Four children injured in France knife attack, two in critical condition - **read OP for warnings**

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692293#Comment_120692293

Thus far theres no evidence that he's a muslim.

The DayDream

My suspicion is the whole 'in the name of Jesus' and wearing a cross is total misdirection. Maybe 10% of Syrians are Christian. When was the last time a Christian, as crazy as they can be, perpetrated an attack on random members of the public? I don't buy it for a second. There's only one religion that shouts about their God when they commit random murders that I ever heard of. They just used their normal M.O and switched it to the Christian deity I bet.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692459#Comment_120692459

You don’t understand how someone can conclude that someone who randomly attacks small children is not mentally well? That’s a bit scary. Do you believe someone who could do such things is of sound mind or something?

Equally someone who partakes willingly in Islamic extremist acts such as beheadings, suicide bombings etc. is also suffering a mental delusion.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692664#Comment_120692664

er, ever hear of random attacks in Dublin? People get randomly assaulted and unfortunately, murdered all the time. Pretty sure most of the Irish offenders are Christian......

not that it matters one bit anyway

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692664#Comment_120692664

You evidence being them wearing Christian symbols and their Swedish wife stating that they were a Christian? It’s definitive then, definitely a Muslim.

Oh and while about 10% of Syrians are. Christian, the proportion of Christian’s among Syrians in Sweden is closer to 20%.

I can see the next argument being formatted already by the brains trust though. What’s the over/ under on how long until someone claims the French authorities planted to Christian symbols to “ let the Muslims off the hook”?

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692664#Comment_120692664

Mass public and school shootings in the US, the last one only a couple of weeks ago are carried out mainly by Christians.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692619#Comment_120692619

Wut?

thousands more like him != ALL REFUGEES

Dear God.

The DayDream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692687#Comment_120692687

No I haven't heard of a mass random stabbing or shooting in Dublin, cuz there hasn't been one. Or an attack on random children, cuz that hasn't happened either. Post a link if I'm wrong. Since you won't be able to you could also try finding a single attack where someone other than a Muslim shouted the name of a God before trying to murder strangers.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692716#Comment_120692716

Oh right, cos that's not what you said in your post. You said attacks on random members of the public.

If you want to change your post now, we can refer you to random mass shootings in the US. Most offenders are Christian.

The DayDream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692711#Comment_120692711

That shooter went to a Christian school and had an agenda against them because she was transgender and went to that actual school and felt persecuted by their beliefs and such.

I don't recall any mass killers saying they did it for Jesus or shouting about Jesus. That's a thing Muslims have been known to do.

Most Americans if they have faith are some kind of Christian, but that hasn't been known to be a big factor in any attacks. The Christchurch attacks were obviously anti-Muslim, but this attack wasn't on Muslims or at a mosque.

I guess this guy is not only one of the 10% of Syrian Christians but also one of the miniscule % of Christians who commit mass (attempted) murder. And I guess despite the fact most hardcore Christians are staunchly against aborting fetuses, this Christian was cool with stabbing babies and toddlers. Yeah, it all adds up!

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120690471#Comment_120690471

But it has, there was two cases of asylum seekers killing killing multiple people in premeditated blade attacks.

Beasty

Unless it is shown to be relevant drop references to Islam/Muslims

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692763#Comment_120692763

I wasn't talking about the shooting where the attacker identified as transgender, but perhaps not surprising that is the one you bring up.

There have been multiple shootings at mosques, synagogues by Christians, as well as attacks on churches because of who make up the congregation.

As for going on about God, normally done in their manifesto.

The rest of your post makes even less sense, plenty of hard core Christians who are against abortion have no issues with killing children or adults.

The DayDream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692756#Comment_120692756

I don't need to change anything, nothing similar to today's attack has happened here, you know that. And tell me, what attacker in the US said they did it because of their Christian beliefs? What attacker other than a Muslim has shouted about God while they went on their rampage? I don't remember any mass killer using Jesus as the reason. They might have been born into a Christian family but it wasn't the reason for their attacks, they typically had some beef with a family member, coworker, etc or in Buffalo and in thae Dylan Roof case it was race based.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692756#Comment_120692756

But not killing in the name of Christ unlike those who kill while chanting Allah Akbar

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692131#Comment_120692131

What are you waffling about?

You refuse to accept he is Christian even though all the facts to date indicate he is Christian. Why are you being so weird about it?

"Real-time history"? Do you know how silly that sounds? Credibility=Zero.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692694#Comment_120692694

That’s an awful thing to say.

What else is there to talk about when asylum seekers/refugees/Muslims are getting marred with a very bloody brush over the actions of a single, awful human being? I’m glad to see decent people not letting it slide.

nachouser

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crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692814#Comment_120692814

Here is someone who used the perverted idea of Christian superiority to justify their crime. Wrote an extensive manifesto outlining the reasons. Reads quite like many a boards post in places

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693147#Comment_120693147

"Reads like many a boards post".

This thread is just about point scoring at this stage.

"People, including children were stabbed for no reason, must be time to accuse people I don't like of being x, y or z."

titan18

Sounds like a motive

https://www.thejournal.ie/suspect-in-annecy-playground-attack-was-denied-french-asylum-minister-says-6088880-Jun2023/

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693223#Comment_120693223

Quite clear from this that he was not of sound mind. It states the reason he was refused asylum was because he had already been granted asylum in Sweden and therefore did not need to apply for asylum to stay in France or anywhere else in the EU

Jackiebt

I watched the full video, the guy with the backpack is an absolute hero. He did just about enough to fend the lunatic off, amazing display of bravery. Also, I'm astonished that RTE mentioned that the attacker is a Syrian Refugee.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693223#Comment_120693223

Shhhh… can’t be talking about motive here. He did this heinous crime because he’s an asylum seeker. Can’t be any other reason behind it.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692814#Comment_120692814

Yawn. The strange bias people have towards those of a different religion just unbelievable!

'Christian's don't kill randommers '

- proves they do

'yeah well, not while shouting about God '

It's so strange that the only thing people seem to care about when innocents are killed, is the religion of the offender.

Is it just religious people? Like neighbouring parishes in GAA matches or something?

I don't believe in any God and I couldn't care less what god some murderer believes in, they are a murderer.

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691556#Comment_120691556

But people did intervene, quite bravely in fact I would say.

It is actually important to document things that happen in life. Can prove to be very important in many instances.

It wouldn't be my mentality in such moments. Just wouldn't enter my mind at all to grab my phone and start filming... I would either get out of dodge asap, or if I thought I could help in some useful manner I would try to do that.

I find it strange people on here condemning anyone for watching such footage. I watched the video, it's shot from a distance so can't even really see much. But it is horrible knowing what the guy did. I've seen far more cruel and inhumane footage posted over on the Russia thread, for example, by the usual gore merchants over there, which seems to be largely tolerated by the majority on this site.

Beasty

easygoing39 threadbanned

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/09/macron-visit-annecy-knife-attack-victims-two-children-still-critical-condition

The motive for the attack remains unclear. The regional prosecutor, Line Bonnet-Mathis, said the detention of the alleged attacker, named as Abdalmasih H, had been extended on Friday after a psychiatric examination.

Police had not yet been able to interview the suspect, a 31-year-old Syrian national who has refugee status in Sweden and is being investigated for attempted murder, because of his “agitated” condition, French media reported.

Still no motive, but it sounds like he cracked, mentally.

French media reported that the alleged attacker’s mental health was cause for concern. BFM TV quoted unnamed sources as saying the suspect had been “incoherent” since his arrest and had rolled on the floor several times.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693497#Comment_120693497

Good post. That's exactly how I feel - it simply would not enter my head to take out the phone and start videoing a scene like that. It just doesn't compute.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692814#Comment_120692814

Crusades.

2Greyfoxes

Glad to hear the 4 kids are in a stable condition. Hope they pull through and aren't left with any long lasting health complications.

As for the attacker, hope he has a short painful life.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692197#Comment_120692197

Where are people getting that he's a Swedish passport holder? He's a Syrian asylum seeker turned down for asylum in France. He's not Swedish lol.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693163#Comment_120693163

Before you even clicked on the thread everyone knew that this thread would consist of people trying to tar all migrants as a threat and potential killers and then people on the other side saying that is basically unfounded.

I genuinely hope that guy is behind bars for life.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696424#Comment_120696424

The news? He was granted asylum in Sweden, and is the holder of a Swedish passport.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696522#Comment_120696522

Can you provide a link to a reputable news source that he has a Swedish passport? We know he held Swedish ID but that is a different thing and does not indicate citizenship.

I ask again, where are people getting the idea that he held a Swedish passport?

Most of the accounts state that he was granted asylum in Sweden but took advantage of lack of border checks in the Shengen zone to travel to France and apply international protection there too.

Strazdas

The individual appears to have become a loser / dropout in recent times. Was married to a Swedish woman but she divorced him and he apparently was sleeping rough in France in the last few days.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120690446#Comment_120690446

Bite who exactly? Governments couldn't give a toss about terrorist attacks.

It's all about getting the pat on the head from the unelected EU civil servants.

Kurooi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693253#Comment_120693253

Why is that astonishing? Does stating facts need to be policed better? Better shut some journalists up lock them away huh.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691110#Comment_120691110

Certain cultural tropes can influence a person already with a mental disorder to copy a certain type of crime seen perpetuated by a tiny minority of the people they have been influenced by. Eg a terrorist type who claims to be an ultra Islamist with a god given right to kill infidels in the name of his religion may possibly be viewed by a mentally warped Christian of otherwise similar ethnicity as being a role model for his own corrupt version of religion, and his modus operandi copied for whatever motivation may be in the perpetrator’s head.

But of course this is very much a minority thing and eg, if an Irish person suffers from a rare severe variant of paranoid schizophrenia, they are likely to be influenced by a more “Irish” method of killing, eg a farm shotgun used against a few innocent people that are seen to be adversaries.

200mg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696881#Comment_120696881

If all these people are insane why have off the top of my head none been acquitted when they get to court on those grounds. You can be not normal and also not insane. I waited this long to post as could see it turning out to be a sh*t show from the off. Anders Behring Breivik tried to claim he was insane did he not. Some people are just bad and use Religion as an excuse also via indoctrination. The only outlier is a particular Religion. whether lack of education or just plain indoctrination. 1.8 billion followers of that Religion vs 2.2 billion Christians. They seem to have a very large number of nutters compared to Christians.

The other outlier is in Christian attacks God is never really mentioned as a reason. You never off the top of my head hear some white Christian supremacist bang on about god. Oh you will hear about race and stuff like that. OFC this guy ATM seems to be Christian. But IIRC even in the UK to get asylum they are told to claim to be Christian to present a risk of persecution.

This is a general post not really aimed at you Recode.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696998#Comment_120696998

For 2000 years the history of the Christian faith has been one of genocide, terror and fear. It’s only really in less than the last 100 no where this has changed, coinciding with the secularisation of nominally “christian” societies.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696998#Comment_120696998

@200mg wrote:

"If all these people are insane why have off the top of my head none been acquitted when they get to court on those grounds. You can be not normal and also not insane. I waited this long to post as could see it turning out to be a sh*t show from the off. Anders Behring Breivik tried to claim he was insane did he not."

I think in the case of Breivik, it was actually the prosecutors that wanted him declared insane. Breivik's defense team argued successfully that this was not the case.

There was obviously a political angle here. Breivik wanted to be seen as fighting a rational cause and being sent to the nut house would have undermined this. Had Breivik not opposed being declared insane he would have been put into a mental hospital.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693163#Comment_120693163

Alas far too many threads end up being primarily about point scoring rather than helping each other make sense of what sometimes seems to make little sense. I suppose human nature makes us competitive.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697399#Comment_120697399

What can you do when people use every opportunity possible to pain all migrants as potential killers and rapists and a threat? It's not really a logical outlook to brand all migrants like that when one migrant commits a crime is it?

Backstreet Moyes

I find it astonishing in a thread where kids were stabbed that a handful of posters are concerned about migrants getting a bad game.

Wow is all I can say.

Frankie Machine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691985#Comment_120691985

Not knowing anything about the processes myself, I would like to understand why he was looking for asylum in France, if, as I have read, he already had status in Sweden ?

''The suspect, a Syrian refugee named Abdalmasih H by French media, had his asylum request rejected because he has held refugee status in Sweden for the past 10 years.

French authorities rejected the request on 26 April but the suspect only learned of the decision on 4 June, French broadcaster BFMTV said.''

https://news.sky.com/story/syrian-refugee-who-stabbed-british-child-and-five-others-in-annecy-knife-attack-was-denied-asylum-in-france-12899146

Do you, or anyone else here know ?

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120699937#Comment_120699937

His wife said he no longer wanted to live in Sweden. He had applied for citizenship in Sweden but had been turned down.

Had he been granted citizenship he could have moved permanently to France or another EU country (including Ireland). Without citizenship he could travel throughout Schengen but not settle within the EU therefore in order to settle in another EU country he had to gain refugee status in that other country.

Frankie Machine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120700039#Comment_120700039

Thank you.

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697096#Comment_120697096

Nonsense, the Christian faith does not preach terrorism, genocide and fear. It can be argued that the Christian faith and Christian values are what made Europe what it is today, the shining city on the hill. This secularisation is a very recent phenomenon.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709034#Comment_120709034

The enlightenment is what made Europe what it is today, and that was a secular movement. Prior to this it was a continent of inquisitions, torture, burning's at the stake, crusades, pogroms and genocides. The number of people who do not realise the barbaric nature of European "culture" prior to the 18th century is scary. And the emergence to a more tolerant and enlightened culture took 200 years or so from the 17th century.