, we're on the subject of Ireland's Corporation tax ?? anyways I'll add a little on this subject don't want to derail the thread.

If you think Ireland is/was the only country doing sweetener deals with corporations :) ?? Off course I know about our low corporation tax. Unpopular with our EU partners, I probably won't lose a wink of sleep. Many other EU countries do other sh*t that annoy each other, we've signed up for a common tax levy with most of the world some years back. Ireland back in the 60s 70s 80s needed to attract companies here as we had only nothing in this country, no industry , no resources , no infrastructure. Do I blame them for starting with a low corporation tax to attract companies in ? no. Was it right? maybe not.

Ireland paying 42% of the European banking crisis, saddled with a colossal amount of debt, NAMA etc... . Ireland is good little boy in the EU so don't worry they love us.

Leeches is a disgusting degrading word to use, maybe you feel like that? My family and I work our arses off, pay our taxes and all sorts and get absolutely nothing back from it.

What a load of Boll*x "This is very unpopular with our European neighbors and gives them ample justification not to implement the Dublin agreement."

So in your terms, our lovely neighbors are inundating us with AS or IP because bad paddies are using a low corporation tax. You are the most unhinged poster on this thread with some of the most mental gymnastics at play here.

We're the dirty leeches of the EU getting our just deserts off inundated AS and IP because of our naughty corporation tax rate. You've won the internet today :)

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776495#Comment_121776495

It's 4000 more than should be arriving.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776459#Comment_121776459

Good report from Newstalk on this.

All the people opposed this made perfectly reasonable points but of course those people are "the far right" according to the government and it's supporters.

Also the hotel owners even admit they got an offer that was too good to refuse.So essentially tax-payer money is being used to overpay hotel owners for accommodation.So essentially the hotel owners are profiting off a form of legalised people trafficking .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqatLbwTwI&list=TLPQMTYwMjIwMjSlGVKM2wyu_A&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqatLbwTwI&list=TLPQMTYwMjIwMjSlGVKM2wyu_A&index=2

emo72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777380#Comment_121777380

This won't play for me. I tried finding it but drew a blank. Can anyone link it please?

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777439#Comment_121777439

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqatLbwTwI&list=TLPQMTYwMjIwMjSlGVKM2wyu_A&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqatLbwTwI&list=TLPQMTYwMjIwMjSlGVKM2wyu_A&index=3

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776495#Comment_121776495

That's 8 hotels the size of the one in Drogheda to accommodate them I think it is a big issue!

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777351#Comment_121777351

I'm sorry if I offended you by talking about corporate tax leeches. If you like I'll talk about 'tax avoidance' instead.

Tell me how do you think hard working people in Ireland were doing before we started being 'inundated with IPA's by our European neighbours'? (Those are very much your terms)

Housing and health were looking grand all the way back then in 2020 were they?

You avoided my question somewhat earlier, but do you really think Ireland should stop any IPAs passing through here on the way to the UK and insist they claim asylum here instead?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776884#Comment_121776884

Except those who keep quoting him.. Or maybe they were only children then , or didn't live in the country or just swallow whatever Grift feeds them?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776486#Comment_121776486

I think we'll all feel the pain somehow...

We're looking at five more years of FFG in power on the back of the surge in support for these phoney anti-immigration candidates.

But fear not, somehow it'll still be all the asylum seekers fault.

flutered

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777237#Comment_121777237

the vulture funds were invited in personally by michael noonan fg

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777776#Comment_121777776

"You avoided my question somewhat earlier, but do you really think Ireland should stop any IPAs passing through here on the way to the UK and insist they claim asylum here instead?"

Already answered your hypothetical question from earlier and it was worded differently too "As for safe countries, look at it this way, if there were IPAs passing through Ireland on the way to the UK, would you be insisting they make their claims here?".... we're actually getting people claiming Asylum crossing from UK into Ireland.

You're twisting and turning all these comments as usual deflect and attack the poster, it's adding absolutely nothing to the debate here and is derailing this thread imo.

You said "Neither can I expect us to get much help or sympathy given our role as global tax leeches" and asked about that quote, you said "This is very unpopular with our European neighbours and gives them ample justification not to implement the Dublin agreement." your comments mentioned this that our EU neighbors are not helping us and have ample justification not to implement the Dublin agreement because of our low Corporation tax.

"Housing and health were looking grand all the way back then in 2020 were they?" means absolutely nothing to the post , you're just interjecting nonsense into your replies. Bringing our cooperation tax into the tread, twisting my replies , deflecting any of replies.

"I'm sorry if I offended you by talking about corporate tax leeches. If you like I'll talk about 'tax avoidance' instead."

Sounds like a very childish response, not offended at all just sounds completely bizarre whatever the point you're trying to bring to the table about Ireland's Corporation tax and is why our European neighbors are not using the Dublin agreement ???? .

I haven't name called you, twist your words or make accusations about you , I tried to engage and find some commonground but it's very tiring to chat to people who'll twist your replies, it takes double the effort to stop your twisting and to backup my comments.

Sunny Disposition

I think immigration became a fairly topical issue circa 06-07 but completely went off the agenda again when the recession came in.

When it resurfaced our wonderful leaders started talking sh1te about medical staff and the Irish going to America and people from the Middle East learning Irish etc.

But they all know now that it’s a real issue and the soft talk won’t cut it.

At a lunchtime meeting event today I was surprised by how much talk there is about immigration and there seems to be a broad acceptance that things must change.

Really the debate is on the brink of moving on, it’s now very unlikely that nothing will change, it’s more a question of what and how.

Id hope FF and FG do start making a bit more sense, it’d be good if the extremists on the right don’t set the terms.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777991#Comment_121777991

I'm finding it hard to follow what you're saying tbh.

This is your complaint about IPA's from Pakistan passing through 15 countries to claim refuge in Ireland.

My question, which you still haven't answered, is do you really expect those countries to stop these people on their way, and either insist they claim asylum in that country, or take the responsibility of identifying and returning them to the first safe country?

And given your insistence that we tighten our borders, would you expect Ireland to do the same?

You're full of rhetoric about what we need to do, I'm just trying to get to how you see all this working in practice.

Sunny Disposition

I’ve often thought there’s an immaturity to Irish politics, full of chancers.

Fckers who’d tell you that closing down several a&e units will help regional health services for example.

But the immigration debate might be a seminal moment. The public have made it known they don’t appreciate being made pr1cks out of and are demanding change. Some politicians still can’t stop with the bs, but they’re being put under serious pressure as a result. Soon only the ones who genuinely believe the bs will have the balls to repeat it. And you can’t complain about people honestly saying what they think, it’s rare in Irish politics.

Hopefully it does lead to an era of more honesty of approach in public life.

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-lawyers-group-calls-on-government-to-let-palestinian-refugees-access-measures-introduced-for-ukrainians/a941094436.html

The Socialist Lawyers’ Association of Ireland are lobbying urging the Government to allow Palestinian refugees fleeing Gaza and the West Bank to benefit from the same emergency measures introduced for Ukrainian refugees. Solicitors that have expertise in immigration and asylum are basically seeking huge penitential amount of work in the courts at the expense of the tax payer. What about the conflict in Sudan, Ethiopia etc...

We've the population of a mid sized European city around 5 million, insane absolutely insane.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778216#Comment_121778216

we'd only be encouraging and facilitating genocide (that's egypt's line) so we absolutely can not take them

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778125#Comment_121778125

From the other day -

My stance would be a center of accommodation facilities (Especially near Dub/Cork Airport) for anyone applying for "IP" or asylum.

• Checks on passenger airplanes for ID/Documentation, especially arriving from safe countries. No ID/Passport, no entry, brought to accommodation facility near the Airport then deported asap. Banned from entering the country for certain amount of years if its blatantly obvious it's for economical reasons.
• Anyone who fits the criteria of asylum is helped with accommodation, supports, educational etc. Should any IP or asylum seeker commit any crime, deportation(if possible, not from war torn countries). A capped amount of approval for asylum especially when there's many issues with housing and health.
• Fining airlines who breach their duty to check ID/Passports.
• Allowing economical migrants in who apply for visa's for essential work shortages. If found to commit crimes(which would be rare imo) and or can't support themselves(after a period of time) while on a visa is deported or visa revoked.
• Creating a EU border control unit to specialise on possible human traffickers, known issues as locations and scams with bogus asylum seekers. Create databases on a EU wide level on known offenders on trafficking, collaborating with African & Middle Eastern countries regarding their possible databases.

There's many other points, I could go on...

Full of rhetoric, your full of a million questions and never once add to the thread. I've asked you about your stance on IP and AS arriving here, and you said there's pretty much nothing we can do.

"This is your complaint about IPA's from Pakistan passing through 15 countries to claim refuge in Ireland."

I never complaint again with the accusations :), I was making a point. Why does it take 15 countries for a person to finally feel safe especially when you've traveled through many EU countries on doing so.

"My question, which you still haven't answered, is do you really expect those countries to stop these people on their way, and either insist they claim asylum in that country, or take the responsibility of identifying and returning them to the first safe country?"

What I expect is for the EU to enforce the borders better like Denmark is doing, taking absolute no BS at border control but that isn't happening anytime soon. The EU is completely sitting on their hands.

The top minds in the EU parliament, commission etc... getting paid huge money shouldn't be short of any idea's on how to tighten our borders or copy Denmark's model.

L.Ball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777380#Comment_121777380

ah shur, what's to be done ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775113#Comment_121775113

Wall around the 6 counties?

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778441#Comment_121778441

Agree.

Rooms within a Drogheda hotel costing 100 euro per night on average, now the tax payer enters over 300 euro per room for a year. 13 million per year.

We're forking out billions and this is only the beginning, many connected individuals are recently busy snapping up and getting involved with new IP centers. Some people are nearly comparing the issues of our borders to the moon landings, its pretty easy to get a handle on securing the border.

combat14

Mapped: The fires linked to accommodation for migrants

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0207/1431003-mapped-the-fires-linked-to-accommodation-for-migrants/

guess the logic is if there is no hotel or free house to stay in the never ending masses will stop coming ?

a scorched earth approach like the russians used to get the invaders out

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121777650#Comment_121777650

This is so **** frustrating, I'm so effing mad

This government is just destroying this country

Headshot

i hope the locals remember the betrayal by this Hotel and when the contract is up, boycott the place