Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928601#Comment_120928601

Security of the country.ffs.

You weren't too concerned when bankers playing lose with the rules broke the country 15 years ago.

You had their back then as well I'd say

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928670#Comment_120928670

A small point of data in the overall dossier. By itself it seems a tad ridiculous, but it looks like part of the process for Coutts is reviewing their clients socials and noting anything they deem of note(pure speculation on my part here but it really seems like temp/intern work).

But these are his public social media pages, anything he does there he knows well that he’s happy to share that with the world.

People generally get criticised for old tweets or Facebook posts, why is Farage exempt from this?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928760#Comment_120928760

Apparently we're being led to believe that liking a Ricky Gervais tweet on a trans joke constitutes a risk to a bank.

The alternative, much more likely position, is that Nigel Farage was being assessed on his political beliefs.

It would also explain why all the political beliefs criticised were beliefs typically held by the right and not the left.

There was no objective risk assessment based on his views. It's a myth promulgated on this thread, tirelessly and uncritically repeated.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928848#Comment_120928848

Again, this is all client details, but knowing the client liked a joke would mean certain investments wouldn't be possible and others would.

People have been caught out many times by making and liking tweets that arose in the future, Coutts job is to ensure their clients don't get caught up in that.

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928848#Comment_120928848

Liking a Ricky Gervais joke means nothing in isolation, but taken together with various other political statements made through various media, backs up their conclusion that he has a public reputation as a grifter, a xenophobe, a racist.

And if the bank conclude that one of their customers is perceived as such, and that the relationship with him has been published, it’s not completely crazy to assume it may have an impact landing future clients.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928868#Comment_120928868

You want us to believe that an investment or business relationship at that high level of wealth -- perhaps tens of millions -- would not go ahead because at some time in the past, Nigel Farage liked a tweet on a Ricky Gervais trans joke?

Do you really believe that? Does anyone believe that?

It's astonishing what some people will want to believe off the back of their undying hatred of Farage.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928885#Comment_120928885

Clearly that's not true because they restored his accounts.

They would not have done so in the current climate if Farage posed the level of "investment risk" that gets bandied around this thread.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928868#Comment_120928868

It's also their job to know as much as possible about the Customer so they can best serve them.

Knowing details like who they follow/like on Social Media gives them insights into the kind of investments that they are likely to respond positively to.

Someone following liking Anti-Trans posts is unlikely to be interested in an investment opportunity in a company offering Gender re-assignment surgery etc.

For what seems like the thousandth time - They are a Boutique Investment bank offing all kinds of concierge services , it's their job to know as much about their clients as possible to allow them to tailor the offers and services they make available.

All that research will eventually be leveraged by the risk assessment team and they will produce a report , which is what Farage got a copy of and published.

Whilst Coutts are ultimately owned by NatWest they are about as different as an orange and a house-brick in terms of what they do , what they offer and how they go about doing it.

I'm pretty confident in saying that they are not remotely like ANY Bank that any of us here have ever had dealings with.

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928893#Comment_120928893

They restored his accounts because the previous management handled the situation terribly and the new guy in change wants the story to go away.

Farages assertion that this is a political hit job because the woke globalist banks don’t like him because of Brexit is, and always has been, completely false.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928893#Comment_120928893

That is literally their job to know that, big deals and investments have been cancelled over much less.

What do you think a boutique bank actually does rapidash? Why do you think Mr. Paypal wants their services so badly?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928893#Comment_120928893

Your almost willful inability to understand the concepts of words like "AND" or "ALSO" or indeed the cumulative implications of actions showing a pattern of behaviour is truly staggering.

Of course a single comment/like of a tweet wasn't the sole single reason a decision was made , and you know this.

However, that comment/like forms part of a wider pattern of behaviour indicating a particular viewpoint and political orientation.

It's part of a much larger analysis and again you know this , but you continue to grasp single items from huge swathes of information to feed your righteous indignation over the treatment of your avatar.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120928990#Comment_120928990

Of course a single comment/like of a tweet wasn't the sole single reason a decision was made , and you know this.

I would ask the same question for every other political belief in the dossier.

I don't believe multimillion pound investment transactions will factor in what Nigel Farage says or has tweeted in the past.

They care about profits, not the political beliefs of other customers at the bank.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929024#Comment_120929024

A lot of customers care a great deal where their bank invests it's money, it forms the whole basis on which they choose their bank. Public perception that they are fostering customer from a racists may very well pursuade a considerable number of people to look elsewhere for services. Ethical investing is a huge financial sector now.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929024#Comment_120929024

They care about profits, not the political beliefs of other customers at the bank.

Wow.. We might finally be getting somewhere..

You are correct - All any of them care about is profits , including the Bank itself.

NONE of them give a damn about your politics unless it might hurt their profits.

When you are a professional loud-mouth that only talks about Politics , your "politics" have the potential to upset people.

Those people might be other customers of the Bank or they might be "Customers of Customers of the Bank" .

If the behaviours of the aforementioned professional loudmouth are a risk to the amount of money either of those groups might seek to spend then that becomes to a risk to the profits of the bank and its customers.

Which might lead the bank to decide that the declining and (comparatively) paltry amount of revenue they generate from the Professional loudmouth is no longer worth the effort.

Are you perhaps finally beginning to understand the reality that Nigel Farage wasn't targeted because people disagreed with his Politics but that they felt his public behaviours in how he expressed those politics were a risk to their profits??

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929075#Comment_120929075

That's all well and good, but there was no evidence of that in the dossier.

In fact, if that were occurring, the dossier would have spent quite a lot of time giving examples of loss of investments, customers etc. But they didn't.

That means there was no risk to begin with, or the risk is suddenly invented or exaggerated.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929095#Comment_120929095

So close.....

But the willful ignorance returns.

Why would an assessment of Nigel Farage contain the details of a risk assessment of other customers?

Do you really think that an assessment of Customer A is going to say "Customer B doesn't like him and will refuse to do business with us if we continue to do business with Customer A" ???

Seriously?

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929095#Comment_120929095

Would it?

It’s not a criminal investigation, the SAR isn’t a document to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that Farage has lost x amount of investments. It’s a document to say how much risk is this person as a client. And a lot of that will be based on the banks risk appetite and the opinions of the bank’s management.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929148#Comment_120929148

I expect the dossier to refer to loss of investments / customers, attributable to the views held by Nigel Farage.

Not mention specific names, but to at least make reference to the phenomena.

But there wasn't a single syllable of evidence this was the case. We therefore have no reason to assume it's true.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929168#Comment_120929168

This line of questioning is how people excuse their support for people that are widely accepted as horrible human beings.

"You haven't shown me every single minute detail in explicit detail showing absolutely unequivocal proof that every single thing that has ever been said about this person is an incontrovertible fact so I'm going to continue to refuse to believe anything you say and support my guy!"

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929196#Comment_120929196

It's a risk analysis, fact no loss has happened to date does not mean it could not happen in the future, they relate to potentiality. Also specific names would be a privacy violation of existing customers.

Also the fact remains, Nigel Garage is a reputational risk for anyone. Eg if Farage was starting a business and seeking investors. Do you think investors wouldn't consider reputational risk of associating with him? This is what prestige groups do.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929196#Comment_120929196

What you expect matters why ?

Rawr

All this talk of risk also leaves out one human factor. Farage is an insufferable bell-end.

Could Coutts, a boutique investment bank who offer personal financial "butlers" to their clients, have just gotten sick of him and wanted rid? That they've been sick of him for years. Sick of having to go to his house, sick having to expend time/money running PEP checks as required of them, sick of pushing his stocks around for relativly little return.

Then suddenly, like in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, one person rushes into the office with a shining Golden Ticket."The bell-end's mortgage is up! AND, he can't maintain enough savings" Jubliation! "Celebration" by Kool & the Gang plays in the background while hi-5s and embraces are shared. They can finally be rid of him and focus on the far wealther bell-ends who offer better returns for their efforts.

Beyond all of it, I fully believe that many who deal with Farage on the regular get sick of him. Coutts I suspect is amoung them.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929316#Comment_120929316

I don't see it. They'll have known what a toxic, racist manchild he is from their dealings with him and from his behaviour over the past few decades. As the dossier shows, said behaviour was a risk to their reputation and he was on course to fail to meet the eligibility criteria of the bank. This is a bank at the end of the day so all that matters is the bottom line. Farage wasn't generating any revenue for them so it made sense to ditch him.

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929206#Comment_120929206

Completely.

These people generally view the world as left and right, and anyone on the other sides opinion can be immediately dismissed because that person is obviously biased.

Farage propagates this view. He complained that Coutts lawyers were remainers and therefore any decision by them against him couldn’t be trusted, and he regularly complains that remainers are holding Britain back even though that term has long lost all meaning.

Weve had people cheer on this thread because Farage annoys the woke left, nothing more. And I recall a certain poster dismiss someone’s analysis entirely because they ran a left wing podcast while in the same sentence pointing to Andrew Neil as the voice of reason without a hint of irony.

For me, it’s not a left or right thing. It’s easy to be sceptical of Farage because he has a verifiable history of lying for his own gain, and for baseless racist or xenophobic comments.

This situation is exactly the same. Hes claimed political persecution without a shred of evidence, and has profited directly through the fallout through additional media appearances which he uses to propagate the same nonsense. A clear and complete grifter.

growleaves

You're in the realm of fantasy now boys.

How do you know what Farage is like to deal with personally. How many times have you met him?

Seeing a person on the TV in the context of clickbait media gibberish doesn't mean you know them.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929412#Comment_120929412

I'm judging him by his actions, his tantrum and his history of racism against Slavs, Romanians, Jews and BAME people.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929412#Comment_120929412

Ah, so we're at the "he's probably really nice in real life" stage now? He's just "playing the part" of an unpleasant racist grifter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929412#Comment_120929412

All claims are invented.

• Links to Russian money
• Links to "dirty money"
• Allegations of fraud
• Initial claim that Farage was not de-banked for his political views
• When the dossier then appears, the claim changes to, "...but his politics were always going to be considered"
• Accusations of anti-Semitism
• Allegations of reputational damage, when the dossier shows no evidence of that
• Allegations of racism, when no concrete example of racial hatred can be produced
• The claim Farage's account would never be restored because of reputational damage to Coutts, and then his accounts are restored
• Allegations that staff at Coutts could not work with Farage personally, with no evidence of this claim in the dossier
• Goalposts then shift to, "but they had no choice but to restore his account to shut him up"
• Farage immediately launches a lawsuit against Coutts, where he isn't shutting up

Every single claim has been shown to be either false or invented.

All because of an irrational hatred of Farage that wants him punished no matter what.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929478#Comment_120929478

Utterly delusional...

Like I said...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929206#Comment_120929206

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929407#Comment_120929407

How many posters on this thread could be nice to a famous conservative in person without sulking and pulling faces or making some grand statement of rebuke before storming off? Few I'd imagine.

The problem with people here throwing around words like "unpleasant" is that they don't realise how their own behaviour looks to other people - because their internal monologue is telling them that throwing out insults and getting aggressive with a bad person proves that they're righteous. So that the worse they behave the more vindicated they feel.

Stating that a bank official you don't know has grown tired of personally dealing with a famous politician you don't know just shows your politics junkie media-addiction has gotten out of hand.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929599#Comment_120929599

Whilst everything I have ever seen and read about Farage suggests that he is a painful twat that I would have no time for in person , the Coutts document does repeatedly mention that there were no issues with any of his interactions with their staff and that everything was polite and business like.

It would seem that both Farage and the Coutts staff were perfectly capable of acting like professionals and adults when they were dealing with each other , regardless of what personal feelings they may or may not have had.