Union Jack flying south of the border

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981784#Comment_120981784

Already told you - that's not the part of your logic I'm disputing.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981851#Comment_120981851

Seriously - you make no sense whatsoever, and you seem unable to clarify what you imagine you mean when asked what "mob rule" has to do with democracy, or why we have to negotiate with Unionists to reunify Ireland, when as explained, in the GFA, a 50 percent plus 1 vote is what is needed to reunify our country.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981861#Comment_120981861

I'm told you twice!! What about the minority who didn't vote for it?

Dslatt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981867#Comment_120981867

The minority that didnt vote for it can like it or lump it, like every vote ever

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981895#Comment_120981895

Not a chance.

United Ireland will not work with a belligerent minority North or South of the border, and I would imagine a lot of pro-UI people would vote against a UI if it meant a return to any form of violence.

I personally would vote against UI if there was a risk of violence.

Unflushable Turd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981895#Comment_120981895

Not quite. Parity of Esteem is a key principle of the GFA.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981949#Comment_120981949

One thing we learned from Brexit and US presidential elections is that everyone loses when the voting is close. Even if GFA required 50%+1 I would hope that cooler heads would wait until the results was a near guaranteed 60%+

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981895#Comment_120981895

Exactly. Democracy without negotiation, mob rule/totalitarianism. Sorted.

Dslatt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982029#Comment_120982029

Erm no.. you go to the polls, there is a vote, it is in favor one way or the other. What about those people who didnt want to repeal the 8th or introduce gay marriage? should we only allow abortions on tuesdays to appease them? or gays can only be married some of the time?

Unflushable Turd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982041#Comment_120982041

50+1 will equal a united Ireland, but the question is what that Ireland will look like.

A poster was implying that unionists would be crushed and told to lump it, but that is contrary to the GFA

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982041#Comment_120982041

Gay marriage was 62% in favour, abortion was 66% in favour.

Funny enough, divorce was 50.3% which was very close and still there are many people who do not believe in divorce, and treat divorced women especially with distain.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981867#Comment_120981867

What about them???

Unionists are signed up to the GFA reunification of Ireland process, are they not?

Either Unionists subscribe to the tenets of democracy or they do not - which is it???

Minoritarianism is the antithesis of democracy.

Dslatt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982055#Comment_120982055

and if a united Ireland passes with say 58% of the vote? Pandering to every unionist tantrum is why the north is the way it is. If the vote is 70% in favour or 50% plus 1 its still a majority, the people have spoken, get on with it.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982029#Comment_120982029

There is no logic to your posts at all - it's like you want to rewrite the GFA, which duh... was a negotiation.

Comedy Gold.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981949#Comment_120981949

That has absolutely nothing to do with the 50 percent plus 1 vote needed to reunify Ireland.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120717616#Comment_120717616

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheasant_Island

What about Pheasant Island, sometimes French, sometimes Spanish?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982085#Comment_120982085

Yeah, I.know, you said, I agreed.

I take you're not interested in the point i raised so leaving you here.

Sunny Disposition

50% plus one vote in favour of reunification has to be respected. If such a vote were to happen and not be respected then armed force against those stopping it would be entirely justified. 100%.

But of course if there is reunification there will have to be very significant concessions to unionists. Schools catering for Protestants in the North can't be expected to have compulsory Irish, the tricolour may have to replaced as the national flag and we will need a new anthem. There would probably need to be quotas for Northern Protestants in the Gardai, and the name of the force would probably have to change. There's a lot to it.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120719660#Comment_120719660

Up to 2022, many young Irish people just associated it with Reebok 😀

BaywatchHQ

There would be many people in those border regions with a lot of Ulster plantation ancestry but I don't know if they are involved with that heritage. Off the top of my head I remember Monaghan footballers with the surname Woods which sounds like a plantation name.

Many people in the Irish republic would love to have a union flag in their towns too as they are big Anglophiles and dislike island nationalism. When I say "island nationalism" I mean they are against a unified Ireland. Ulster unionists and Irish republic citizens actually have a lot in common. I have noticed their soccer fans get along well, I seen a video of them all mingling at Euro 2016. It shows you how different southerners are to us northern catholics, they don't have the bitterness that we have because they don't live beside the unionists.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982041#Comment_120982041

What about those people who didnt want to repeal the 8th or introduce gay marriage?

What about them?

Nobody is forcing them to have an abortion or marry someone of the same sex.

Obviously a UI vote is completely different as it would greatly affect everyone living on this island.

osarusan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987953#Comment_120987953

I was leaving the FAI cup final a couple of years ago and as the crowds trudged out, there was some lad with a jacket that had a tiny Union Jack flag on the logo on the upper arm. Don't know if Reebok make jackets, maybe it was Karrimor or some other brand.

Some hilarious wit heads over to him, scratches at the flag with a finger and drawls in a thick Dublin accent, "heyorr pal, you've a bit of **** on yer jacket' before heading back to his pals with a completley unjustified self-satisfied grin on his face.

Hotblack Desiato

Many people in the Irish republic would love to have a union flag in their towns too

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣



Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993651#Comment_120993651

If you were visiting Tel Aviv and had a swastika on your clothing how do you think that would be received?

A little Russian flag in Kyiv?

To many people in Ireland that flag represents the subjugation and attempted extermination of the Irish people.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982124#Comment_120982124

Well that proves they don't have a dispute over it - they have an agreement which both sides find acceptable.

Also, nobody lives there.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994571#Comment_120994571

Many people associate the Irish Tricolour with the PIRA, as the PIRA draped that flag on the coffins of their dead. Now that you mention the swastika, Sean Russell the IRA man who died on a German Nazi submarine in WW2 was an infamous man associated with both the Tricolour and the Swastika.

The Union Jack stood up more for defending these islands from Nazism and the Swastika - no surprise hundreds of thousands choose to volunteer and serve under that flag. Even to this day jets with little Union jacks are the only jets that defend our airspace from Russian jets and scrambled and sent to intercept whenever Russian jets threaten our airspace with their transponders turned off. As you mention Tel Aviv, the people of that city have plenty of respect for the Union Jack, certainly a lot more than for Sean Russell and his Nationalist Socialist friends. Part of the Union Jack incorporates the flag of Ireland. It is generally respected around the world as a flag of freedom, tolerance, democracy. What did the tricolour do to combat the Swastika or help those in Tel Aviv, as you mention those?

If people can fly tricolours in the UK jurisdiction, people should be able to fly the U.J. in Ireland. Personally, I would do neither.

Hotblack Desiato

No idea why you're going on about Sean Russell, him and the rest of them were twats of the worst order.

SF/IRA attempted to steal our flag from us but Jack Charlton helped us win it back 😃

Part of the Union Jack incorporates the flag of Ireland. 

Not the flag of Ireland but the banner of the semi-mythological figure St. Patrick. But that's one of the biggest problems with it. It continues to make a territorial claim over all of Ireland.

It is generally respected around the world as a flag of freedom, tolerance, democracy.

In all seriousness - are you taking the mick or what? The flag that enslaved and subjugated more of the world than any other.

Number of countries in the world never invaded by Britain = 22.

indioblack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121002466#Comment_121002466

An untidy map. Those grey areas need to be shaded into a nice blue colour [!].

Weren't Belarus, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan part of the Russian Empire and/or USSR?

And wasn't Mongolia part of China?

That takes it down to 17.

But Greenland?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121002466#Comment_121002466

The Irish Tricolour has forever been sullied by its linkage to the PIRA. There is no getting it back. It should be ditched for a new flag.

As for someone flying the UJ down here, no problem with that, it's nothing like the Swastika, and British people should be entitled to enjoy and display their culture here.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120722413#Comment_120722413

There are also facts , which I prefer to studies , that show former colonies had a higher life expectancy , higher levels of literacy and standards of living during colonial rule.