Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121195022#Comment_121195022

Was a tour rep on local radio, they plan tours 2 years in advance -too much uncertainty regards availability and price of accommodation in Ireland now. Big reputational damage after huge work selling Ireland by failte Ireland at tourism fairs worldwide .

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121195039#Comment_121195039

Gonna be a long winter for a lot of places in the west badly affected by the lack of beds.

Then the government put back the hospitality vat by 4.5% last month - the absolute contempt they show pubs restaurants owners etc is breathtaking.

while signing off another billion here and there no bother for others here a wet week.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121195083#Comment_121195083

The tourism sector is being wound down and replaced with the asylum seeker industry. A lot are still in denial about this but I expect in five years time tourism will just be a niche industry.

Beasty

This is not a Ukrainian refugee thread. We have had those before and they ended up being locked. Keep it up here and this one will go the same way

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121194537#Comment_121194537

Ultimately Europe does have a shared entity called "frontex". So I'm not sure how this could be something dismissed as only an Italian failure to secure their borders.

Could the Italians even secure their borders without a loss of life from the would be migrants?

growleaves

I forget who famously said that the Middle East is a "tough neighbourhood".

The newspapers won't state it plainly or give much detail but as far as I can piece together the gangs setting off explosives in Sweden are Kurdish drug dealers. Maybe some non-Kurdish Turk drug dealers as well.

Well guess what, northern Iraq and south-eastern Turkey are 'tough' places for a reason: because of the people who live there.

If they go and live in Stockholm and Malmo en masse then those are going to become tough places too.

The Swedish PM is asking the army to use its knowledge on ‘explosives’ and ‘helicopter logistics’ to tackle the gangs.

If they are changing the laws in Sweden to allow greater ‘military involvement’ in crime-fighting that then tilts the country towards a militarised police regime. I would imagine Swedes don't want to live in a militarised police regime (like Israel?) but indiscriminate immigration has now made this a necessity.

highpressisbest

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121195150#Comment_121195150

On the positive side, welfare tourism is booming.

junaid3144

The conversation highlights concerns about immigration and potential social tensions in Ireland. There's a fear that increased migration, especially if certain political parties gain power, might lead to challenges like housing crises and tensions between different communities. The dialogue reflects worries about the impact of immigration policies and their long-term consequences.

Goldengirl

@growleaves Ehud Barak former Israeli PM .

" Former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak calls the Middle East a 'tough neighbourhood,' doesn't underestimate — or apologize for — Israel's position of strength. Noura Erakat, a Palestinian-American human rights attorney, argues that Barak's views are emblematic of a wider problem in the Israel-Palestinian conflict.5 Jun 2018"

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-june-5-2018-1.4691824/israel-s-greatest-threats-are-internal-not-hamas-or-iran-says-former-prime-minister-ehud-barak-1.4691837

Not sure if this translates so well today .

enricoh

German anti immigration party making big headway in areas its usually weak in. Will the other German parties change tack as a result?

Corporation tax drying up here- has paddy any politicians able and willing to take the necessary tough decisions- no chance!

https://www.thejournal.ie/german-coalition-counts-cost-of-poll-losses-as-far-right-gains-6190403-Oct2023/

Immigration was a central theme at the polls as Germany – like elsewhere in Europe – faces a surge of new arrivals, reviving memories of a major influx in 2015.

Goldengirl

Poles oust anti immigration populist nationalist party for centre right coalition led by Donald Tusk in general election .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/16/poland-election-results-law-and-justice-party-donald-tusk-coalition

So it's not a given that high immigration leads to the dark side although Tusk always reminded me of a Sith ;)

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121248068#Comment_121248068

Actually the centre right party won the most seats , it’s just that a coalition to oust them was possible

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121248542#Comment_121248542

No, the Socialist Nationalist Party is the anti immigration party. Law and Justice. They to lost the election. Largest number of votes maybe. But not enough to form a government on their own and nobody wants to go into power with them.

And you are incorrect also about who they are.

It is the Centre Right and others that can now form a coalition who are Pro EU and not elected on an anti immigration platform.

The point is that Poland who have seen massive immigration because of Ukraine, and despite this know that their best chance lies with pro EU centrist policies rather than anti immigration populist buttheads who want to isolate them from the rest of Europe at such a dangerous time..

Maybe read the link or some news reports before replying incorrectly.

creeper1

The only video on YouTube about the recent protests in rosslare was made by a Ukrainian would you believe.

Some note worthy comments seem to observe that if you want fewer arrivals then stop paying so much money.

A lot mention "salt". Maybe throwing around salt is some kind of idiom for getting rid of people unwelcome in their language.

Ireland is embarrassing itself. Imagine putting something like the third or fourth direct provision centre ahead of a nursing home.

https://youtu.be/82n9HF4Tl9A?si=TqjsaCPPPFyiYg1G

m2_browning

The local.se

Who's who in Sweden's gang conflict?

https://archive.ph/YtwDb

take a wild stab at what part of the world the most brutal mobsters in Sweden are from before you read above article

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121399517#Comment_121399517

This is all very confusing I thought someone said swedes have nothing bad to say against immigration.

If that was ireland I would certainly have a lot of bad things to say.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121215371#Comment_121215371

. .

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121399868#Comment_121399868

Swedes are mortified about all the lies being spread according to a certain poster here. Nazi racists spreading fake stories. The random all aboard letting everybody in posters here know better.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121400052#Comment_121400052

We are heading down the exact same road and I think its already too late to stop it.

That will be ireland in the next decade.

Instead of giving kids pocket money, it might make more sense to put the money in the bank so they can get out of this place when they are old enough.

Francie Barrett

Mod Edit - Article removed, this case is currently before the courts and cannot be discussed until it's conclusion

I notice the Jozef Puska thread has been closed because it has "run its course".

I don't agree with that at all.

emo72

Well I'd like to keep the Puskas thread open, it will never run it's course for me.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121400216#Comment_121400216

It was shut because of a handful of posters who ruin multiple threads shouting racism and complaining to Mods.

These posters are the ones insulting others and calling people racists when no racism was in some of the posts.

I reported several of these posts about calling people racists, but no action was taken.

Instead of dealing with racist posts and race baiters it is easier to shut a thread than moderate it.

People moving here and living off the state for years is a national scandal and this should be highlighted.

That is what the vast majority of people were discussing besides the race baiters.

Based on the reference to anti immigration in the closing post it seems discussing the truth is not allowed based on one person's opinion.

One of the biggest current affairs issue in ireland at the minute is not allowed for discussion in the current affairs forum.

It seems like boards is actively trying to lose users who can go elsewhere to discuss current affairs.

Ten of Swords

The Josef Puska thread was closed for the reasons outlined in the closing post - it was no longer discussing Josef Puska or Aisling Murphy and mod warning made clear in the opening post of that thread were being routinely ignored. In addition, the case related to the Josef Puska trial is still ongoing and it was being frequently discussed (even being discussed 3 posts above this one)

Re immigration and refugees, there are 2 threads in Current Affairs where this can be discussed. The topic is not off limits.

This thread and-

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058281647/time-for-a-zero-refugee-policy-read-op-for-mod-warnings-and-threadbans-updated-17-05-23#latest

If you have anything to discuss re the Josef Puska thread you can PM me, please don't drag this thread off topic

Galwayguy35

RTE wheeled out Lucky Kambule to tell us all how afraid he is.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413806#Comment_121413806

I've heard of plenty of people who are immigrants who are afraid for their well being after the events of the past few days. Say you had a fair few schools in Dublin where non white children were kept at home yesterday for example.

Cordell

That's their own ignorance at fault, the ones rioting had plenty of non whites among them, so they have no good reason to be worried.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121194626#Comment_121194626

Although double their average industrial

wage

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121186636#Comment_121186636

About 60-65% of Africans who exit the assylum process with citizenship live in welfare. RTE for years has peddled the narrative whilst in the direct provision they just want to work?

Peter Flynt

How times change.

This is from 5th September 2008:

"Dublin West deputy Leo Varadkar raised the possibility of non-nationals being given a lump sum payment of up to six months' unemployment benefit if they agreed to return home."

"Mr Varadkar's comments come in the wake of party colleague Brian Hayes's slip of the tongue, saying non-English speaking immigrant children should be "segregated" from mainstream classes."

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/tds-pay-jobless-foreigners-to-leave-proposal-slammed/27884369.html