Four children injured in France knife attack, two in critical condition - **read OP for warnings**

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120690606#Comment_120690606

Stupidity? Odd term to use.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692037#Comment_120692037

Your attempt at understanding is based on speculation and is driven by your own personal biases.

You might find your own truth by writing out such a post but facts are thin on the ground.

Let's face it, if a white supremacist had committed this crime you wouldn't be trying to understand how their own emotional turmoil was a catalyst for their actions.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692451#Comment_120692451

Let's face it, if a white supremacist had committed this crime you wouldn't be trying to understand how their own emotional turmoil was a catalyst for their actions.

But it is though, it's dissected the hell out of, GRT, manifestos, all that. And when a white supremacist killing happens there are conservatives who demand to see the manifesto just as surely as they would demand to see a baptism cert in this thread. We had people on boards demanding the trans shooter manifesto too. Manifestos which, generally, would give a direct window into that exact thing.

Prosecutors have already stated no terrorism link, so the equivocation to white supremacy is misleading.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692464#Comment_120692464

'Must be about'

How definitive.

And originally you said

'The number of asylum seekers/ refugees/ migrants that commit horrific attacks in Europe is unbelievable...'

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692451#Comment_120692451

Of course I would. I have done in the past. What poisoned their mind so much to take the lives of others.

Now, again, what benefit is there in not knowing why they did what they did?

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691957#Comment_120691957

I have no idea what I would have done.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692486#Comment_120692486

Unless you're a qualified psychologist all you're doing by posting that type of thing is adding useless commentary.

There's no benefit in posting waffle based on nothing more than your own unqualified opinion.

Can you cite evidence that supports your hypothesis that men who are estranged from their families are predisposed to stabbing infants in pushchairs? Edit. I mean this in a very specific sense here not in terms of the notion that such estrangement can have more nebulous negative effects. Also I won't be responding to users on my block list directly.

You could do with taking a step back and looking at what it is you're saying and maybe you'll understand why it could be deemed to be in poor taste to post it.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692360#Comment_120692360

"And others" - You mean The professionals investigating. You're just groundlessly peddling nonsense here.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692396#Comment_120692396

Nah. It's the other way around. You are weaponising it against Muslims for no reason.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691997#Comment_120691997

I asked a poster to provide a post where someone mentioned ALL REFUGEES as somehow typical of the stabber. That poster failed to provide a post that assisted him and I told him so. You bizarrely blundered in to suggest I had moved the goalposts.

Moving the goalposts applies where evidence that supports the point applies and there's is a request for additional evidence.

Ergo, moving the goalposts does not apply.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120690471#Comment_120690471

Only a matter of time.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691988#Comment_120691988

That was his point. Whooooooooooosh.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692459#Comment_120692459

I’ve read a few articles know on that Liverpool bomber, and I’ve yet to see one where it’s described as an Islamist attack. He didn’t even say “Allahu Akbar”. In fact the taxi driver said the only two words the bomber said was “Womens Hospital”. The bomb was made by himself, and the police said it looked like he had no help at all.

So I still don’t really understand why you’re trying to segue him into this story. He doesn’t fit your “Muslim fakes being a Christian to get in the country to terrorise it” narrative.

I’m not entirely surprised you don’t understand the mentally ill defence, given that there needs to be some empathy towards the aggressor. I don’t believe you are capable of that.

To your question about beheadings. I’m not an expert by any stretch, but It could be as simple as a social construct. In some Islamic countries, the punishment is beheading for some crimes, so they don’t see it as barbaric behaviour, but as “God’s will”. (I obviously think it’s barbaric, before anyone thinks I’m defending the practice)

Thats the last thing I’ll say on Islam/Muslim now that it’s settled that as of now, at the time of his death he was neither unless it is proven later that he is the strangest Islamic terrorist Europe has seen.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692507#Comment_120692507

The evidence that family separation is harmful dates back to studies on the effects of parent-child separations on children’s well-being during World War II. This research documented far reaching effects of these separations into adulthood, including increased risk for mental health problems, poor social functioning, insecure attachment, disrupted stress reactivity, and mortality (Pesonen & Räikkönen, 2012; Rusby & Tasker, 2009; Mitrani, Santisteban, & Muir, 2004). Other research similarly documents the harmful effects of parental separation on child well-being in a variety of other child populations including children in Romanian orphanages (Zeanah, Nelson, Fox, et al., 2003), children in foster care (Flannery, Beauchamp, & Fisher, 2017) and children of incarcerated parents (Geller, Garfinkel, Cooper & Mincy, 2009; Miller, 2006). More recent work has documented the increased mental health risk faced by both parents and children when they are separated in the immigration process (Suarez-Orozco, Bang, & Kim., 2011; Rusch & Reyes, 2013). Parent-child separation has long-term effects on child well-being, even if there is subsequent reunification. After being separated, reunited children can experience difficulty with emotional attachment to their parents, self-esteem, and physical and psychological health (Smith, Lalonde, & Johnson, 2004; Gubernskaya & Debry, 2017). For some children, time does not appear to fully heal these psychological wounds (Shonkoff et al., 2012).

https://www.srcd.org/briefs-fact-sheets/the-science-is-clear

And violence among couples with custody disputes is, sadly, very common, up to and including homicide.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692505#Comment_120692505

you said

'The number of asylum seekers/ refugees/ migrants that commit horrific attacks in Europe is unbelievable...'

So, what's the number?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692568#Comment_120692568

The problem is your portrayal. You are framing it that anyone against this possible Islamist extremist attack

No, it has already been ruled out by the acting French prosecutor.

Why are we still seeing posters repeat differently?

Ten of Swords

Mod - Thread is going completely off topic with tangents irrelevant to the attack in France today. It is also generating a large number of reported posts.

Can we get the thread back on topic and can some posters exercise a bit of cop on please rather than petty point scoring in the wake of the horrible events today. Thanks

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692543#Comment_120692543

Good lord.

Shall we break it down?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691699#Comment_120691699

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691715#Comment_120691715

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691730#Comment_120691730

So you did not ask

a poster to provide a post where someone mentioned ALL REFUGEES as somehow typical of the stabber

You asked

Can you point to a single post that vilified "all refugees"?

There’s a very big difference there.

I posted the second post in this thread that did indeed try to vilify “all refugees”

Some asylum seeker he is eh? The poor cratur just wanting to flee persecution and war. Me hole he was and thousands more like himcoming into this country!

Thats when you moved the goalposts from asking for a single post that vilified all refugees to

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691813#Comment_120691813

Hence, moving the goalposts. The post did vilify “thousands more like him” (not all, I’ll give you that 😉). It doesn’t matter what they were referring to. You asked for a single post vilifying all refugees, and you got it. So spare me your lecture on what moving the goalposts means.

johannmall

Mental health issues , apparently sat there day in day out , but it's red meat for the anti migrant cohort , who would know nothing of the no blacks , no dogs , no irish ! All due to IRA bombings in the UK , if you're a Christian, turn the other cheek !

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692592#Comment_120692592

you do your usual posts, stating something bad about refugees or asylum seekers, then refuse to back up any claims, then move goalposts. People can see what your about.

You brought up attacks by refugees , no one else.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692293#Comment_120692293

Thus far theres no evidence that he's a muslim.

The DayDream

My suspicion is the whole 'in the name of Jesus' and wearing a cross is total misdirection. Maybe 10% of Syrians are Christian. When was the last time a Christian, as crazy as they can be, perpetrated an attack on random members of the public? I don't buy it for a second. There's only one religion that shouts about their God when they commit random murders that I ever heard of. They just used their normal M.O and switched it to the Christian deity I bet.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692459#Comment_120692459

You don’t understand how someone can conclude that someone who randomly attacks small children is not mentally well? That’s a bit scary. Do you believe someone who could do such things is of sound mind or something?

Equally someone who partakes willingly in Islamic extremist acts such as beheadings, suicide bombings etc. is also suffering a mental delusion.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692664#Comment_120692664

er, ever hear of random attacks in Dublin? People get randomly assaulted and unfortunately, murdered all the time. Pretty sure most of the Irish offenders are Christian......

not that it matters one bit anyway

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692664#Comment_120692664

You evidence being them wearing Christian symbols and their Swedish wife stating that they were a Christian? It’s definitive then, definitely a Muslim.

Oh and while about 10% of Syrians are. Christian, the proportion of Christian’s among Syrians in Sweden is closer to 20%.

I can see the next argument being formatted already by the brains trust though. What’s the over/ under on how long until someone claims the French authorities planted to Christian symbols to “ let the Muslims off the hook”?

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692664#Comment_120692664

Mass public and school shootings in the US, the last one only a couple of weeks ago are carried out mainly by Christians.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692619#Comment_120692619

Wut?

thousands more like him != ALL REFUGEES

Dear God.

The DayDream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692687#Comment_120692687

No I haven't heard of a mass random stabbing or shooting in Dublin, cuz there hasn't been one. Or an attack on random children, cuz that hasn't happened either. Post a link if I'm wrong. Since you won't be able to you could also try finding a single attack where someone other than a Muslim shouted the name of a God before trying to murder strangers.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692716#Comment_120692716

Oh right, cos that's not what you said in your post. You said attacks on random members of the public.

If you want to change your post now, we can refer you to random mass shootings in the US. Most offenders are Christian.

The DayDream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692711#Comment_120692711

That shooter went to a Christian school and had an agenda against them because she was transgender and went to that actual school and felt persecuted by their beliefs and such.

I don't recall any mass killers saying they did it for Jesus or shouting about Jesus. That's a thing Muslims have been known to do.

Most Americans if they have faith are some kind of Christian, but that hasn't been known to be a big factor in any attacks. The Christchurch attacks were obviously anti-Muslim, but this attack wasn't on Muslims or at a mosque.

I guess this guy is not only one of the 10% of Syrian Christians but also one of the miniscule % of Christians who commit mass (attempted) murder. And I guess despite the fact most hardcore Christians are staunchly against aborting fetuses, this Christian was cool with stabbing babies and toddlers. Yeah, it all adds up!