Spanish election today

brickster69 · 23-07-2023 5:48pm #1

Polls close at 7pm GMT and looks like a new new leader will be in place going by the betting.

To be next President after today's election.

Alberto Nunez Feijoo - 1.1

Pedro Sanchez - 8.6

Santiago Abascal - 110.0

Yolanda Diaz - 1000.0

Ione Belarra - 1000.0

HalloweenJack · 23-07-2023 6:09pm

Pains me to say it but I want PP to win outright because having them form a coalition with Vox will be a disaster and undo a lot of good work.

Snake Plisken · 23-07-2023 6:54pm

Looking forward to PP/Vox forming the next government

HalloweenJack · 23-07-2023 7:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120887660#Comment_120887660

Any particular reason why?

PP are the standard neo-lib European conservative party riddled with corruption and a few murky types who pander to the hard-right as its gaining ground.

Vox are apologists for a dictatorship and will try yo re-write history. They also want to remove some of the rights that have been granted to minority groups and block any further progress. Vox will be disruptive because they will never be big enough to win outright so they'll just complain how the elites are keeping them down.

From the projected results, PP won 61 seats, PSOE lost 12 and Vox lost 21. Its hardly an endorsement of Vox and more a desire to move to the right. It looks like that coalition will have a majority of five seats so they'll need to keep a lid on some of their more extreme members as PP still need to appeal to the middle.

Barna77 · 23-07-2023 7:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120887496#Comment_120887496

It sickens me to think that Vox may make it to government.

And they have wasted no time apply their agenda at local level.

brickster69 · 23-07-2023 8:00pm

Looks likely no absolute majority

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1683188946275016706

Real Donald Trump · 23-07-2023 8:02pm

If current EU countries handled illegal immigration flooding Europe better, there would be very little right wing groups making gains. People are obviously sick of it and will make their voices heard at the polls.

brickster69 · 23-07-2023 9:06pm

Betting a lot closer now

Alberto Nunez Feijoo - 1.42

Pedro Sanchez - 2.66

irishguitarlad · 23-07-2023 9:09pm

Looking like neither block has enough to make a government, looks like more elections.

irishguitarlad · 23-07-2023 10:06pm

I have to say Pedro Sánchez is a master tactician, he was dead and buried after the May municipal elections. Calling the snap general elections was a stroke of genius.

francois · 23-07-2023 10:47pm

Vox seat projection down from 56 to 33

francois · 23-07-2023 11:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120887969#Comment_120887969

An Ipsos poll for La Vanguardia this month found that the economy was the single biggest issue for voters, with 31% of those surveyed putting it at the top of their list. Next was unemployment (10%) and healthcare (9%). Immigration, one of Vox’s favourite talking points, was the most important issue for just 2% of those polled.

HalloweenJack · 23-07-2023 11:08pm

Abascal just after giving a very bitter speech, blaming everyone else and not accepting that people are losing interest in his message. There was also the disappearance of Ciudadanos, another centre-right group, and those votes clearly went to PP.

What the results show is people aren't buying what he's selling. This was a good chance for them to gain ground and they've fallen behind. They may well form part of a government but that's because PP will want to govern at all costs. Vox will be very weak and I hope they get chewed up and spat out afterwards. Good riddance.

Fox Tail · 23-07-2023 11:20pm

Are Vox & PP not still on track to scrape a majority?

HalloweenJack · 23-07-2023 11:33pm

PP have 136 (up 47)

PSOE 122 (up 2)

Vox 33 (down 19)

Sumar 31 (down 7)

176 needed for a working majority.

PP + Vox (169), PSOE + Sumar (153). It'll come down to the smaller regional parties and I doubt either side is going to be able to form a strong government. Or another election which probably won't change much. Good to see, as happened in 2019, when push comes to shove, the people don't want the far right getting in.

Fox Tail · 23-07-2023 11:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888776#Comment_120888776

True, but they are only 7 away.

Is it not possible for them to band with a smaller party to make the 176?

Seems much more likley than the left closing a gap of 23, no?

HalloweenJack · 23-07-2023 11:40pm

The small parties with bigger numbers are Basque and Catalan ones (25 seats between them) and they will never work with PP and PP will never work with them and Vox even less so. They're more likely to work with PSOE but that's not guaranteed either.

There's a smattering of really small parties but they wouldn't add up to much at all.

Snake Plisken · 24-07-2023 12:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888452#Comment_120888452

Every one hates him for calling an election in the middle of what is normally holiday time for the public in Spain. Clever as would lead to lower turnout but as it looks like neither side can form a government elections will probably be held in Autumn or winter.

None of the smaller parties will support PP/Vox to form a government.

Also looks like Vox policies pushed more voters back to PP and that's why they lost some of the gains they made at the last election

HalloweenJack · 24-07-2023 12:49am

Turnout was 70.4% which is about standard for general elections here. They were also saying on the telly that the higher the turnout, the bigger the vote for the left while a lower turnout tends to favour the right.

There were two million postal votes and a big postal vote campaign. The timing is shite but it didn't stop people voting.

.Donegal. · 24-07-2023 1:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888854#Comment_120888854

Turnout 70%. Up almost 4% from 2019 election.

.Donegal. · 24-07-2023 1:29am

I did see some British right types cheering for Vox. I don’t think they did their homework. Would have been the only entertaining aspect of them power sharing below.

Gibraltar fears a hard border with Spain. Vox has called for it to be suffocated in to submission. In May, their leader said any deal with the UK that did not recover Spanish sovereignty would be a betrayal.

All the talk of Vox amounted to sweet F.A. Lost 19 seats.

Barna77 · 24-07-2023 10:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888704#Comment_120888704

I saw that. He knows that PP are so strong now that Vox have lost their leverage, so to speak. They still need each other in the regional governments. Just heard that Abascal called last night for a repeat of the elections. I am delighted to see them going down.

I also saw Rufián's (ERC) speech; now the pro independence parties are the key for any coalition. It's going to be a difficult term.