Dublin urgently needs to enforce a green belt

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940472#Comment_120940472

I agree with you there.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940489#Comment_120940489

There isnt much of a rail network there though. Dublin should have an underground. But I have given up on seeing that happen in my lifetime.

Merro north doesnt count. I mean an actual integrated underground network, rather than a single up and down line.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 8:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940504#Comment_120940504

If there's no rail network, we should be thinking twice before building there.

Yakov P. Golyadkin · 04-08-2023 8:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120828504#Comment_120828504

The state does not want to increase the population by one million by 2040, it expects it. A very different thing.

The National Planning Framework was enacted to guide planning so as to accommodate this projected increase while growing sustainably.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 8:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940528#Comment_120940528

That doesnt leave many options my good man.

dublincc2 · 04-08-2023 8:29pm

There should be an immediate ban on building over green land past the airport. As it is Swords is at the maximum level of development and they are talking about stretching out further towards Balheary direction. It’s a disgrace.

This isn’t mentioning places like the Naul, Ballyboughal and Rolestown that are being developed, there never should have been housing estates built in these locations. It needs to stop.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940543#Comment_120940543

Plonking housing down with no infrastructure and services has worked out so well.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 9:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940627#Comment_120940627

Unfortunately they will build on the all the land first and then realise they've left no room for mass transit infrastructure and it will be unfixable.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 10:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940795#Comment_120940795

True, but I dont think anyone suggested that approach.

Flinty997 · 05-08-2023 12:25am

Oooh empty field lets build on it. Is exactly that.

I can't think of any new developments near me, where the infrastructure was upgraded to cope. Rather the opposite, they tend to build them actually where there infrastructure is already beyond capacity.

Fox Tail · 05-08-2023 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120941380#Comment_120941380

Its a good point and yet any planning application for new housing in ireland takes forever.

How does it go all the way through that process and still not have a viable infrastruture commitment at the end of the planning approval.

PeadarCo · 05-08-2023 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940627#Comment_120940627

This is shortsighted nimbyism. Let's stop building houses where people want to live and even better let's do in the middle of a housing crisis. Who cares about people being homeless, driving long commutes, stuck renting for life(with rental regulations that are not fit for purpose for tenants or landlords), who care about the societal impacts of all these issues. All that's grand as long as NIMBYs are able to keep looking at green fields and not have to accept that their surroundings will be different in the future.

The fact is Dublin is growing its where people want to live and where jobs are. A modern service based economy requires people. Companies will base themselves beside/in big population centres. People want jobs and want to live where jobs are. It's a snowball effect and you see it the world over. Practically every country in the world has urbanised. The only people who benefit from this idea are existing home owners in Dublin who will see the value of their houses grow.

There is a massive generational divide in housing already. All this crazy idea would do is make the situation even worse. It would just make Dublin a gated city in effect.

Fox Tail · 05-08-2023 2:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120942758#Comment_120942758

Exactly.

The poster seems to have an aversion to any new builds going up in North County Dublin, even though its the most lightly populated part of the whole county. There are LOADS of green fields in NCD.

Its prime land so close to the city centre and should absolutley be developed for housing, but with the appropriate infrastructure included, to support housing development.

Dublin is a fast growing city and that whole area is the obvious place to develop.

I am guessing the poster that wants all building to stop lives there though.

Classic Nimby attitude. Build everywhere im the city except in front of my eye line.

Flinty997 · 05-08-2023 2:50pm

We did this before with massive estates on the fringes of Dublin, then starved them of facilities and resources and infrastructure. Then we repeated it with ghost estates, and estates on flood plains.

People seem to determined to repeat the mistakes of the past and not learn from them.

Some people won't be told fire is hot. They have to burn themselves to learn the lesson. Same with cries of NIMBYism and I want, I want I want. It's your money who cares how you waste it. You'll be back in few years complaining no one told you.

It's location, location, location. Not pin the Donkey on the map while blind folded with your fingers in your ears. Same thing from those who buried themselves in negative equity.

Fox Tail · 06-08-2023 1:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120942876#Comment_120942876

Housing with infrastructure is what is being propsed though. Not housing in isolation.

Flinty997 · 06-08-2023 2:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944955#Comment_120944955

A lot of this thread is complaining about being on a (or the end of a) train line. They want a green field site away from existing train lines with no infrastructure (it's a green field-green belt) so they have no choice except to drive.

We can see sudden spikes in population like this overwhelm local services. No doctors, no school places, roads unable to cope, drainage and water supplies unable to cope.

Flinty997 · 06-08-2023 2:09am

Anyway it's a horse that's already bolted. There's so much development going on in 5yrs the sprawl will have jumped another 5k+ outwards.

dublincc2 · 06-08-2023 4:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120942758#Comment_120942758

Reclaim land from Dublin bay. The East Point business park was a wasted opportunity as a site for offices, should’ve been high density housing built there instead. Still room to demolish all those buildings, reclaim more land out as far as Bull Island and get to work.

Flinty997 · 06-08-2023 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946697#Comment_120946697

Where do you think offices should go?

arctictree · 06-08-2023 7:51pm

I remember seeing a new housing development beside the office block I worked in a few years ago near Frankfurt. The school and shops were built first, then the housing blocks. Why cant that be done here?