President Biden closes gun control speech in USA with 'God save the Queen'

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742314#Comment_120742314

There is two teleprompters literally visible. He's also at a podium with his speech book.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-those-clear-plastic-squares-that-are-always-mounted-to-the-left-and-right-of-the-President-as-he-gives-a-speech

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742327#Comment_120742327

I'm sure there is a thread for that!

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742262#Comment_120742262

Bidens trip to Mayo and that speech has been cited multiple times on this thread and not just by me.

You have no answer to it other than the typical tactics of deflection and playing the victim.

How do you even know what Bidens normal self is? Have you a baseline from 2013? 2018? How familiar are you with his stutter and how that can cause speech issues? Well?

You havent even seen his speech in Mayo.

So you would not comment on something you havent seen in full but it is blatantly obvious you dont have a full picture of Biden.

Yet you seem to think you are ok to not just comment on him but diagnose dementia from afar.

In replying to your posts I am not replying to you alone. You referenced dementia and another poster used the marbles phrase which is slang for same. So I am addressing the thread and also on the thread 'marbles' as a phrase was referenced.

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742328#Comment_120742328

He doesnt really look at them though he's looking everywhere.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742332#Comment_120742332

"President Biden closes gun control speech"

I'm in the right place?

Overheal

dementia confirmed /s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgRxjZxtx4o

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742342#Comment_120742342

President Biden closes gun control speech in USA with 'God save the Queen' is the full title.

Click on page one to see the OP.

tobefrank321

I will concede he's occassionally gaffe prone, but then again a lot of public figures are due to the sheer amount of time they are recorded.

But gaffe prone and dementia are not the same thing.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742341#Comment_120742341

That's literally why they are there set up like that, it gives the impression hes not looking at them because its eye level - he can see them easily wherever he looks.

I see you sneaky edited your post also. Im sorry to burst your bubble on it - but nobody would be expected to know that off - and it was a super speech.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742352#Comment_120742352

So let's discuss his entire gun control speech then, not just the last 4 words, isn't that quite silly? Pigeonholing/cherrupicking is putting it mildly. Did he discuss "The Pillsbury Man" or the revolutionary army storming the airports elsewhere in the speech or are these 4 words being held up as some sort of dementia proof

tobefrank321

Yep changed the post because i only noticed the telepromptors for the first time. Like Biden I aint perfect and prone to gaffes, but I also don't have dementia.

And I'm done with this thread. You clearly haven't proved he has dementia, apart from citing a few clips of gaffes out of thousands of hours in the public domain. We must be talking of something like 1% of the time he makes a gaffe, which is about average for any normal human being.

I have no doubt you will focus on the gaffes though and ignore anything else. Balance really isn't your strong point is it?

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742335#Comment_120742335

Again - discussion forum not hospital.

I will go now and spend my remaining years watching all footage of Joe Biden, If you guys are still around ill write a comment - hopefully that will qualify me to have a say.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742385#Comment_120742385

Good, maybe you should. You can see I post about him frequently and cover the news multiple times a day. If you follow it a little bit every day, you won't have to play such big catch-ups in the future.

Having personally voted for Joe Biden, I will let you know when I think his mental health is of genuine political concern. I've been on boards.ie across 4 Presidential administrations and each and every one of them were the subject of this ridiculous cycle of making mustard out of molehills. With Trump, he actively sought out controversy: he chose to take the dementia test with the elephants on it, it wasn't ordered by the WH surgeon, or anything like that, they were not concerned with his mental competency either.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742283#Comment_120742283

You must be aware that you are arguing two different things simultaneously here. So which is it?

Either, as you say

“There is no evidence of decline”.

OR

There is no evidence for decline “over and above what is natural for a man of 80”.

I could assure you that my car tyre had no signs of wear, but when you look at it, it is bald, with metal showing and I clarify that it had no signs of wear above what is natural for a 10 year old tyre, these are not the same thing.

ancapailldorcha

To summarise, we're at over 320 posts and not one person can show where Biden has been diagnosed with dementia or even make a convincing argument for it. If some of the same people hadn't repeatedly defended Trump for displaying all of the symptoms of dementia several times, I might have taken their word seriously.

Talk of dementia is a red herring.

Most people over the age of 80 experience natural decline in cognitive function, but who do not have a neurodegenerative disease.

Arguing about dementia diagnoses is therefore irrelevant to what the vast majority of people see and hear with Biden -- that he's clearly well past his prime and that the baton should be passed onto a more suitable candidate.

Most Democrat supporters know this, even if they daren't admit it publicly.

maninasia

Yep if folks actually watched his speeches he's still mentally all there . Not some edited bits or the odd gaffes.

Most people wouldn't do so well at public speaking either. Dementia my arse.

Watch the speeches day after day instead of cherrypicked stuff on youtube. He gives huge numbers of speeches.

Any of you ever try to give a speech when tired ?. I have and it's been terrible.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742770#Comment_120742770

Re-read my post.

I commented specifically on his verbal gaffes. There is a misrepresentation on the threads that this gaffe is evidence of decline - as if it is a new thing. But he has been making gaffes like this for long time. Even using this specific phrase in a domestic context. He has a stutter. So to claim oh he made a gaffe, that's evidence of decline is contradicted by Biden's history.

The latter point was a more general one - not confined to verbal gaffes. Tellingly, those pushing the significant decline \ dementia angle do not engage with the evidence from his trip here. Even though it was only a few months ago.

As for the rest of the post, I have no idea what point you think you are trying to make. If you think Biden or anyone as an 80 year old is too old that's your opinion. If specific claims are made that he is an 80 year old with dementia or is going through significant decline, that's a totally different type of claim. And what has presented on this thread doesn't come anywhere near the threshold for that. Ignoring entire speeches given in Ireland, ignoring the gun control speech apart from one closing remark etc

It is scurrilous nonsense, in large post obviously partisan when contrasted with how Trump's actions are presented. Biden's verbal gaffes are obvious verbal slip ups, of no consequence. By contrast daily 77 year old Donald Trump's verbal "gaffes" incriminate him further, impact his legal defence, cause lawyers to quit. And yet many of the same posters are silent on that. Why do you think that is???

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742184#Comment_120742184

It wasn't meant as a personal attack. Just an observation that you can't help referring to Trump constantly in a thread about Biden.

the.red.baron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120740480#Comment_120740480

the question was about experience

anything to add on that

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742872#Comment_120742872

Wait a second, we are not just talking about verbal “gaffes” . This verbal gaffe labeling is being spun to downplay things it seems.

President Biden needs physical help to find his podium in many cases and has even collapsed in public on stage after presenting as confused.

And Are we ignoring everything else apart from his display in Ireland? In which he did make a very bad “Gaffe” in relation to the black and tans - no big deal in isolation but the issue is it’s not an isolated incident.

i’ll ask again - if this was your parent would you not be concerned for their health?

Again - this thread is not about Trump.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742269#Comment_120742269

When someone has dementia, it doesn't have to mean they are in a permanent state of total mental confusion. The can have moments, days of clarity. Many of us have seen it with elderly relatives. So Biden can still have his moments, when he does a good speech in Ballina, Warsaw or whatever.

If people see Biden exhibiting frequent symptoms of dementia over the last few years, that doesn't mean they part of some "Trump" plot. It has nothing to do with Trump, or anyone else. Maybe as you point out earlier, Joe Rogan could have dementia too - I haven't seen frequent symptoms but I'm not a regular follower of him -and this thread is about BIDEN.

If you want to see a mentally sharp version of Biden, here's a video of him interviewing the academic Thomas Sowell for senate testimony, in the 1980s (ignore the title, I dont think anyone "won").

Two people with slightly different opinions, going at it, in a corteous and basically friendly style, a little humour too. No one accused of being Satan for having a different opinion. Biden lays down some good argumentative traps, and is able to reshape and adjust his points and Sowell rebutt or sidesteps them.

THOMAS SOWELL AND JOE BIDEN DEBATED,SOWELL WON! - YouTube

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743035#Comment_120743035

The thread is about a verbal gaffe. He has been making verbal gaffes for decades.

You included a video which just showed verbal gaffes, with cherry picked pieces of him tripping over his words - ignoring the rest of the speech and speeches he got right. He has a stammer - have you acknowledged this as a possible factor in his verbal gaffes? Did I miss that post?

Who said we are ignoring the rest? You are the one ignoring the performance he put in in Ireland, which seems to be irreconcilable with your amateur \ armchair medical commentary. He mixed up "All Blacks" and "Black and Tans". Absolutely of no consequence, everyone knew what he meant and laughed at it.

Have you watched his speech in Mayo? Have you even watched the entirety of his gun control speech?

So don't talk to me about ignoring things when you consistently do so.

When did he 'collapse' on stage? That's a very specific claim.

If this was a parent I would not be concerned for their health, other than the general strain of the President's workload for an 80 year old. I hope when I am 80 I will be as able as he is eg for a trip like he has done to Ireland and Europe.

kneemos

America has a proud history of mentally and or physically incapacitated President's.

For a country that seems to be so particular about having a healthy one it's odd.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743097#Comment_120743097

Well I wouldn't put it in quite those terms, but there does seem there are times when America is ok with having a old man they know in the White House, who can be trusted not to rock the boat and keep the ship of state on a steady course. The US has so many layers of government it's not like a PM.

At other times a punt on youth like JFK, Obama, Clinton.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743089#Comment_120743089

Here he is collapsing, it’s just a snippet of you watch the full unedited video I’m sure you will see it if you like. This is the same event where he missed the podium initially and had to be walked over to it and then walked off the stage after he fell over. Again all normal things for a man in his twilight years.

https://youtu.be/_ctthyYjglw

And before you say it - fall, collapse, tripped, keeled over whatever - he took a nose dive live on stage after appearing confused and disorientated in the time leading up to it.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743089#Comment_120743089

Your other replies:

You are diverting the conversation and attempting to portray that all that has been raised is verbal gaffes which is simply untrue.

You talk for cherry picking yet harp on and on about Ballina and ignore literal video evidence of someone who appears to be in poor health.

You would be a bad child then if you wouldn’t be concerned for your parent - at least have him checked out to make sure he is getting all the help he needs.

Yesterday, Biden made an announcement that his administration will have conserved 30 per cent "of all lands and waters under US jurisdiction by the year 2020".

Another day, another gaffe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRW2x8fpZLs

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742770#Comment_120742770

You are suggesting an enforced retirement age for public representatives regardless of health (again, you can attack the doctors doing the medical if you have a shred of evidence).

What age would you suggest?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743126#Comment_120743126

This is a blatant misrepresentation of what happened.

He didn't "collapse" on stage. You used that word. It is your invention. He tripped over something which is not visible in the clip you showed.

Already you are changing your tune. Was it a collapse or a trip?

You can't keep your story straight.

An utterly bad faith and disingenuous description.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743149#Comment_120743149

You would be a bad child? Will you read that back to yourself.

You're gone on now to personal attacks when your armchair medical diagnosis are rebutted.

I see nothing in what has been presented here to show concern over and above what is normal for an 80 year old who it still working.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743214#Comment_120743214

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743222#Comment_120743222

Ironic.

I think we have both made our points.

_Kaiser_

I genuinely can't understand why certain posters are taking this so PERSONALLY and lashing out as a result.

• This thread is about Biden, not Trump. As I said the first time that deflection tactic was brought up on P1, there's a whole thread for discussing the latter's many failings.
• There are LOTS of videos of Biden's confused behaviour, disjointed rambling and "gaffes" on YouTube and elsewhere. You don't have to agree with whatever editorial slant comes with the videos to be able to see the concerns for yourself.
• Constant deflecting, whataboutery, and attacking semantics is not a counter-argument. It only defeats whatever point you are trying to make.

Honestly, you'd think some posters were defending their grandfather the way some of the posts read!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743222#Comment_120743222

This recent deflection to "medical diagnoses" is unwarranted.

What many people are saying is that Biden is past his prime -- and that these gaffes, verbal and physical issues are an understandable consequence of his age.

Not a medical diagnosis of dementia that has to be proven from medical records, but the natural consequence of age.

So you and others can keep reeling out the red herring of proving a medical diagnosis, when that's not what the vast majority of people are saying re: Biden, which instead focusses on the obvious reality of what we continue to see and hear; namely, that he's well past his prime.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743222#Comment_120743222

"If he very concerned and at least have him checked out"...poster must have dementia

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743259#Comment_120743259

I shared a link to the NHS with the symptoms of Dementia - this was me diagnosing him / just for context!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743274#Comment_120743274

Well that's really poor form then, because nobody -- except Biden's own team -- can justify medical diagnoses like that.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743278#Comment_120743278

Just to clarify - I’m not saying I diagnosed him - like you say only his doctor and medical team can. I just was saying how some of his actions of late would match with some of the signs/symptoms of dementia using that link as a source.

No bad form intended on my part.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743259#Comment_120743259

Strange reply. I am not the one who made the claim about dementia. Or 'losing his marbles'. Why don't you reply to the posters who did? We are not "reeling out a red herring", we are rebutting specific false claims. Take it up with them.

And if you are concerned about candidates past their prime, where is your post on the Trump thread remarking on his gaffes as an understandable consequence of age that rule him out of office?

There is an obvious partisan agenda at play here.

It has been pointed out multiple times he has a stammer. He has been making verbal gaffes for long time. It is not evidence of anything new.

He has the physical issues of an 80 year old. There's no evidence presented here Biden is incapable of being President. Because that's the bar. So what we have here is a nothing burger.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743290#Comment_120743290

Trump Trump Trump!

You wouldn’t be suggesting there is a conspiracy afoot?

You’re a gas man I’ll give you that.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743267#Comment_120743267

I could have! Hopefully my family would help me if I was confused, disorientated and falling over after being confused and disorientated - especially if it was a regular occurance.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743202#Comment_120743202

Not just one worldwide gaff a day by Biden, but more. Just to ease US-China relations like, " US President Joe Biden has called Chinese President Xi Jinping a dictator at a fundraising event in California."

His remarks came a day after the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken went to China and met Mr Xi for talks... these same talks were aimed at easing tensions between the two superpowers.

Mr Biden also said Mr Xi was embarrassed after an alleged Chinese spy balloon was shot down by the US.

China has said it "firmly opposes" Mr Biden's comments.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65969802

China has called Biden's comments absurd.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743307#Comment_120743307

It's not conspiracy to suggest that some of the attacks on Biden are motivated by a pro-Trump or pro-Republican agenda. It is obvious politics. It would be politically naive to think otherwise.

And the pure partisanship of those attacks is proven by the way the same sources do not raise any concerns about 77 year old Trump's falls or gaffes. So it is entirely valid to mention Trump in that context as it shows up the partisan motivation.

Biden mixed up God Save the Queen and God Save Us All; the Black and Tans and All Blacks; he mis-spoke the year between 2020 and 2023. In otherwise coherent speeches advocating his current policies. His gaffes are of no consequence.

Trump is legally incriminating himself daily, and embarrassing himself politically. Oh and he falls on slopes and podiums too.

I know which one I would be telling to shut up and lay low if I cared about them!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743349#Comment_120743349

No, it's not some pro-Trump conspiracy.

A very large swathe of Democrats (40%) hold the same view about Biden's mental fitness, as well as 70% of independents.

Almost 4 in 10 Democrats said his mental fitness was a real concern as did 7 in 10 independents and, as expected, more than 8 in 10 Republicans.

Several key Democratic and swing groups saw Biden's mental fitness as a real concern, including those 45 or younger (69%), GenZ/Millennials (67%), men (66%), those without college degrees (66%), non-whites (64%) and those who live in the suburbs (63%), for example.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743349#Comment_120743349

He’s not the current president though? Who cares expect those using it as some gotcha argument? Why do you care what trump is at even? It’s not like if Biden died today Trump would he back in the White House! Don’t worry. The orange man can’t hurt you anymore.

All of that doesn’t change the fact that the subject of this thread is likely mentally incapacitated to some degree.

Francis McM

Following Biden's latest gaffe about calling Xi a "dictator" etc etc, China says US-China relations "are at their lowest point since formal ties were established."

It - and the invasion of Ukraine - happened on Biden's watch. He has a lot to answer for. It would be a lot better for the world if he could be put in a nursing home with dignity. Or maybe some sort of accommodation out of harms way someplace.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743371#Comment_120743371

It is a gotcha argument to the hypocrisy, double standards and partisanship of some of the obviously pro-Trump attacks on Biden on this thread.

That's not really a fact though is it? You are making medical statements of fact you have no standing to make, with evidence that comes nowhere near to establishing it as a fact.

Nothing presented on the thread reaches the standard of dis-barring Biden from carrying out his duties. If you think an 80 year old isn't able to do the job, that's your opinion, that's fair enough as long as it is consistently applied.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120733338#Comment_120733338

You know, one can do both.

They can be concerned about Bidn's ailing mental capacity AND Trump's made-up lies about the election being stolen and all this baggage.

I hope the two of them **** off tbh.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743378#Comment_120743378

I didn't realize he had invaded Ukraine.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743406#Comment_120743406

You are yet again making stuff up. I’ve literally called myself out 4-5 times saying it’s not a medical diagnosis.

I have never called for him to be disbarred or even not carry on his duties.

You have assigned that as my opinion for some reason, it’s not.

My point is simple - he appears to be unwell. As I have also stated, you, I, the Chinese, the Russians and everyone else won’t be told he is sick or unwell. We will never ever be told he has any illness which could be perceived as a weakness so even if he has dementia or something similar we will never know. All we have to go buy is what we can see with our eyes. If some people wish to wear eagle tinted glasses that’s up to them.