Attempting to reduce magazine capacity allowances

mud dog

This happen to me on my renewal of my 338 ,which is restricted so I had to ring the chief supers Office and tell them that it's been 10.round mag for the last 3 years and nothing on my end has change and I need it changed back or removed from licence! I was told it was a error like a default setting ! Don't know if that's horse **** and they are chance their arm at reducing mag capacity on the Qt ! But had it sorted !

TheEngineer1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120674606#Comment_120674606

So did you get them to change it to 11 rounds?

mud dog

Just had it removed ! Doesn't state it on it now !

otmmyboy2

This is a new thing on pulse for the past few months, it is to record the magazine capacity only, ie not including the chamber.

And pulse by default sets it to 1, hence the issues with licences marked down to 1 on renewals.

Apparently the FCA1 is being updated with a magazine capacity question on it under firearm details also, but when that will happen I dunno.

garrettod

Intentional, or not, I see this causing problems -

First, the licence will state X round capacity, for info.

Then, it'll evolve into your limit, and also, it'll be used as a basis to reduce the ammunition allowance.

Substitutions will then have to be like for like, incl. magazine capacity.

By the time they've finished, anything over 5 rounds will be restricted, and you'll be doing a special course etc. to apply for a ten round 22 mag.

hiddenmongoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675564#Comment_120675564

Thats why anyone who receives such a restriction on their licence should immediately ring and get it removed. Same as anyone who gets their ammo figure downsized.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120674188#Comment_120674188

10 round magazine is the limit non-restricted rimfires. It doesn't exclude the chamber.

4. (1) Firearms other than those to which subparagraph (2) relates are declared to be restricted firearms for the purposes of the Act:

(2) This subparagraph relates to the following firearms:

(c) the following long firearms (not being assault rifles or bullpup rifles):

(ii) single-shot, repeating or semi-automatic rim-fire firearms designed to fire rim-fire percussion ammunition and with a magazine having a capacity of not more than 10 rounds,

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675776#Comment_120675776

People are only receiving the "restriction" if that's the capacity of the firearm applied for.

If somebody applies for and U/O shotgun, it will presumably say Capacity = 2. Without that, the max capacity was technically 3 rounds.

If people are applying for 10-shot 22lrs, it will say 10 rounds. The only situation where it might be an issue is people who want to by some aftermarket mag to increase capacity. Eg My Ruger American has a capacity of 4, but I might buy a 10-shot mag for it at a later date.

So if I was asked what the maximum capacity for that rifle is. My answer would 10 rounds. That is the maximum available for that model (afaik). The fact I don't own a 10-round mag doesn't change that. ;)

Vizzy

I got a renewal approved recently for a 22lr.

Checked the licence this morning and my maximum capacity is 8 rounds ( would never have even noticed except for this thread).

I currently have 2 five round mags and a ten shot. I must talk to CZ about purchasing one of their 8 shot magazines.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120676482#Comment_120676482

I'd be talking to the Gardai and getting the licence changed to 10 rounds rather than looking for an 8 shot magazine.

Vizzy

That's exactly what I intend to do.

I assume that there isn't even an 8 shot mag available.

What I was trying to point out(badly) is the stupidity of giving me an 8 shot allowance, when no such magazine exists.

garrettod

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120678151#Comment_120678151

You need to think about the conversation, in advance... What if they tell you to plug a 10 round mag, to reduce it to 8 rounds, for example?

Ammo reductions, magazine limits etc. This is all going from bad to worse - and I've yet to be convinced that any of the representative organisations are doing much of anything, to stand up for us.

Meanwhile, the criminals continue to do whatever the ***k they want.

Grizzly 45

@freddieot Interesting if someone was told to have CCTV installed before being given a restricted licence, just as an example. Would that requirement be then still legally valid if not included on the grant letter or the licence. It would be a condition beyond the morm and not listed anywhere

Providing of course,it isn't a level of security that can be justified and not to the point of vexation. IOW wants real-time monitoring of CCTV and a moat filled with sharks, with laser beams mounted on their heads, and of course, it is being applied to all restricted owners in a district.

As for the mag capacity issue on rifles.Beats me why,unless you actually do have a single shot or double rifle.Why everyone isn't just saying on their applications,or queries ten shots straight away,as most rifles nowadays with detachable mags are a ten shot from the factory by default.Doesn't say anywhere that you have to possess a ten-shot mag for the rifle.Just whats its max legal/unrestricted or restricted capacity?

hiddenmongoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120676209#Comment_120676209

Not true, people are receiving licences with a reduction from what they had, and are having to contact them to have it changed, an example is a friend who had his bolt action rifle reduced to 5 rounds from 10, they changed it back to ten when he complained

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120680254#Comment_120680254

Im don’t follow which part of my post that makes untrue? We are aware it’s happen, I gave a means to clarify at the start rather than after the fact.

hiddenmongoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120680868#Comment_120680868

This part..

'People are only receiving the "restriction" if that's the capacity of the firearm applied for.'

People are receiving the 'restriction' bringing the fro 10 round mags (which they had for years) down to 5 round mags

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120681994#Comment_120681994

Did you see this part: "If people are applying for 10-shot [rifles], it will say 10 rounds."

I'd imagine that many, if not everyone, being restricted are not including their mag capacity on the form. Leaving it up to the default, or whatever is on the system. It's understandable, as there was never a need to before.

The example I gave was my Ruger American (the standard one, not the AICS mag one). If anybody looked up that rifle online, all the specs available from Ruger would say it's a 4 round. If I left it blank, it may be limited to 4 rounds and I understand their logic. So if it were me, I'd be requesting 10 rounds from the get go.

People are receiving the 'restriction' bringing the fro 10 round mags (which they had for years) down to 5 round mags

I'm open to correction, but I don't believe there was ever any record or approval for 10-round mags. People could just own them, legally, if they had an appropriate license. Now seems like a good time to get them on record.

Vizzy

"I'd imagine that many, if not everyone, being restricted are not including their mag capacity on the form. Leaving it up to the default, or whatever is on the system. It's understandable, as there was never a need to before."

There was no indication on the renewal form I received as to the magazine capacity for my rifle, nor was there anywhere to input a "requested capacity", unless you were to include it on a separate letter.

dalalada

What about pistols they can take ten technically but limited to five

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120683983#Comment_120683983

There's a S.I. that allows for the plugging of pistol magazines so that they can only hold 5 rounds.

If you've a 10 round magazine for your pistol, you best get plugging (if you'll pardon the pun 😁).

dalalada

My question had nothing to do with a person plugging or having the legal limit in the magazine. I am pretty sure everyone who values their licences has that done.

If asked on future FCA forms what the mag capacity of your pistol mag is, is it 5 or 10? Saying 5 would be a lie as i don’t know any magazine that’s made to 5 there mostly 10. Unless a plugged mag is considered a new mag according to that SI.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120684085#Comment_120684085

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120683222#Comment_120683222

Apparently the form is being updated. I would literally just write on the form at this stage.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120684671#Comment_120684671

For an unrestricted pistol the capacity needs to be 5 or less. Whether that’s original or modified capacity is irrelevant.

Having a pistol mag with capacity of 10 is a breach of the license* so definitely don’t put that down.

*Unless it’s a restricted license obviously.

dalalada

Sums that up. Thanks for answering.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685118#Comment_120685118

Can see how people will over look how important this will be for them in future. Dropping your our magazine capacity down without releasing and then your ammo being reduced by the PTB.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685343#Comment_120685343

Can see how they have any cause to reduce ammo limits.

If I’m target shooting. I’ll be sending X rounds down range. Whether that’s via a 10 round mag or a 3 round mag is not going to drastically affect my total.

I could use a single shot sled and I’d still send the same number of rounds.

dalalada

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120685405#Comment_120685405

This is what we’re dealing with. Throw in moderator refusals and you got a party

lefthooker

I put in a sub at the start of May. A newer variant of the rifle I had, so same make model and calibre, just a different serial number.

There was no contact from the gardai during the processing but in their wisdom they decided my magazine fed rifle should now be single shot. 🤦‍♂️

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120752388#Comment_120752388

A swift phone call to them is required methinks.

Gumbo

I applied for a pistol in May. Received licence with no reduction in round allowances.

Applied for and received 1000.

Edit. Just realised I’ve posted about ammo in possession rather than mag capacity. Apologies.

Grizzly 45

Got my Glock renewed recently.

Had a mag capacity of 18 down.[So they counted for a loaded chamber]. However, got on to the chief's office about it to inform them that the default for a restricted CF handgun is 20, because, legislation both Irish& EU and to put on notice that some of my mags have a plus 3 conversion to bring them up to mag capacity of 20 max and [b] I don't carry on a loaded chamber.

The best thing we can all do is if you have a detachable mag-loaded rifle, CF or rim is set this question to a default answer of 10.

Update.27/6.

Got a letter from them today to state they will reissue the liscense in due course.

dalalada

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120772000#Comment_120772000

good