Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883075#Comment_120883075

The entire dossier is filled with falsehoods, misrepresentations, and outright lies.

Whoever assembled that dossier was effectively organising a hitjob against Farage.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883075#Comment_120883075

She is hardly going to say otherwise and give his lawyers a slam dunk, she still has duties to the business and protection of the share holders.

Though it will probably be a matter for her replacement.

Having the people involved in reviewing his account etc fired may well resolve it though, but that opens them up to claiming wrongful dismissal for following orders from the top.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883085#Comment_120883085

Here the thing though, other than the nonsense from Farage about being singled out, nothing has be shown to be BS.

As people have been saying from day one, this was a cost/benefit exercise by the bank.

They don't actually give a toss about his views (or anyone elses for that matter) as long as they are making money.

I have no doubt that they are keeping track of all their customers activities - That would be basic business logic as part of their risk management efforts.

I also have no doubt that they have customers that are infinitely more distasteful than Nigel Farage, but those customers generate enough revenue to offset those downsides.

Farage ceased to be commercially " worth the hassle" so they cut him loose, it's really that simple.

Whilst his political views and public statements formed part of the decision making equation, the single most important component of it was how much money he was making for the bank.

Once that fell below the "Economic Contribution" threshold that Coutts had defined, that was that.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120882943#Comment_120882943

only an antisemite in the minds of the far right element of britain's media, ultimately no evidence has been put forward to show he actually is one, as obviously he isn't.

there was no hole of hate either, there was a small and disgraceful problem of antisemitism among a small amount of the labour membership and it was dealt with.

the far right element of the media whipped up crap so they could get brexit done, the gullible fell for it all, brexit got done and britain is in a whole.

anyway its irrelevant to farage who is a proven racist, lier and conman.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120882990#Comment_120882990

ah, thanks.

i haven't read all of the thread so only caught that one time.

anyway it's a nonsense claim so it can be dismissed.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120882906#Comment_120882906

It will bankrupt him and he will lose because the rules are clear and he no longer qualified. i would love to see him ruin himself over this.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120880721#Comment_120880721

You have repeatedly raised them. But, even when explicitly invited to discuss them further, you don't appear to have anything you want to say about them. You seem much more concerned with misrepresenting the contents of the Coutts dossier.

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883142#Comment_120883142

That could be the case, but it's hard to know what were the real motivations behind this, unless you were involved directly. Probably the only ones who know for certain are Farage, the CEO of Nat West and whoever was pulling her strings(or maybe nobody was pulling her strings and it was a solo run).

The BBC didn't have the full picture and made some mistakes because of this.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120882943#Comment_120882943

Your circling another planet Lad.

The reason that the anti-semtic charge blew up on Corbyn is primarily because the right wing of his party bogged down the complaints procedure to engineer his downfall. No claims have actually stuck to him and he has widespread support among left leaning Jewish organisations. Your delusional. The Israeli embassy was complcit in this (well documented) because they would not tolerate a none Zionist becoming PM of the UK.

"The Forde Report Lays Bare the Lie at the Heart of the Media’s War on Corbyn"

https://novaramedia.com/2022/07/21/the-forde-report-lays-bare-the-lie-at-the-heart-of-the-medias-war-on-corbyn/

Labours own internal report exonerated him.

If right wing loons want to express support because they imagine Corbyn shares their view then that entirely up to them but has little baring on what Corbyn actually said.

Get a story boy.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883172#Comment_120883172

Exactly..

At best he might have an angle about Libel but given that it was a private document that he himself published, probably not even that.

He's caused a PR storm for them by managing to rile up people that wouldn't even be allowed in the building let alone get to open an account with banks like Coutts and some mid level Director will probably get thrown to the wolves to placate all the angry daily mail readers, but not much else.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120882929#Comment_120882929

Jesus wept, how many fucking times does this have to be said?

Coutts is NOT A NORMAL BANK. It's a very exclusive "wealth management business concern" that operates with its own set of criteria and if you don't meet that criteria they don't do business with you. Farage doesn't meet their criteria any more so they have offered him a NatWest account instead.

It isn't the local AIB we're talking about here.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883093#Comment_120883093

Give me one "falsehood" or "outright lie" if you would?

Because when I read it I saw lots of direct quotes from Farage being used to explain the "Public perception" of him.

Lots of "he is viewed as..." etc. but no declaritive statements.

And . news flash, he is "viewed as" ALL the things they talk about in the document.

Perception is reality as they say.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883195#Comment_120883195

Yeah, all directed by Israel and carried out by Mossad. The crafty and devious hoors.

My point was that even a 5hitstain like Corbyn should not have his politics considered by any service provider.

Maybe it was just the division involved who messed up and went off writing about politics, that's being very generous to the higher management though.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883195#Comment_120883195

Don't waste your time.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883236#Comment_120883236

There is a real piece of Journalism with embassy members coordinating with labour right wingers available on Al-Jazira. Its not debatable that the embassy worked behind the scenes to bring down Corbyn - its on film - go and watch it.

Your personal bile against the man doesn't change the fact that the Labour party deliberately scuttled their own chances of coming to power and used antisemitism as the tool to do it in order to stop Corbyn coming to power.

ancapailldorcha

Nigel Farage is an actual antisemite. It's telling that some people gleefully ignore this so they can detail the thread. It's also gives the lie to their "concerns" about antisemitism.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883063#Comment_120883063

Their "apology" is along the lines of "Sorry that we had downgrade your account and some things were said about you Nige, but please feck off anyway...thanks."

A non-apologetic apology as it were. But Farage still doesn't meet Coutt's criteria for accessing their services. Just like everyone on this thread wouldn't either, because we don't have millions squirrelled away for them to benefit off.

Thing is Coutt's has done nothing wrong here, nor have they done anything illegal either. They have simply operated according to THEIR rules, which they are entitled to do. Because that's the type of operation they are. They are hideously exclusive in their practices and always have been.

Funny though, where were all the heroes of the banking wars when Coutts was operating their exclusivity before, and that includes Nigel Farage. It only becomes important to them when the shit is on their shoe.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883302#Comment_120883302

I've pointed out that I couldn't care less if Farage dropped dead today.

Historically most anti Semitism was on the right, currently it is at home in the left. That may change again.

This story, this problem is much bigger than Farage, forget Farage.

Political views should not be a consideration for banks, should never be noted or discussed.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883302#Comment_120883302

The "concerns" about antisemitism from a particular poster on here only extends to how much they can use the slur to further their own vain attempts at some childish political point scoring.

It's downright laughable at times.

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883343#Comment_120883343

Yes, if the thread was called "Nigel Farage Anti-Semite? Discuss", that would be relevant. And yes he has dubious views on a lot of people living in the UK or arriving in the UK.

But this thread is not about that.

It's about the behaviour of a particular bank, banks in general and what considerations they use to close accounts, which is raises human rights and freedom of expression questions which are bigger and more important than Farage.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120882974#Comment_120882974

So business should not be able to choose who they do custom with?

Do you think there should be legislation to that effect as well?

(I honestly think you're taken aback that a sh!t like farage might not be pleasant to do business with as he reflects your mindset, but what you really want is special privileges for those with farages viewpoint which isn't happening)

If a bank didn't want to provide mortgage services to corbyn, starmer, anyone on the left, centre or right, that is the banks prerogative.

There are parallels with the gay cake case that has already set a precedent for farage here.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883343#Comment_120883343

Good that it wasn't political views in this case, but I've no doubt that they do factor in to who people do business with as businesses don't want to be associated with extreme political viewpoints.

Should businesses be forced to do business with someone who has an extreme view?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883399#Comment_120883399

Banking services with Coutt's is not a human right.

There is no human right aspect.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883399#Comment_120883399

Irrespective of Danzy's usual, loathsome, attempts to use crocodile tears about "antisemitism" to derail a thread, the thread itself isn't actually about "banks in general", nor is it about "human rights". It's about a particular bank which has their own set of critera that one must meet to do business with them and a particular individual that no longer meets that criteria.

Human rights don't come into it and Coutts aren't concerned with rights either way. They are concerned about their own particular business practices and the rules that they employ for accessing their exclusive services.

Again...this isn't the local AIB we're talking about here. It is a very specific type of institution that has its own rules. Rules which, by the way, would eliminate everybody posting on this thread from accessing their services. Farage has merely been downgraded to a normal NatWest bank account because he's no longer a financially viable customer that Coutts feels is worth bothering with.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883302#Comment_120883302

This is a new one for me. Can you show me some examples?

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883431#Comment_120883431

Yes it does have human rights aspects.

If you qualified and then were disqualified for political or other questionable reasons.

We seem to be going around in circles here. Ill be back in a few days.😀

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883302#Comment_120883302

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Ditto with the assertions made in the dossier.

Reference was made to George Soros' organisation in the document. Criticising his organisation's goals is not anti-Semitic. His religion has nothing to do with the political goals his organisation is set up to achieve.

Put another way, if Soros were a Christian or a Hindu, the criticisms of his organisation would remain exactly the same.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883468#Comment_120883468

There are no examples.

That's why it's merely asserted.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883314#Comment_120883314

To me them making that apology has blunder written all over it. Just making things worse for themselves.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883471#Comment_120883471

It's about his lack of wealth, is that to hard to understand. Politics is the reason they used their rules about wealth to chuck him out. He to much of a **** pleb to use Coutts.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883474#Comment_120883474

You lost me there ...