COYGIG - Women’s Football World Cup 23 **Mod Warning in Post #58**

JupiterKid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121003518#Comment_121003518

Woohoo!! 😁💪💪🇪🇸🇪🇸🏆🏆⚽️⚽️

Now, where’s my trophy to rub with glee? 😁😁😉

sligeach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121003643#Comment_121003643

No it's not saying "all women's sports is worthless". I think you're putting words in people's mouths. The initial commenter didn’t say that and I definitely didn’t say that. I watch women's sports like tennis, even though the men are discriminated against. I watched the Athletics World Championships last night and watch the women's events the same as the men's. Heartbreaking for Hassan to fall so close to the finishing line. And the last event of the night was the mixed relay, a new novel idea.

It's not misogynistic to say the standard of women's football is far below that of men? Is it elitist of me to say I wouldn't watch League One men's football? No offence, but those teams would beat the women's national teams.

What I take issue with is the call for parity, when the commercial and the public interest isn't there, not even close when compared to the men's game. I have posted about how the TV figures are far lower, and the ticket prices are way, WAY cheaper for the women's world cup. But you won't hear the media point this out or that many weren't sold out. New Zealand gave away 10's of thousands of tickets. I might post a link to a comment showing the vast difference in prices later if I can find it.

It's like the men have something, therefore women are automatically entitled to the same pay and coverage, irrespective of facts. If there was a men's tiddly winks world cup on TV, women would demand the same. And it's always looking for a mirror and coattailing on men's popular sports. Soccer, rugby, GAA, etc. It's never for something like netball or Olympic handball as examples.

And a lot of this is woke nonsense, pushed by media and those who stand to make money from it. I said it before, it's no coincidence that Sky are the sponsors of the women's Irish team. Why not sponsor the men's Irish team? They don't have a sponsor. Or look at Man United, they didn’t have a women's football team until 2018. It's another string to their bow that they'll try to make more money from. That’s what's the concern behind many of the pushers, money.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121004546#Comment_121004546

But it's pointless to compare the standard of women's football to men's. Many international men's sides of the 1940s and 1950s would probably lose to Shamrock Rovers today over 90 minutes, as the fitness levels of the latter would be miles ahead.

One thing that has been picked up on is that women's football is more likely to attract a family audience. Even now, in the era of Sky Sports and social media, the audience for live Premiership football is still men in their 20s, 30s and 40s. Women and children are a much smaller minority at every game. Something else that has been noted in the last few weeks in the Australian media is that those who attend women's football matches are unlikely to also attend men's matches - there may be an element of tapping into an entirely new audience rather than competing for an existing one.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

... and therin lies the problem.

It was a pretty good game of football by all accounts, but everyone's talking about Brits this, woke that and the whole thing's **** political.

Yeah, it;s a different game - women don't have the power men do, so they play with more precision and tactics to compensate for this. Quick, shorter passes and link-up play rather than hoof it into the box and how the big no. 9 gets their head onto it without elbowing everyone else too obviously.

It's like... did yiz actually WATCH the game? Or just the BBC pre and post game so you could have a moan?

cj maxx

Im kinda relieved England got beat . We’d still be hearing about it in 60 years time 😷

sligeach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121004602#Comment_121004602

I was going to post this link about ticket prices in my comment from earlier.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120880842#Comment_120880842

The women's world cup followed a very different pricing structure and it aimed largely at families because it had to. It also helps with the optics, instead of having half empty stadiums. Despite this, not all matches were sold out.

If it followed the pricing model of the men's WC it would have been a total failure. The men's game doesn’t need to compromise on price, it could have sold out many times over.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005034#Comment_121005034

To an extent you are referencing two completely different aspects of parity/equal pay.

You talk about ticket prices/broadcast revenue etc at the World Cup, and this is part of a general debate of whether FIFA should give equal prizemoney. You are correct obviously that FIFA shouldn't do this as the revenue this comp brings in is just a fraction of the Men's event.

However, the other debate about parity is at national level. Players get paid a stipend by their association for international appearances/training sessions etc. It's not a fortune by any means (the pride of playing for your country thing). Indeed for EPL male footballers it's a token/trivial sum compared to their club wages. However for most associations the amount they pay to international women players is still less than the men. Some associations (most notably USMNT and USWNT) have moved to make it the same amount.

This strikes me as a fairly reasonable thing to do. There may be elements of subsidy, as clearly the men's national team will usually be bringing in more money, but it wouldn't cost a huge amount. Also reasonable imo that everything else (food, transport, hotels, facilities, medical care) should eventually be the same for all international teams.

Like I don't think any of that is controversial. No-one (with a brain) is suggesting that the best female players should be paid 8-figure salaries at club level.

sekond

I'm not sure what to do with myself this week.🤣 There's no morning football, no highlights to watch most evenings, and the 11yo isn't setting her alarm for increasingly early times to make sure she catches the matches.

At least her own league starts soon, so that'll keep her occupied. And I think we may have to choose a local-ish LOI women's team to go to watch before the next out of the WNT...

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005412#Comment_121005412

No footballer ever should be paid 8 figure salaries be it Men or Women. That is just stupid and wrong giving someone an 8 figure salary for running around a pitch and kicking a ball.

The most any of them should get should be £200,000 in a year and even that is too much.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121014896#Comment_121014896

Why? And why that figure?

Elite sports people deserve a big slice of the cake. I don't begrudge them a big salary.

You have a backward attitude imo.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121014921#Comment_121014921

Exactly this.

Salaries are ridiculous but the players are the stars and the reason people watch it, I would much rather see these players, largely from working class backgrounds earning well, then the owners who generally couldn’t care less about the sport.

FrancieBrady

Katie's goal nominated for Goal Of The Tournament.

https://twitter.com/FIFAWWC/status/1693994160007807051

cnocbui

I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to soccer, but having looked at the clips my vote would go to Linda Caicedo's goal, though really Sam Kerr's, Esme Brugt's and Mina Tanaka's were all up there.

Cluedo Monopoly

I miss the WC too. Some very exciting games. I think Kerr's goal was the best considering the context etc.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121015746#Comment_121015746

Kerr's for me too.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121016101#Comment_121016101

Yes, especially given it was a WC semi final and against a strong side too.

AMKC

I voted for Linda Caicedos one myself. It was between her and the Argintinia Sophie one.

I think some of them in this were not that impressive at all.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121004635#Comment_121004635

I don't think you have ever watched a mens game if you really think any of that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121018961#Comment_121018961

Here's a though: instead of making a post about the person you reply to, how about you actually make a post about the comment?

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121019793#Comment_121019793

Fair enough., how is this for you then

Yeah, it;s a different game - women don't have the power men do, so they play with more precision and tactics to compensate for this. Quick, shorter passes and link-up play rather than hoof it into the box and how the big no. 9 gets their head onto it without elbowing everyone else too obviously.

Women do not play with more precision or tactics to compensate for their lack of power. There is no more "finesse" in the womens game over mens, the mens game uses more precision, power, tactics, you name it over the womens game. It is a faster paced game over all, so they don't just "hoof" it and elbow everyone out of the way, thats a fairly reductionist way of looking at it.

And before you ignore the above and try say I am against womens football or something, I throughly enjoyed the Womens World Cup, great games and skill on show. It is just different, in every way, to the mens game.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121021878#Comment_121021878

There ya go. See how easy thst is?

Now, for the record I've watched a lot of football. Mens and wonens. I have a job thst entails watching Hertha, Union Berlin and Turbine Potsdam (although not the last one now rhat theyve been relehated).

And I never said 'finnese' that was you. I said quicker - not speed in terms of the players, but the movement of the ball. They pass more and dribble less.

The final was much less cagey than any men's game I've seen recently. This is a common feature of women's football - they don't mess around at the back, they go forward quicker. There's no 'tiki-taka'. That's not saying its better or worse, that's saying it's more interesting. Especially if you're neutral.

And I openly said if was a different game - that was the whole point of my post....?

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121021952#Comment_121021952

What is quicker? The ball or the players, I don't understand what you are saying.

You watching 3 teams is all well and good, but that is hardly a barometer for your point. Watch Barcelona, Man City, Inter Milan etc, you will see the difference.

Not sure what "cagey" also has to do with the difference between mens and womens game, the mens final last year was a classic, and it was back and forth so much, they pile forward at a much faster pace (with more accuracy as well) than the women do. The mention of tiki-taka pretty much disproves your point as well when it relates to the movement of the ball, which is fast and accurate passing.

I properly enjoyed the WWC, it was brilliant. However, the mens game is generally just faster paced overall.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121022297#Comment_121022297

I have watched the orher teams, not just from venue - but it was the comment about not watching football more.

Beyond that I'm not sure what your problem here is? You say you watched a,lot of the tournament, so presumably you got something from it, why attack me for saying I enjoyed the final?

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121022427#Comment_121022427

I am not "attacking" you for enjoying the final. I was clear I was referring to your statement of "women don't have the power men do, so they play with more precision and tactics to compensate for this. Quick, shorter passes and link-up play rather than hoof it into the box and how the big no. 9 gets their head onto it without elbowing everyone else too obviously."

Again, I also enjoyed it, but saying that women use more precision and tactics to compensate is a stretch.

Strazdas

Huge escalation in the Spanish 'kiss' scandal. The entire women's squad are now saying they will refuse to play any more matches unless Rubiales is sacked as President.

Fair play to them I say. The way that creep has doubled down on his actions in the last few days and refused to acknowledge he did wrong and caused considerable offence to the team and many others is very unseemly.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121027818#Comment_121027818

Yes kissgate rumbles on he should have got a slap

Spanish player Jenni Hermoso has said "in no moment" did she consent to a kiss from Luis Rubiales - as Spain's World Cup-winning women's football team announced they will not play any further matches for their country until the "federation leadership is removed".

A total of 56 players, including all of the 23-strong World Cup-winning squad, signed a joint statement after the president of Spain's football federation refused to resign following his controversial kiss at the final.

The Spanish government has started legal action to suspend Mr Rubiales from his post

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121027863#Comment_121027863

Not only is he not showing any humility, he's effectively saying "What's the big deal? Get over yourselves". No wonder the women's squad and many others are hopping mad at this point.

DEFTLEFTHAND

We wouldn't really because deep down nobody gives a hoot.

It wouldn't resonate like how1966 did with the English people.

Re the Spanish scandal -- Football Administrators are a different level of egotistical.

tesla_newbie

Regrettable to see the wonderful Spanish victory overshadowed by this nothing burger, he kissed her on the cheek ( not lips ) and did the same to other players, Mediterranean folks are very in to physical embrace, the kind of career outrage merchant’s getting busy with this have little if any interest in sport

everything must be politicised all of the time

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121028854#Comment_121028854

Funny looking kiss on the cheek.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029180#Comment_121029180

Missed that clip , the parade I saw he kissed several players on the cheek

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029213#Comment_121029213

His abuse of power is a big factor in this. He is the President of the Spanish FA, whilst she is a mere squad member.

As others have said, if he's like this with all the TV cameras rolling, what on earth is he like in private.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029222#Comment_121029222

Only saw that kiss now , sky news showed a clip earlier today and didn’t show this

it’s still unfortunate that ideologues are stealing the focus from a great achievement and attempting to shoehorn in the “ me too “ movement in yet another way

the Spanish women’s team are unlikely to be fans of victim mentality ideology

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029233#Comment_121029233

As soon as I saw the clip (on Monday morning I think) I thought to myself that was a sackable offence. It was bordering on sexual assault, especially when Hermoso said she didn't want to be kissed by him and didn't enjoy it one bit.

He might have gotten out of this if had issued a strong apology and admitted he had made a huge error of judgement.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121027863#Comment_121027863

It's a great pity ms Hermoso didn't go to the Police and make an official complaint of assault.

Sudden Valley

I see in another pr own goal the Spanish fa is threatening to sue Hermoso for lying. A bear hug is fine a kiss totally over the line. Middle of the road Spanish society is against Fubiales but he is totally deluded in his feminist conspiracy theory.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029348#Comment_121029348

Though I notice that quite a few people in Spain are saying that even Fubiales bear hugs of the other Spanish female players were inappropriate, given that he is an older man and they are younger women. It's not as if he is a close personal friend of theirs or a family member....a lot of the women probably barely even know the guy.

BorneTobyWilde

If you look at video of this kiss, she 100% goes in for the kiss first. Role the tape,

it's a nothing incident, a joyous moment where everyone was highly emotional, it should be seen as this, not a groping, sexual assault incident caught on tape.

He of course should have apologized, and played the woke game, and moved on, not doubled down to say what he really feels, in this world now no one can say what they really feel, or they'll be cancelled .

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029376#Comment_121029376

What a weird take. Not everything is related to woke. He should have apologised and resigned. Even in his statement Rubilales claimed he asked to kiss her and then he initiated the kiss. The majority of Spanish society seems to be against his action as not being spanish( to kiss on lips) yet you have to try to bring culture war nonsense into it.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029398#Comment_121029398

She definitely leans in for the kiss first, although the hands on the back of her head could be forcing the lean

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029634#Comment_121029634

Even Rubiales said he initiated and all his various BS excuses that have all been denied by the player. And he is desperate to come up with any reason for why he did what he did. Fifa and the players are looking for his head now so he is a dead man walking. To be honest of all the coverage I have seen, you seem to be the only one under the delusion that she leaned into the kiss. He grabbed the back of her head, and guided her into the kiss this can be seen more clearly in videos than gifs.

nachouser

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/26/fifa-suspends-luis-rubiales-from-all-football-related-activity-over-hermoso-kiss

Suspended by Fifa, shame they had to step in ahead of Spain's own FA.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029740#Comment_121029740

Spains own FA instead were going after the player. Seems very broken no wonder the mens team have struggled the last few years

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029634#Comment_121029634

You are blind, no she doesn't, in fact you can see her back arch in towards him as she actually tries to pull her head back away from him. The bit you are referring to is him pulling her head in, not her leaning.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029753#Comment_121029753

I'm reading that the Spanish FA were putting considerable pressure on Hernoso this week to release a statement exonerating Rubiales and to say he did nothing wrong. Fair play to her for standing up to them.

They seem a right bunch of jerks.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029864#Comment_121029864

We're living in a world where we have to be told to be shocked. during the live celebrations, none of the countless FEMALE commentators mentioned it, in fact they celebrated the emotion on show , it was hours later when the woke social media army demanded that we be shocked, that we became shocked and it became headlines.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029898#Comment_121029898

I think the incident went mostly unnoticed because it happened so quickly amid all the celebrations on the pitch and with dozens of players, coaches and dignitaries milling around. But I'm guessing it was spotted by quite a few viewers nonetheless and questions were already been asked by Sunday evening about what had happened and if Hermoso had been comfortable about being kissed in this manner.

The story started gaining huge traction on Monday morning when Hermoso revealed she was not happy about being kissed like that and had not wanted it - as she was perfectly entitled to do.

Furze99

Been widely reported that Hermoso lifted Rubiales off the ground before his embrace, with photos apparently showing this. But she says she didn't lift him. Is there full TV coverage of the incident to prove his claim. Could we be seeing AI generated imagery?

All very odd and just follows on from all the trouble in the camp with the manager.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121030113#Comment_121030113

A big problem for Rubiales is that his behaviour in general on the day seemed well off. He was giving bear hugs to all the players - he's an older man in a position of authority and they are young women. Many of them probably barely even know the guy and he is not their friend or confidant.