Mary Robinson lambasts Fossil Fuel Industry

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121453914#Comment_121453914

A lot, and I mean a lot, of posters on here wouldn’t, necessarily, see those “things” as a good thing.

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121454253#Comment_121454253

I bet you can't even name a single one.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121451500#Comment_121451500

I dont recall “a lot men” hating Mary Robinson when she was elected. Where is this coming from? I do recall some elderly female relatives and similar types, being quite frosty about her and what she represented. But that was partly also to do with her defeating Brian Lenihan, their expected President.

In relation to Mr Al-Jabars comments , “I’m not in any way signing up to any discussion that is alarmist. There is no science out there, or no scenario out there, that says that the phase-out of fossil fuel is what’s going to achieve 1.5C.”

His comments were clear and to the point, but would appear to be to be out-of-step with the scientific consensus. So surely the best response would have been to provide some of “the science” which does show the connection between fossil fuels and temperature?

All the responses I’ve seen from different personalities appear over-emotional and sometimes alarmist, lacking in the kind of detailed measured response which would actually win that argument.

Cluedo Monopoly

Oh I do. The FF supporter men in particular were extremely hateful.

I find it weird that people in Ireland will side with a billionaire oil sheikh over a lady who is honourable, truthful and always strives to do the right thing. His response was completely biased and he is deluded.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121465247#Comment_121465247

Reading some of the hate posts I think we're talking about people that haven't a clue about recent Irish history & spend most of their time gleaning their info from various unsubstantiated sources & are easily swayed by big marketing.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466008#Comment_121466008

Or people that are old enough to have lived through it maybe 😉. I voted for Mary and I am glad I did but I vividly remember the anger at this upstart woman taking the presidency. She was the first to win the presidency without having the support of Fianna Fail. First woman too. A Fine Gael candidate has never won it as it happens. Haughey did stop her leaving the country in 1991, a little punishment and reminder.

As for your other waffle, Boards is the only social media I use so please don't lead me astray...

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466028#Comment_121466028

I'm not talking about you gleaning the info from unsubstantiated sources! I'm talking about the people that are won over by the fossil fuel marketing and are displaying hatred for Mary Robinson.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466062#Comment_121466062

Apologies!!! I read it wrong. Yeah it is astounding people would automatically side with an oil sheikh over an elder stateswoman of her integrity. Definitely a level of sexism.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466078#Comment_121466078

Maybe sexism, but certainly more susceptible to the $4 billion yearly marketing spend the fossil fuel industry spends to recruit these people that will happily bang away on their keyboard in support of them against someone who's done so much for Ireland.

She's literally described on this thread as a "despicable turd", a "hypocrite" with a private jet (who told them she has a private jet), then she's chastised for not going to China and Brazil! (which she did)...

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466008#Comment_121466008

Perhaps other people have first hand knowledge of the woman, through “working” with her?

but shure, throw the sexism labels and “easily manipulated” labels out there.

perhaps, people just don’t like a hypocrite, beit male or female?

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466550#Comment_121466550

It's clear that any of the keyboard warriors lambasting her never met her, let alone worked with her! Sure they haven't a clue about her and what she's done for them!

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466817#Comment_121466817

so you have never met her either are easily swayed by her PR?

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466946#Comment_121466946

I judge her by her actions NSAman.

I judge the fossil Fuel industry by their actions NSAman.

I've seen what she's done for Ireland with my own experiences. Plus.. she's right about the fossil fuel industry, any idiot can see that.

tabby aspreme

This is the same Mary who was a personal friend of the Al Maktoum family, how any UN High Commissioner for Human Rights could be a personal friend of the ruler's of a country like the UAE is beyond me.

Gussoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121467110#Comment_121467110

She's an idiot if she believes that countries whose primary export that underpins their entire economies, ought to rush to their reduction and eventual elimination. Is she stupid?

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121467110#Comment_121467110

John no offence, but my own experience with Mary leaves me cold.

I also judge her by her actions, most of which have been self-serving and self-promotional.

we can all think that the fossil fuel industry has much to change, she herself has benefitted from it as we all have. I have no axe to grind with anyone about fossil fuel, but what did she actually do for Ireland? Seriously?

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121469219#Comment_121469219

NSAman, I presume you're not Irish and while I don't have much time to further educate you on the later history of Ireland I'd advice you to do a little research on the county you live in and who, what and where impacted the state. I'll give you a starter on Mary Robinson. - She was involved in the decriminalisation of homosexuality, the legalisation of contraception, the legalisation of divorce, enabling women to sit on juries, and securing the right to legal aid in civil legal cases in Ireland.

fullstop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121082182#Comment_121082182

Well obviously we can’t just suddenly stop using all their products, but we need to use less of them and eventually not use them at all. It’s incredible the amount of people who can’t grasp the fact that fossil fuels are contributing to climate change and want to think it’s the New World Order or Bill Gates or George Soros out to screw us over.

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121469285#Comment_121469285

Unfortunately, John, my education and experience, have me living through Mary’s brief reign in Ireland. Mary was only a “part” of many of the things you claim she did. Much of her persona is wrapped up in appearance. I can honestly say, appearance over substance.

not my type of person at all.

we all have opinions on people, mine differ from yours based on my own experience.

coming back to the main question though, she can lambast the oil industry all she wants. I’m sure her stay relevant comments will fall on some ears, but my main point that she is a hypocrite stands. Stop using oil, where will this planet be? All ideologues seem to have inflated sense of self. Unfortunately for Mary her time of influence is in severe decline.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121469307#Comment_121469307

Of course I grasp that fossil fuels contribute to climate change.

But it's a runaway train at this point, crashing through tipping points / targets / climate agreements / accords.

It's too late to stop it, that's my view.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121469345#Comment_121469345

She didn't "reign" in Ireland! And you're right she was part of many things that bought change to Ireland, at least you admit that although you may not like the changes she made.

If her influence has declined you'd wonder why she's hitting global headlines & why you're sitting here creating multiple posts about her as a fan boy for the fossil fuel marketing team.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121454253#Comment_121454253

Once she "rocked the system" to quote the vomit-inducing mugs and T shirts with her image being flogged at the EPIC museum, now she IS the system.

Packrat

A ghoul who showed the highest form of disrespect to the nation and to the office she was elected to once she became bored with it.

People here crediting her for others work previously need to have a chat with themselves. Possibly some of the same who elected her in a fit of pique.

A jet hopping narcissist moralizing first to Ireland and then when it became obvious that she is an irrelevancy here - got herself on two bodies which basically are the rich finger wagging at everyone else.

A horrible stain on the record of Ireland internationally.

I'd categorize her along with Mick Wallace and Claire Daly.

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121469810#Comment_121469810

It’s called making a ‘exaggerated” statement and putting it out there PR 101. Global headlines? Please!

you can do better John than call me a “fan boy” that’s means you obviously have nothing else but personal attacks.

we can differ on our views of Mary without doubt, you can be her “fan boy” and I’ll still call her a hypocrite.

one question? Will she still be flying to her “very important” meetings world wide?

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121470853#Comment_121470853

Well, stop exaggerating then. I've no problem being a fan of Mary Robinson, I don't embellish or exaggerate.

One Answer - Of course she'll be flying, how do you think she's going to get around the world? Critiques of flying by some environmentalists and people like yourself can be seen as sometimes misguided and even counter-productive. That's because not flying isn’t an effective way for experts to combat the causes of environmental degradation & climate change. Sometimes, flying can be necessary for environmentalists to attend international conferences, meetings, or events where critical decisions are made or activism efforts are coordinated. In these cases, the impact of the flight might be outweighed by the potential positive outcomes of their participation. Environmentalists might fly to witness and understand firsthand the impact of environmental issues in different parts of the world. This experiential learning can inform and strengthen their advocacy and educational efforts.

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121471289#Comment_121471289

Talk about exaggerating view of self....

SO basically it is one law for "experts" what qualifies Mary as an expert? She can use oil to fly all around the world, while pontificating to the lower serfs that they have to cut back on flying and stay at home? Hypocrisy much?

"Not flying is'nt an effective way for experts to combat causes of environmental degradation and climate change" Ever heard of Skype? Many of these so called "experts" fly private. That really is hypocrisy at its worst. No co-ordination can happen unless these "experts" are in a room? Will the earth explode if all this intelligence is not in one place?

It's funny how many business can conduct business from a computer, thousands of people can communicate without ever meeting, yet climate people have to use the very mode of transport to visit places that they themselves (by their own admission) are helping to impact. Hypocrisy?

Why do they NEED to fly to check these things out? can they not rely on the impacts of evidence based scientists? Does Mary not believe the reports and is SO important that she HAS to fly there to see with her own eyes? Or is it a photo op?

SEPT 23 1989

Imagine them all sitting around a desk and saying right we will call ourselves ’

”The Elders”

its like a monty python sketch

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121471673#Comment_121471673

Skype is great, I use it all the time, but it's not the place for some meetings, exhibitions and conferences. I've explained a good few things to you at this stage, if you don't understand why face to face is important for some subjects and why politicians and business leaders travel to broker deals and accomplish purposes you're going to have to get back to the drawing board and work it out for yourself.

elperello

Just on business air travel.

People at CEO, senior management, senior politicians etc. don't travel for the sake of travelling.

They do it because it's part of the job.

Sure the hotels are nicer and the plane seats are more comfy at their level but they already have nice homes and enough money to travel to somewhere nice if their own choice.

When you've got it made and nice few bob in the bank you'd rather be at home at 6 o'clock on a Friday evening.

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473013#Comment_121473013

Of course I understand why politicians and business leaders meet face to face, it’s called non-traceable back room deals.

unfortunately, in this day and age, the need for these meetings in nearly obsolete. Many of us who used to do business this way have figured out that the costs (in most cases bourne by the tax payer in political and UN personnel) is just too high. Not to mention most of our companies have “green” agendas. The fact that many of the world’s largest companies have these programs, means the use of flight is much less. I know myself, previously I was travelling 9 months a year. Business has increased and I have a better life and closer ties to clients and business partners.

is there any reason to spend thousands (if not hundreds of thousands of dollars) to fly to meet likeminded individuals? Imho no!

duck.duck.go

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473210#Comment_121473210

That might be so for CEOs who at least have to work for their money

different for politicians whose jobs involves milking taxpayers to pay for them gabbing away all day and inventing new and innovative ways to milk those taxpayer cows further

having the taxpayer pay for your luxury trips to Dubai to be wined and dined by rich emiratis who want to sell you onto carbon capture tech (which allow them to keep pumping oil) is a bonus

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/eamon-ryan-preparing-to-deploy-controversial-carbon-capture-technology-in-bid-to-cut-emissions/a406976098.html

Everlong1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083907#Comment_121083907

Would love to hear how she managed that. Any chance of a link or more info on what she actually said ?

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474172#Comment_121474172

I seriously doubt Jackboy's going to find that link for you!

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474018#Comment_121474018

If that's your level of understanding of the work of politicians I probably won't dissuade you.

duck.duck.go

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474361#Comment_121474361

Are you claiming now that Eamonn didn’t travel in luxury racking up needless carbon emissions on a junket trip to Emirates and did not return trying to push carbon capture tech (paid by Irish taxpayers and consumers) which will allow the guys who wined and dined him to continue producing oil and gas?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474371#Comment_121474371

No I'm not.

Are running away from your remarks about the work of politicians ?

duck.duck.go

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474423#Comment_121474423

If you consider inventing new and innovative ways to fleece the taxpayer and consumers while having a cushy salary and pension paid by said taxpayers and travelling around the world to get in bed with the evil fossil fuels industry as “work” I am afraid I can’t help you

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474436#Comment_121474436

Unfortunately you picked Eamon Ryan to compare with business people. He's pretty entrepreneurial himself, one of his businesses still trading and won on the Ernst & Young Enterprise Award!

duck.duck.go

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474608#Comment_121474608

This is the same EY that gave a thumbs up to … Anglo Irish bank?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/2023/01/25/ibrc-case-against-pre-crash-auditors-ey-settled-on-confidential-terms/

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473013#Comment_121473013

Skype is not suitable for meetings just like Sligo it not suitable for a sunshine holiday, just like a bicycle is not suitable for doing a run to the supermarket for the weekly shop, just like a vegan diet it not an optimal diet, etc etc.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478225#Comment_121478225

Pre covid lockdown you might have gotaway with the first one, things have moved on.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474436#Comment_121474436

You don't seem to know much about how politics works.

Don't be deterred though that won't necessarily be a setback around here.

Everlong1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478225#Comment_121478225

With a decent pair of panniers you might be surpised what you can fit onto a bike. I do my weekly shopping quite adequately on one. Although I should admit that I am only buying for myself and not a wife and a clatter of kids.

kirk.

The idea of politicians doing something for climate change personally seems a bit half baked really

If they're working in the right direction their bit of carbon footprint is well offset by their contribution

Keir stramer was being pushed about what he was doing personally and he said he gave up meat but it's an irrelevance really if they can make a difference

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121486581#Comment_121486581

Keir stramer was being pushed about what he was doing personally and he said he gave up meat but it's an irrelevance really if they can make a difference

This thing about giving up meat has become a trend in climate activism. I heard Brid Smith on TV last week say 'we all should eat less meat' when quite clearly what she needs to give up is scones and jam. I read nothing but disinformation about meat being 'unhealthy' like this bull I read on CNN recently. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/19/health/red-meat-type-2-diabetes-risk-study-wellness/index.html . What causes type 2 diabetics is simple carbs and sugar not lean meat which has no ill effects whatsoever.

If one chooses to give up meat for reasons other than health that's fine but climate activists spreading disinformation that meat is unhealthy can't go unchallenged.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121486624#Comment_121486624

Yeah nothing wrong with plain red meat and poultry in moderation. In fact it's good for you. I would advise people to stay away from processed meat and farmed fish (especially Salmon) and pork. Full of nasties that can lead to cancer and other issues.

ednwireland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121486624#Comment_121486624

totally agree and I've been vegetarian for 35 years. problem is they seem to be pushing to much more industrial food production from a green perspective. which I can't see been healthy.

kirk.

How did we go from my excellent post 😁about climate change to red meat and health

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121486624#Comment_121486624

All meat is not created equally.

There is the world of difference between a nice bit of grass fed beef and a cheap pie from a freezer.

People who eat poor quality meat should stop eating it altogether and buy less of better quality.

That doesn't have to be expensive, just ask your local butcher.

People who eat too much meat in general might well consider cutting back.

By the way "fat shaming" is not cool these days.

SharkMX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121082219#Comment_121082219

Nobody is perfect but I am a lot easier on the environment than she is, so she can fuk off and lecture someone doing more damage to the environment than herself.