So a small sub goes missing with 5 millionaires/billionairs on it on a Titanic expectation

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120747891#Comment_120747891

Unequivocally

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120747849#Comment_120747849

The largest “ heritage group “ in America are English by a distance, it’s just they arrived in droves so long ago and were the founding fathers, they weren’t counted as immigrant groups and just recorded as “ American “

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748044#Comment_120748044

Horsesht.

In the 1700's there were maybe 5 people in the whole place.

In any case "anglo-american" doesnt make sense by any of the attempts at definition.

Maybe ill make a thread later.

Sorry, off topic. Done. Out.

I really hope it was an implosion at this stage now the deadline has passed. The other way would be unthinkable suffering on a human level.

I don't think anyone would be sacrificing themselves in that situation knowing the resignation that chances of being found are almost minimal.

Lessons to be learned.

Relax brah

OceanGate have yet to make a public statement on this which says alot about them, my thinking would be as follows:

a) their ceo who helps craft statements and is their main voice is in the sub and the next in command doesnt know what to do.

b) they're a startup so they have minimal employees, most of whom are probably on the boat focused on search and rescue

c) their lawyers are probably telling them to stfu until there's more info.

d) they're definitely guilty af so they have to be careful with whatever statements they make. if they admit there is an accident they are partially admitting fault. so they may be waiting until there's a resolution to the situation, if that ever comes.

they should have made a statement at this point, even if its just... we're in constant communication with the families who are in our thoughts, working with the coast guard and thank them for their hard work and assistance, and thank you to all those who are supporting us in this time of need.

The fact that they haven’t makes me suspicious about this incident

joe40

If I had the money I might do the space thing, If I had the fitness and skill I might do the everest thing, but not in a million years would I get into a small metal tube and go 4 km under the sea.

I have massive sympathy on a human level for the victims here but it was a folly of an expedition. Massive difference between bravery and a gung ho attitude to safety.

walshb

Utterly terrifying for those poor people.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748171#Comment_120748171

Is the Lad doing all the pressers not from OceanGate?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748181#Comment_120748181

It's difficult to remain sympathetic, not because of the social status of the people in the sub, but the asbolute arrogance of the company. Someone with an MBA and an undergraduate degree is unqualified to make judgements about deep ocean safety; some of the stories leaking out about how they didn't want ex-submariners as pilots and 'mba-speak drivel' about the company, should've been a red flag about this company, but I guess they finessed regulations for profits.

Relax brah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748193#Comment_120748193

I retract what I said.

Turns out the communications director is the CEO’s wife (they made a statement on the 19th.)

Id imagine it’s a difficult time for her. Fingers crossed we get some news shortly 🙏🏼

Relax brah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748196#Comment_120748196

“Difficult to remain sympathetic” is abit harsh. Remember, the people on that sub have children, wife’s/mothers/fathers - family.

The harsh reality is as of lastnight their time was already up.

Night had fallen over that section of the Atlantic. Their best chance for survival is to be bobbing about on the surface somewhere, but in a white submarine that blends in with waves and water, someone would almost literally have to bump into it to see it. If they have any oxygen left (panicked people will use it up a lot faster, and I don’t see how anyone could avoid panicking in that scenario), it’s nearly gone. 

At this point, pretty much the only chance would be if they were lodged against Titanic’s hull and somehow, someone was able to get a tow rope on them and pull them out - the logistics of which would be incredibly daunting. 

I sincerely hope to hear of a miracle today. Again, don’t place a value on someone’s life because their CEO is billionaire using an Xbox controller. These people have families.

McGrath5

What a dreadful way to end up, paying $250k to some tech bro that clearly took short cuts on the submarine's safety.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748196#Comment_120748196

Wasn't the Pilot a French ex Submarine commander , 22 years experience, over 35 submersible dives, most of which was to the Titanic.

He basically was the only expert in the world at sub diving to the Titanic and he had decades of experience at it, including bringing up a 20 tonne section.

Lot of the woke and MBA speak from the CEO and lead investor would certainly be concerning, did it belie an arrogance over planning but he is a billionaire, by definition he is going to sound woke and corporate.

walshb

Some the comments here are obscenely harsh. There are people dying as we speak in awful circumstances.

Can we not separate the humans here from the situation and how it came about?

There are people almost happy that this has happened because it happened to wealthy people. Weird.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120747390#Comment_120747390

I refuse to believe there's actually anybody who would tell the family of any of the victims that they deserved it. I say victims because at this stage the company responsible is looking really negligent.

I'm not sure it's fair to blame the passengers for signing that waiver. There are waivers like that for lots of adventure holidays and the likes. The difference is the others are usually still covered by safety regs as they're within a country's borders.

If the passengers had been involved in the design of the sub I'd say they were going into this with full knowledge of the dangers, but you just know if there was any hesitancy when signing the waiver the safety would have been talked up and reasonable precautions called a waste. The element of danger is also half the fun though, so maybe they jumped in without a second thought. Poor fuckers.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748290#Comment_120748290

I see similar comments whenever someone dies trying to get an instagram photo or ticktok reel on the outside of a skyscraper or whatever which seems a good comparison.

Honestly the billionaire thing seems to have just led to more people defending them than I would expect. I won't make jokes but thousands of people die daily so I won't feel extra sorry for those who did it through their own idiocy though obviously I would prefer if none of the deaths, in or out of the submarine happened.

Special mention should be for the 19 year old who would have had less of a say in this and the families who have been harmed by their loved ones actions.

HalloweenJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748275#Comment_120748275

What 'woke speak' from the CEO was concerning? And what would that have to do with someone's ability to manage a company and organise the dive?

What a bizarre thing to focus on in these circumstances.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748275#Comment_120748275

Did you seriously have to invoke that utterly stupid 'woke' word in a thread about a missing sub?

Was really hoping I'd wake up to some good news this morning saying they'd all miraculously been saved, similar to those kids that were stuck in that cave in Thailand that we were all sure were doomed at the time.

Asus X540L

Terrible **** really. I think it might be probable that the sub imploded at around 3k down and as such they got an instant death.

Also, if you read the reviews of the Logitech G F710 there's some very nasty review bombs.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Nano-Receiver-Controller-Vibration/dp/B0041RR0TW?th=1

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120747363#Comment_120747363

Downright stupid thing of the founder of the company to say though.

Surely when doing something this risky you should be taking no chances and that includes eliminating any potential people from your hiring processes.Also the fact that standards appear to be so lax with the design of this vessel suggest the firm didn't take the risk seriously enough.

Just a poor all round look for the company to have it's owner saying they didn't want 50 year old white guys piloting these craft , if a 50 year old white guy is the best possible candidate then surely you should consider them.You don't put anything in front of safety and expertise in this sort of expedition, particularly when you are charging people 250k for the privilege of going in one of your vessels.

newmember2

They had no comms and no tether?? Insanity.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120746138#Comment_120746138

Oh, without a doubt thier lives are more important than the wreck. My exasperation in my post is brought about by this kind of tourist trip even being a thing. It's gone and happened now...but I wish it hadn't been an option.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748456#Comment_120748456

They had comms and that disappeared on Sunday, hence the problem.

Tethering sounds like something that may be over simplistic and may not work in practicality of the large open see with currents etc.

DeanAustin

Jesus, the bias and agendas in this thread are pretty sickening.

"What about the migrants who died in Greece?"

"They're idiots for doing this"

"They're billionaires so who cares"

"They just wanted a nice pic for their social media"

"They should foot the bill for the rescue mission"

"It's a tin can"

"The firm didn't bother adhering to safety standards"

"Why are we so interested, it's an American story"

"What the rescuers should do is xxx"

And so on, and so on. As the Walt Whitman saying goes, "be curious, not judgemental". The whole world doesn't happen from the vantage point you view it from.

It looks grim for them. Hope they're found but looks impossible at this point.

Leg End Reject

Sky News saying oxygen is estimated to run out at 12.08 today.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748456#Comment_120748456

They had data comms using an acoustic modem. Basically a (slow) data connection using microphones and emitters. So they could send and receive short status messages.

Underwater phones also exist - they work on a similar principle. There's a delay of several seconds. Apparently the CEO of OceanGate got rid of the phone because he didn't want people on the surface constantly asking for updates, it "ruined the experience" ...

It seems like they did not have redundant comms. They had a single system and it lost connection frequently on previous descents.

Not having a tether is fairly common for manned submersibles.

Danzy

Fellow on Sky News, good friend of the pilot, said he thinks it imploded, that signal was lost before they would have reached the sea bed.

Hopefully, clean and instant passing on.

Seadin

I think it's not good enough that this sub went missing without any independent backup fail safe systems to operate or at the very least some sort of independent tracking devices X 2 that would locate it in case one failed. At the very least the marine crews could then just concentrate on the area where it is and valuable time wouldnt be wasted in the rescue operation.

Asus X540L

Imagine they actually made it to the top of the ocean but couldn't open the **** sub and get air.

Brief_Lives

Interesting website.

https://oceangate.com/expeditions/titanic-survey-expedition.html

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748490#Comment_120748490

I bet you a tethering device on the sub is what everyone would have wished it had now in the circumstances then be worried it getting caught in the titanic wreckage.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748526#Comment_120748526

Agree, In this day and age it is absolutely pathetic and should have been a huge red flag from the off.

Honestly can't get over how these guys didn't have their lawyers and consultant engineers scrutinize the contracts and procedures/specifications to operate the shuttle as most high net worth individuals would have the means to do.

The poor divils were likely sold a lot of snake oil.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748526#Comment_120748526

A tethered floating tracker would have provided some guidance as to its location. And one or two of them at that, which would detached it a real snagging problem occurred. I’m no engineer but I’m quite sure a suitable set up could be created.

Man Vs ManUre

I feel mostly sorry for the 19 year old boy. He probably just went along with his Dad. It makes me wonder, even tho tkts to go to space via rockets can be millions, would I accept if offered it for free?? Same for submarine. I dunno, I like the simple things in life and can get on without having been to space, the moon, the bottom of the ocean, Mars or the Brazilian rainforest.

Asus X540L

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748537#Comment_120748537

Is there a bathroom on the sub?

There is a small toilet located in Titan’s front dome – it doubles as the best seat in the house. When the toilet is in use, we install a privacy curtain between the dome and the main compartment and turn the music up loud.

We do recommend that you restrict your diet before and during the dive to reduce the likelihood that you will need to use the facilities.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748544#Comment_120748544

That would need to be one hell of a long tether. 4KM down to the Titanic and that's not factoring in extra so you can move around.

Imagine even trying to walk around a wreak on foot with a 4KM string attached to your back, you'd be guaranteed to get it caught on something.

Brief_Lives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748556#Comment_120748556

They have a support boat that tows them to the dive location... what were those boys at?

PopePalpatine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748349#Comment_120748349

I just need some reminiscing about walking uphill and barefoot on a snowy trek to and from school, and I'll get a full house in Boomer Bingo.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748609#Comment_120748609

Funnily enough, I'm also close to winning 'people using stupid Twitter Americanisations that nobody in the real world gives a **** about Bingo' with your use of the word Boomer.

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748577#Comment_120748577

You are correct and the chances of that happening would be high if they were able to make a 4km cable to go down that far to the wreckage. But if I were in that sub right now, I would still rather that attached than nothing in the off chance that people were still alive and the sub itself hadn't imploded. At least it wouldn't take 96hours to act and no time would be wasted in trying to get it back up.

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748585#Comment_120748585

I guess they can do very little right now when they lost contact with the sub.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748506#Comment_120748506

Sky News and Misery. I haven't watched it in over 10 years now but I am sure they are mega excited. Did they do a countdown perhaps?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748555#Comment_120748555

Some of the snake oil merchants were on board themselves. That would engender more trust by others somewhat less “expert”.

Of some interest, a German sea Captain is facing charges in Italy of rescuing abt 1000 migrants on her ship.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120747463#Comment_120747463

I wasn't going to spell out the full detail but the bodies themselves contain potential food. The temperature at those depths would be an issue. In one way it would prevent rotting but also the emergency blankets might not keep one warm enough for the survivor(s) over an extended period.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748654#Comment_120748654

Below cones to mind immediately. These were wealthy, educated & religious people on board, and the survivors fed off the deceased. Some who were dying asked that their remains be utilised in such a way. It is a remarkable story. A main leader in the group went on to become a renowned cardiac surgeon in Uruguay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571

This was all back in the day of inertial navigation.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748636#Comment_120748636

I just read it online.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748585#Comment_120748585

Yes I’m puzzled here too. I know there’s drift, very strong underwater currents etc. complicating things. But I can’t for the life of me understand why it couldn’t be better tracked by a relay system. But I think the clue lies in the operator’s own words that getting out of bed is dangerous.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120747826#Comment_120747826

If they are criminally negligent the waiver isn’t worth the price of a happy meal.

Brief_Lives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748690#Comment_120748690

that and surely the search area can be reduced, knowing the currents and the hydrodynamics involved. Apparently they are searching an area approx 26,000 sq Kms