General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

theoneeyedman

Villa were 2 up, but 2 quick goals make it 2-2. Villa park in silence.

ctrl-alt-delete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984486#Comment_121984486

Even quieter in the home end now…

mobydopy

3-2 Brentford, what a comeback

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984507#Comment_121984507

WOW!

Bluebb993

Another 2 assists for regululion. United could do with him

Arghus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984332#Comment_121984332

What? Who was saying this? I've heard and read nothing but praise for Wolves this year. People have been talking about Gary O' Neil having an outside shot for the Manager of the year award. Definitely not the prevailing narrative that Wolves are having a bad season.

ctrl-alt-delete

Toney (who didn't start) & Collins had a vocal argument at the end of the game. Great to see none of this covering-of-the-mouth stuff (however I am no lip-reader). Toney did give graphical help with his fingers as he mouthed 3-3!

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984545#Comment_121984545

Don't know who the 2 bozos were, one of them was a former Burnley player (Tracey?) and another lad too, but or wasn't challenged which made me wonder what was driving the chat.

Dan Steely

Is Ferguson injured or dropped from the squad?

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984831#Comment_121984831

injured. missed the Brentford game with it too.. think its just a knock though, not too serious.

BorneTobyWilde

He won the ball, not rocket science

Mr.Crinklewood

Silly tackle

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984898#Comment_121984898

Dumb, and the only thing dumber is Lee Dixon talking about it not a foul. An I'm no Arsenal fan.

finno

it's a pen stupid tackle

BorneTobyWilde

You make a great tackle, win the ball, and it's still a penalty. No way Liverpool get that, hell we can get a karate kick to the chest and still not get a penalty.

McDermotX

Just a case of the onfield decision being backed by VAR.

If the ref hadn't given it, it wouldn't have been overturned.

Whether you think it's a pen or no, at the very, very least…….the ref should be made go over to the monitor for those. Decision shouldn't lie with VAR

Quazzie

Anyone claim it's not a penalty needs to have a word with themselves. Could've very easily been an ankle breaker the impact was that strong.

noodler

Pen for me too tbf

theoneeyedman

He didn't won the ball though. He grazed the ball on the way to creaming Jesus out of it with a kick. 100% foul, and as I say I'm not biased towards arsenal at all. Mr Brooks has been kind to Arsenal in general though, he's allowing a lot of blocking and cynical fouls on the break, but that's pat for the course.

Ehh, look at the state of the tackle. You have got to be blind to say it's anything other than a peno

https://twitter.com/Citizen_baker/status/1776661632854188139?t=kisjJcu73dFTe5b8OaPG9g&s=19

Fitz*

I think it's a blatant penalty.

I also wish that referees / VAR would give it consistently and not use the 'got a touch' excuse to not give the penalty.

SlickRic

It's absolutely a penalty. But not every ref gives it to every team.

That's the issue.

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121985018#Comment_121985018

Surely that tweet is taking the piss with sarcasm about Doku

djan

Clear penalty and quite naive of Lamptey to take such a swipe at Jesus when there was another Brighton defender beside him.

Just beuaces you brush the ball doesn't mean you can take out someone's leg. Thankfully this has approach has been implemented in the rules of the game years ago.

Good game so far with plenty of chances so hopefully a lively second half.

theoneeyedman

Haha, Ben White, what an embarrassing dive to try to get the Brighton player sent off. Should be a yellow for white,

Great win for Arsenal. Be some achievement if they do it.

noodler

Arsenal not having to get out of third gear again.

Bodes very well you'd probably say

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982327#Comment_121982327

You are trying to cover all the bases in that post which is ridiculous. Van Gaal won the league in his previous season in club football. Yes he was out of club football for a few years but in that time he brought a very average Dutch team to a world cup semi-final.

Mourinho had never failed to win a league title at any of his previous clubs. You saying you thought it wouldn't work out means you completely dismiss history and experience of winning titles.

In your world nobody would sign a world class player who had a strop because his history and experience means nothing.

There's been issues with players at United pretty much all through the post-Ferguson era. Why has this been happening? Is it because somebody has a problem with the manager, which happens, and when he goes to talk to somebody else they aren't football people and can't sort it out and cause bigger problems?

This is part of what I think has been going on at United.

To dismiss Van Gaal and Mourinho as you have is ridiculous.

Dismissing Mourinho's time there as you have is very odd, it's like the Europa League means nothing and a runner-up finish in the league meant nothing.

Van Gaal won the FA Cup and things looked to be improving under him but that wasn't enough for the boys upstairs.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982386#Comment_121982386

Lets just be clear, I said I think ETH is a good manager, I didn't make a statement of fact as you seem to suggest in your post.

You can't do anything at the expected United level at West Ham. Moyes has done a great job at West Ham which compares him favourably to anything that's been done at United since he left when we consider the large gap in budgets etc.

I suspect the problems at United have been upstairs and it looks like that's about to be sorted out with an experienced professional sports man now in charge of the club.

Van Gaal and Mourinho couldn't win a league title there. Some people are quick to dismiss as them as bad managers which is ludicrous.

So ETH is getting the same opinion from those same people. I'd just like to see him get a year in a guaranteed proper set up to see how he does. Then we'll know if it was upstairs that caused the problems or the actual manager that is the problem.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121985298#Comment_121985298

A lot of this is just going to be opinions - mine just differ from yours, no need for the ridicule.

I think Van Gaal was a fantastic innovative coach in his younger years. I really like the guy, think he's a lovely chap and one of the greats in his prime, and I think he was still an alright coach at 62, but far from where he used to be. I think taking 3 years out of the club game entirely at that stage is huge. I think he did alright, about what you'd expect from a guy of his age and standing at that stage of his career. A stable hand after Moyes. Was hard to see an innovative resurgence under him though. The slightly slower pace of international ball suited him better at that stage I think - was still a good international coach when he went back to NL after.

That Mourinho title thing is a weird thing to be throwing your hat on… I think, sure, he could still have won a league somewhere (a Juve, or Bayern for instance) - just not a hope with Utd as they were at the time, with Pep joining City. Do you honestly reckon had Utd not 'ruined' him as you say, that he'd have gone and won a league with Spurs afterwards? I don't think a league title inside 3 years was ever realistic - and he's never lasted anywhere longer than 3 years.

During that second Chelsea stint he became a parody of his worst attributes (vindictively setting out to destroy Eva Carneiro's career being a weird low point), and there's been no going back since. You mentioned Utd ruining him - imo during that second Chelsea stint he ruined himself. The trend of coming in full of bombast and getting a solid rise in performances before exploding and leaving in flames became his trademark - which he did at Chelsea, then Utd, then Spurs in quick succession. And he also did alright at Utd in that 'up' spell before the implosion, with a few nice cup wins, but there was - for me - never any hope of him being the one to set them up for the longer term. I never felt there was any chance 'utd would be back' under him. The implosion was always coming.

I'm really not sure what you mean by 'dissmissing' Van Gaal. As I said in both posts, I think Van Gaal did alright, and probably deserved another season, but he was I think past his best by then. Top level football moves on. Same for Mourinho (though with him it's as much his ever-increasingly bitter destructive attitude as it is football's evolution). Both perhaps the right guys at the wrong time in their careers - but by the time Mourinho in particular joined there was little chance of him becoming a platform they could build from. He just wasn't that kind of guy. He doesn't leave platforms. He leaves scorched earth.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984905#Comment_121984905

Seriously? Ah why am I bothering.

doc_17

I didn’t think the Gvardiol one was a stonewall penalty, but it’s another one that goes in favour of City. They’ve probably had 115 of those too over the last number of years.
The Arsenal one is interesting, just because you get the ball doesn’t mean it’s not a penalty. Ben White should be hit with a charge for that dive. People will say he’s embarrassed himself but he won’t be.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121985895#Comment_121985895

Did they get rid of this? He needs a 3 game ban for yesterday.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/20/carlisle-united-shaun-miller-first-player-suspended-diving

doc_17

I don’t know, but it’s something that isn’t as much of a factor now that VAR is in I suppose as the ref has a little help.
Heard on The Athletic podcast this week that Casemiro missed 31 games tnrough injury in his 9 seasons at Real. He’s already missed 19 games this season alone due to injury.

djan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987268#Comment_121987268

It seemed like he made contact with White so while he made a meal of it, it technically wasn't a dive. This happens pretty much every match so not a big deal, just a tad embarrassing but it's all done to get under the skin of the opposition.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987347#Comment_121987347

It's blantant cheating and a 3 game ban must be applied if it's still in effect.

Fitz*

Not my images or data, but I found these interesting.

Mushy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987362#Comment_121987362

Bans for diving only tend to appear if they've actually successfully conned the ref, so would more happen if player got sent off/gave away a penalty. I didn't see full White incident, but did player get booked at the time?

OwaynOTT

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987460#Comment_121987460

don’t think I’d have Thiago in the best 11. Matip and Konate are a toss up but I’d reckon their figures would be similar.

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987481#Comment_121987481

I wouldn't either, but I think the general point stands.

Quazzie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987484#Comment_121987484

The general point is that it's nonsense. Partey starts for Arsenal all day when fully fit.

The Liverpool team is skewed to maximise the agenda that they have lots of injuries. Liverpool have lots of injuries, then don't need to create nonsense like this to show it.

OwaynOTT

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987502#Comment_121987502

I’d have partay in arsenals best 11 too I think.
Apart from Thiago not seeing how the Liverpool best 11 is skewed.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987559#Comment_121987559

Up to this season yes but Rice Jorginho has been a very effective partnership. Not convinced Partey is a dead cert for the first 11 now.

djan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987362#Comment_121987362

I can tell you're just on a wind up but if making the most of contact would lead to 3 game bans there would be very little players left to play the games. Sure the likes of Bruno Fernandes and Gabriel Jesus would hardly get a game 😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987684#Comment_121987684

Have you not seen the clip. You don't ever go down like that in real life, tis my number #1 pet peeve and it's even creeping into gaa.

https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1776926133218390127?t=7qp_4qLFFmaE3uSDL8ecmA&s=19

TheRona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987582#Comment_121987582

The reality with Arsenal is that certain players have stepped up and cemented themselves into the first 11. Players like Partey, Jesus and Zinchenko would have been dead certs for the starting 11, but now you have the likes of Jorginho, Havertz and Kiwior deserving their places. I would actually have Tomi in our strongest 11 as well.

noodler

Thiago in there is hypothetical it's definitely Endo now.

Its a shame to have been missing Robbo and Trent for so long, they are two of our biggest attacking outlets. Matip is just incredible when fit, like another midfielder.

Incant below well we've managed Ali's absence but Jota is probably the biggest loss. We just aren't anywhere near as clinical without him.

This is the most pointless debate I've ever seen.

Pauliedragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987875#Comment_121987875

I agree. Also how can you tell if some of the injuries and down to poor management of players from the S&C team which makes it the clubs own fault

noodler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987930#Comment_121987930

Some of them might be being punished for sins in a past life as well, sure, you just never know