PCC

OEP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120931828#Comment_120931828

Handicaps are relevant though. It's the same algorithm for everyone. Looking at 36 points is probably the first mistake. It looks at each player's deviation from their own mean, which will be lower than 36. Higher handicaps will have much larger deviations, so are less impactful.

Golfgraffix

I think one of the issues is that the calculation does not include card that does not have 18 full scores. I think this includes pickups but i cant be sure. And as often happens here on really bad days, players walk in with maybe a hole or two to still play.

blue note

As in it doesn't include cards where a player picked up on a hole? Or it doesn't include cards where a player didn't play all 18? If the latter I can kind of understand it, but people are definitely more likely to walk in if they're not going well, especially in bad weather, so the scores would certainly be skewed. If the former that's crazy. But that surely can't be the case.

OEP

I had another PCC yesterday, not at my home course either.

Rikand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120937894#Comment_120937894

Let me know where you are playing next and I'll play there too 😉

spacecoyote

To be fair it doesn't seem to be getting applied either direction in my place at all.

Under the old system we would often get a CSS of 37 points if we got warm dry weather in the summer but I haven't seen anything other than 0 at my home place in general

callaway92

Best nett score in qualifiers for captains prize in Cahir Park 1 under over the 2.5 days of qualifying

PCC 0

Not having that - People that made playoffs/winning a big comp off scores that actually brought their handicap upwards rather than downwards with some making playoffs with +4 and +5 nett

fungie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948883#Comment_120948883

Handicaps can go up from scores differences lower than your index (beating your handicap) under the new system so that doesn't mean much anymore.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949331#Comment_120949331

But some of the rounds worse than handicaps were unreal. Lack of PCC added doesn’t show how good they were

fungie

There's definitely a lack of transparency around the PCC alright. Or can I just not find where they publish the methodology?

slingerz

Yellow wind warning at the weekend and no PCC in our place

blue note

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949331#Comment_120949331

Ah would you stop! We all understand that. But the chances of the best score over two days being one better than handicap and the overall scores being no worse than normal are fairly close to zero. And this happens all the time. Clearly there are times when it is not being used for whatever reason.

fungie

Another weekend with no PCC.

In my course on Saturday the place was very wet and very windy due to storm. Many trees and branches were down, was kinda shocked it wasn't cancelled.

The scoring was much worse than normal so was expecting a PCC of at least 1. Lo and behold, PCC = 0.

There needs to be greater transparency around the algorithm. For instance, how many standard deviations from expected to get PCC of 1, 2, 3. Or similar measures.

OEP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121006592#Comment_121006592

Were there many low handicap players playing? I have a feeling it's weighted to their scores

fungie

19 players in the category 1 division

FixdePitchmark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121007247#Comment_121007247

could you post what pts they got ..

fungie

I'm not posting whole list.

0 scores if 40 or greater

2 scores greater than 36

1 36 points

1 35

7 between 30 - 32

8 less than 30

FixdePitchmark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121009233#Comment_121009233

Below - was posted by Rikand (he was not sure it was right) but in your comp greater than 10 % - 2 of the 19 scored better than 36pts - this is enough for no PCC.

Again - we just don't seem to want to accept that a wild day during and after a storm is not best to be applying an adjustment / forcing that round into your WHS - the PCC is very conservative - as we have 12 rounds that will be discarded in your 20.

Irish golfers will just have to accept that WHS is giving you an average and tries to not adjust rounds - as it does not want to be an adjusted average - as you are already removing all the outlier days in the 12.

I think it is a carry over of people thinking we are in old system.

I accept the system is very conservative - particularly for Irish conditions - but there is no way you have 12 days out of 20 that are abnormal. So the 8 rounds are the key to focus on.

From Rikand. - but was from his memory

10% of single figure golfers beat 36 points - NO PCC

10% of single figure golfers in range 34-36 - PCC 1 (other 90% worse than 34)

bobster453

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948883#Comment_120948883

I scored 74 nett..horrible day..wind ferocious..WHS index went from 16.9 to 16.7 because of it as it was one of my 8 out of 20.

bakerbhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121012705#Comment_121012705

Careful Bobster. Your already 3 shots down for killarney .👹

bobster453

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121012744#Comment_121012744

@bakerbhoy Haha yea but only to my real one so still ok..3 shots means 42 points instead of 45..thats my target😀

bakerbhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121018541#Comment_121018541

Go on ya mad yoke 😂

bobster453

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121018650#Comment_121018650

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121018650#Comment_121018650

😂😂😂watch this space

OEP

Had a PCC of 2 in good weather but the ground was soft, and I think that's the big difference in my club. With an older membership, when there's no run the older lads can't shoot a decent score.

spacecoyote

We had a PCC of 2 last Saturday. It rained heavily all day, and was medal, and they had all the tees right back close to their limits. Course probably would have been closed if it hadn't been medal for the men and ladies.

First time I think I've had one at my home course this year