Local-improvement-scheme /Roads - Clare County Council

patsy_mccabe

This might be of interest to others. I'm in the process of putting in an application at the moment. It's to tar the surface of a right of way, gravel road that is used by 6 different farmers. Deadline for submissions is this Friday, 18 Aug 2023. It would be great if we get approval. We will have to cover 15% of the cost, but would be worth it long-term.

I imagine other counties have similar.

https://www.clarecoco.ie/services/roads-and-transport/schemes-and-projects/local-improvement-scheme/

kollegeknight

Thanks Patsy, I looked at it. Twud have been ideal if they included houses not associated to agriculture.

massey 265

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058309482/local-improvement-scheme-roads-clare-county-council

Lis scheme also in galway but a big backlog on projects.300 i believe in for consideration to date.minimum of 2 landowners per project with maximum of 1200 payment each regardless of project cost.Is this not the case in clare as i thought all counties had same regulations re lis schemes?

patsy_mccabe

There are no houses accessed by this road, so should qualify on this condition. Cost is anywhere from 300 euro to 1200, depending on overall cost. Crazy thing is, we will end up paying 25% more each as we have 6 benefiting rather than say 5.

From their Terms & Conditions

Local Contribution 
• 10% of estimated cost for eligible roads with up to and including 5 beneficiaries 
• 15% of estimated cost for eligible roads with 6 or more beneficiaries 
• The local contribution must be paid before any works commence 
• The apportionment of the local contribution is a matter for the applicants to agree

Say my name

Is the option there @patsy_mccabe to concrete instead of tar.

I know any improvement is an improvement but if the option was there to concrete especially when ye have to pay some. There was some scheme in this part of the country to concrete small back single laneways with landowners giving labour. Turned into a great job and the council never have to go back filling potholes.

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120984822#Comment_120984822

I don't know about concrete. I was told an Engineer will visit and then complete a quotation for all parties to agree.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120984505#Comment_120984505

Jesus that's a great scheme, I have two places that would benefit if I could get the neighbours talking to each other

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987094#Comment_120987094

There's a little bit of that everywhere. You just have to carefully navigate those treacherous waters. 😎

massey 265

If there is no houses on this road just stick in ur name and one other name as benificaries.Then regardless of project cost it will only cost ye 1200 x 2 =2400.Then divide this by 6 thereby each only have to pay 400 each .Concrete a non runner with co councils due to cracks etc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120984532#Comment_120984532

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987337#Comment_120987337

It's gone in now. 7 names eventually. 7 names mean 7 voters, if you know what I mean.

Say my name

If any council thinks concrete is a no go, I'd highly advise them to inspect laneways in the Rathnure, Killann, Ballindaggan, Halfway house, Kilmyshal, areas of county wexford.

Any farmers from other parts of the country no harm either to have eyes open what can be done.

Edit: actually anyone can put in "Rathnure Pvc" on Google maps and inspect one such lane using street view.

Aravo

Conditions say that road needs to have 2 herd numbers on it. If there are 5 benificiaries the payment is 10%. 6 or more payment is 15%. Max individual payment is e1,200. If an application states length to be 1000m and width at 2.2m but it's actually 1150m and 3m wide. The Grant council gets is based on figures submitted on application. So have it right. I would consider recall application and leave at 5 no. Council decides on Specification. Some councils would only stone road with cl804. If houses on road likely to be cl804 and surface dressing. If there is coillte lands on road or some public body could use road for maintenance purposes like Irish rail to access a nearby track. Don't be afraid to approach them to made a contribution. It's very likely that not all benificiaries on road will make payment. Sure farmer x uses that more than me.....

Aravo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987927#Comment_120987927

Conditions say that road needs to have 2 herd numbers on it. If there are 5 benificiaries the payment is 10%. 6 or more payment is 15%. Max individual payment is e1,200. If an application states length to be 1000m and width at 2.2m but it's actually 1150m and 3m wide. The Grant council gets is based on figures submitted on application. So have it right. I would consider recall application and leave at 5 no. Council decides on Specification. Some councils would only stone road with cl804. If houses on road likely to be cl804 and surface dressing. If there is coillte lands on road or some public body could use road for maintenance purposes like Irish rail to access a nearby track. Don't be afraid to approach them to made a contribution. It's very likely that not all benificiaries on road will make payment. Sure farmer x uses that more than me.....

Silverdream

Don't go upgrading the car just yet patsy. We've been applying since 2019 an are still a good bit back on the waiting list

kollegeknight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987927#Comment_120987927

That’s a serious job.

if I won the lotto.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993642#Comment_120993642

Locals on the lane provided the labour. Council supplied the concrete and steel.

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993314#Comment_120993314

I think my neighbours are expecting it done this year. It's a right pain using the road. Myself and 2 others spread a load of gravel on it every year. That takes a full day, usually on a hot day. The rest do nothing and some won't even pay. One even told me last week that it needs a load or it will go to hell.

Aravo

Lanes with houses on it would get priority over just access to land. Previously if a lane had a gate to restrict access it meant that the public were not allowed entry and this lane was not eligible for funding. This might have changed recently.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994239#Comment_120994239

Give him the number for the quarry

Silverdream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994239#Comment_120994239

Same as that, 7 using the road 5 contribute the other 2 believe it is our duty to provide for them

kollegeknight

Story of my life too- you feel like the little red hen sometimes

Jimbo789

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994843#Comment_120994843

Why would it matter if there is a gate restricting access to a non public road? If the council surfaces the road it doesn’t give the public rights to trespass on private land.

J.O. Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120998319#Comment_120998319

Presumably the council won't surface roads on private land.

Aravo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120998319#Comment_120998319

During the recession the LIS stopped as it was not seen in the economic climate as a priority to be spending public money on private roads. To overcome this later LIS schemes asked if they road was gated or open to public use. Recently this gated issue was removed and I'm not sure if that is still the case. I note wex co co asks these questions but that may be an old application. From a farmers perspective it's an extra safety measure so as to not allow animals to stray.

Aravo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120998502#Comment_120998502

The LIS roads are all private roads. And even after the council works maintenance reverts back to previous status quo and still remains a private road. I think this scheme is a bit of a vote getter to keep people happy.

Sugarbowl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058309482/local-improvement-scheme-roads-clare-county-council

How are you getting on with this Patsy? Did you get the job done?

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121572616#Comment_121572616

I got an e-mail from Clare Co. Council on 16 Aug 2023, confirming my application. I have heard absolutely nothing from them since.

massey 265

Lis schemes are generally asessed by the co councils in first quarter of the year and if for whatever reason some can not go ahead then another applicant will be contacted to see are they willing to proceed.Each municiple area usually gets enough funding to complete approx 10 lis schemes each year depending of course on the schemes costings but if a scheme costings are excessive, the local authority usually split it over 2 years in order to get a few schemes completed and keep the co councillors happy.

kylemc04

Any luck since with the new allocation?

patsy_mccabe

Nothing so far, only a bag full of empty promises.

blue5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100953#Comment_122100953

7th of June is approaching fast! Have you had any canvassers yet?

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144317#Comment_122144317

I was talking to our local councillor. He'll do his best.

jfh

Anyone ever get this in the end?

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122579715#Comment_122579715

No. Sick of it now.

Silverdream

The council done the road for a neighbour, he is building a new house in the avenue. What puzzled me is that the road is not a shared road. Is it possible to get the council to do a road for you outside of this scheme?

Aravo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122579803#Comment_122579803

Maybe it's a public road that was never really maintained because no house down the road. Another trick, is there other landowners adjoining the road but no direct access onto the road. If in doubt ask the neighbour

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122579803#Comment_122579803

How many individuals using the road ?
There has to be several in order for it to qualify under the LIS . They don’t all have to be living there . Non residential farm owners qualify as users

Stationmaster

2 will do - they don't have to both be living there. Had a neighbour and another lad in the parish both get their roads done the last few years. In both cases there was only 1 house on the road and one at least a km in length and another not far off - we couldn't believe they got covered under the scheme but they did - both got a savage job done on their roads in fairness.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122582243#Comment_122582243

is it just a tar finish?

massey 265

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122582243#Comment_122582243

Yes u are correct in that 2 will do.The rules changed this year as a lot were being excluded before.Its usually 10% local contribution of council costing if less than 5 contributers and 15% if more than 5 .Most seem to be costed around 100 eu per sq mtre ,so road 500 mtrs long approx 50k so local contrubution will be either 10%= 5k if less than 5 contributers or 15% = 7.5k if more than 5.Also new rule this year is a cap of 1400 max payment contribution from any contributer.This has resulted in a hugh increase in applications this year for the 2025 scheme which closed for applications a month ago.

minerleague

Anyone know have the council to maintain these roads after or is it a once-off scheme? Got one done a few years ago with a neighbour

Silverdream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122582213#Comment_122582213

It's definitely a private avenue. Grandmother at the end of the avenue, Son owns the land the Avenue is on, and the Grandson is building a house on the Avenue. So I'd be thinking they must be paying the council.

massey 265

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122585917#Comment_122585917

No council will not maintain the road as its non public .This is in the L.i.s. conditions when you apply .Only way round this is when l.i.s. scheme has been completed to apply to get it taken in charge by council and it would stand a good chance as it would be in great shape immediatly after l.i.s.works have been completed on it .There is nothing stopping you getting the road re done again in a l.i.s. scheme by applying to next round of scheme.

Lime Tree Farm

After we had it done by the council, it didn't go down well locally. One person saying you must be well in, 3 others decided to walk their dogs. Met one on a Sunday morning, stopped for a chat with him, he then asked if it was OK, I said no, cows with calves don't like dogs. He must have had a word with the others as it stopped after that.

Omallep2

Does there have to be a house on the road/lane to qualify or can multiple landowners apply for land access only?

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122586761#Comment_122586761

Read the small print. If it’s done it’s open to the public to use

massey 265

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122587628#Comment_122587628

No there doesnt have to be a house on the road to qualify for l.i.s. scheme but there needs to be land owners ,one of whome must be able to submitt proof a biss application from previous year.

Aravo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122587956#Comment_122587956

Some councils have removed the open to public use requirement. Some still have it. Def one for the small print at the time of the application. @limetreefarm - do you care to enlighten us, what did application state.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588460#Comment_122588460

Too long done now to go looking up the finer details. I do remember an entrance gate wasn't allowed.

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122586761#Comment_122586761

So you took 85 per cent of a subsidy from the taxpayer to upgrade the road but wouldn’t let a member of the public walk his / her dogs on it .

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122590102#Comment_122590102

Got it in one.