Cheeky neighbour or how would you handle this ???

coolbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121113929#Comment_121113929

It's gas that that ye think I'm jealous. No room for differing points of view at all. I was brought up with the mindset that you cherish and expand the farm, not chip away at it by selling sites. How sustainable is that? But hey ho...

Maybe, just maybe the farmer selling the site is a great farmer and doesn't need the site to make a living.

Large bottle small glass

I rented land to a neighbouring dairy farmer.

One field in question really suited him for his cows but my field gate access was awkward being off a regional road.

He asked me three times about "knocking a gap" into field. Gaps/gates bring trouble on boundaries in the long term.

The fence he interfered with is a boundary and it should be rectified as soon as possible.

One can be firm and pleasant at the same time. Putting up an electric fence to avoid dealing with the gate isn't the smart move.

The gate has to be closed up.

No mind games, no passive aggressive nonsense just get it sorted.

Put up the electric fence after and tell them it's for their benefit to protect the boundary fence.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121114166#Comment_121114166

Exactly.

Not a farmer, but my parents had issues with a field between our house and another, and a bad new neighbour who, from the time they bought the other house , let their big dangerous security dogs roam around at will, in to all the neighbour's gardens through the poorly fenced field . All the neighbours were elderly so they were afraid /too embarrassed to deal with it, didn't want to 'fall out' with this new neighbour, who was in fact looking back on it, a bit of a bully.

It wasn't until one of the very aggressive dogs went for a poor lady hanging out her washing that it was dealt with.. Not amicably.. And nobody was friendly with them for a long time afterwards if ever, so all the walking on eggshells to be neighbourly was just a waste of time.

It would have been better if it was dealt with head on, straightaway when the issue became apparent.

I can see why in a more remote location in the country that one would want to keep neighbours on side even if they are pvllovks.

However these people did not consider the OP when they built a fence, complete with a gate for access on to his private land. Nor are they behaving lawfully.

@lakill Farm I think your approach is balanced and fair and if you do what you say in your last post, no reasonable person could or should have any problem with it.

We never had a gate for access to the field next to us, but many a football, sliotar and tennis ball went in and was retrieved with a quick hopover the fence. And blackberries were gathered too.

Thats to be expected with children, and ignored, as long as your property is not damaged nor cattle /humans endangered..

But not a gate into your property.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121113942#Comment_121113942

Lots of people on here say you are jealous because you have a different point of view. I think this is because they do not agree with your point but can't stand over their own point

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121114949#Comment_121114949

I know many many great people, the best people, only the best great people.

I once met a man he had two pints in his hand and he said....

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121113136#Comment_121113136

We are talking about the same thing, you are just trying to back track now. Your original comment that I replied to was about the cost to the tax payer of providing services to all of the one off houses you think should be banned.

I have taken the time to explain to you that there is no cost to the tax payer to service these sites as the site owner has to do all that for themselves and pay for it themselves. They get no assistance from the government for this so the cost to tax payer is zero. Unlike urban dwellers where the tax payer, including the tax payer in the rural one off site that has already paid for all of their own services, has to fund all of this.

Your comment about being foolish enough to buy a site without a good water supply is more uneducated gibberish. There is no water supply in the majority of one off sites, that’s why the site owner pays a well boring company to come and drill for water. They then pay a plumber to fit a pump to this well along with a treatment system for the water. They also pay an electrician to wire it all up. This cost is all paid for by the site owner, there is no government assistance for this so the cost to the tax payer is zero.

Do you really think the whole countryside is piped with a “good water supply” and it’s provided by the tax payer!? As I said originally, it’s better to do some research on these things before trying to talk about them.

tabby aspreme

Just to add to the above post, the water pump runs on electricity, and that has to be paid for every month too

kerryjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115058#Comment_121115058

OK so they are some people that would pay 50k for a site and another 34k For water supply before a sod has been turned and you call me uneducated. If I was buying a site I would look up and see if there was ESB and good broadband and look down and see if there was a pipe in the ground that I could get a water connection on and I would look down the road and hope to see a school and maybe a shop and a football pitch and maybe a pub, all in walking distance does all this not make sense to you.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115183#Comment_121115183

You'll want a village or town then Jack, rural is not for you!

Edit ; 50k for a site? where in the country are you?

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115183#Comment_121115183

Not just for water, that €34k also included septic tank with a raised bed treatment system and storm water removal from the site.

You don’t have to pay it before a sod is turned but it will have to all be done before you move into the house.

Apart from them few changes to your question the answer is yes, that is what people in rural sites pay for their services on top of the price of the site. No wired broadband available on the majority of rural sites either.

kerryjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115219#Comment_121115219

Not many for sale now but have seen a few for around 40, 45, is that low or high, sure like your talking probably 500k to build a one off house now days all in like the driveway alone to tar could be 30 grand.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115275#Comment_121115275

From your first post where the tax paper is paying for the one offs?

to the above post?

full circle

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115275#Comment_121115275

Sites for 40k, 45k with water and sewage close to schools, shops, pubs, etc? Don't think so, Jack even in Kerry.

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I'd imagine with the cost of building the demand for sites is through the floor

Cattlepen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112608#Comment_121112608

Situation specific. No one has the right to judge another man for selling a site. Who knows his reasons? And who else’s business is it anyway?

893bet

People are always very quick to tell another fella what he can and do with the land he owns, the money he has etc.

kerryjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115417#Comment_121115417

No i stand over my first statement selling sites for one off housing where there is no water or sewer connection should be banned that's my opinion and we are all intitled to our own opinion.

Lime Tree Farm

Any updates on the new gate

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115660#Comment_121115660

But your initial point was banging one off house as you were giving out about tax payers having to pay for water and sewerage?

and in the same vein you want to ban people having private water wells and septic tanks ie they can only build were there are water and sewerage etc ? (Which means the tax paper actually picks up the bill).

You point is incredible poorly thought out from the outside looking in.

ruwithme

Your a brave man op putting this up online for the world & it's Mother to contribute too.talk about messing with one's head.

Anyway, I'd speak with my solicitor first, he'll offer to write them a letter stating some common landowner rights. He'll probably suggest personally speaking with them before mailing any letter. Either way you'll know exactly the lay of the land.would to me work out cheaper than 5 odd pages here of opinions.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121116090#Comment_121116090

Banana's.

Keep solicitors well out of this. They're only there to take your money and deal out nothing for it.

The advice is perfect. Have a chat with them make sure the gate or beyond it is secured after the chat. The end. Wayleave is the major concern and you don't want to establish that through use of the gate.

Zero call for solicitors.

micheal98

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121111122#Comment_121111122

Ah now don’t be wishing the wife servicing on anyone… break yer heart changing the oil on them…you’d be looking for ages for the sump plug.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115433#Comment_121115433

Very few to be got in my county and small plots of land have lots of buyers...I see one or two sites in poor locations with PP on the market for years with 45k level asking prices ...

Anything decent gets snapped up at much much higher price levels...and I'm of the opinion some of the small plots with no PP are speculative for a house down the line ...although that's a big risk imo

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121115660#Comment_121115660

The sewer I could understand, but water?

What issue can you possibly have with a private well?

roosterman71

I've a similar problem. A piece of ground we lease is a few miles away and I wouldn't have much reason to be around it. One day a few years ago I went for a look to see all was well and in the distance, at the back of the terrace adjoining the field, I noticed a new wall. Jaypers. All the rest of the boundary had tall trees, overgrown whitethorn, bushes, etc, but this patch was gone and a wall erected. I took a few photos and double checked the maps and whatnot to see where the boundary was. Sure enough, the trees were mine. I called into the house and asked and was told firstly it was their trees and they could do what they want. Then I produced the maps and said "No way sir". Then I was told the trees were blocking their sunlight. A closer look around then and I seen they had extended the house towards the trees, thus moving their kitchen/living room into the garden further and hitting the shade sooner. I asked had they sought permission to remove the trees and hedges. Nope. Nor had they permission to even extend the house! I was winning now. I said I'd compromise and leave the wall as long as the trees and things were reinstated. I was told to **** off with myself. Not happy, I put a few whitethorns along the wall myself to let them grow and just last week I went to check earlier this week and they are after clipping the tops of them. I called in and said don't touch them and was told to **** off again.

What will I do next? I'm thinking, get the digger and take down the wall in my field and throw up some barbed wire. And then report the extension to the council. I don't see compromising working here and when that doesn't work, it's escalation time

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117374#Comment_121117374

Report all in that case and don't touch anything yourself. They broke the law with your boundary but also broke planning permission laws that affect county council. Report and keep yourself clean

Lime Tree Farm

There are certain exemptions from planning at the rear of a dwelling.

Aska

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121104317#Comment_121104317

Could be for lawnmowing grass also, goes on alot too, put it on the otherside of the fence so it's not in view from their side.

Aravo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117374#Comment_121117374

A few questions. Is this a number of terrace houses. Is each boundary just a whitethorn hedge with trees. Is there anyother type of fence. What do the planning drawings show for the houses. If they are not online the council can request same from their archives. Back then and even now drawings would show dimensions to boundaries. Land registery Q&A will state that they do not determine exact boundary positions.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117374#Comment_121117374

Well if they are after commiting the foul and tell you yo **** off...+ lie through their teeth before that....then document all the way and I suppose legal route ... they should have to pay your costs etc

Would a solicitors letter do the trick dyou think?

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121120099#Comment_121120099

Yeah it's a small estate of terraced houses built in the 60s

The boundary originally was a mound of clay with a fence somewhere around it I'm told. The trees. bushes and stuff were sown by the council at the time outside the boundary. The houses along often took the mound out and built walls or even sheds there behind their house so each on is nearly different. There's wire there between the bushes and the walls/whatever that's probably there 50 years or more.

Don't know what the planning drawings would show. Don't see them online but the maps of the land show it (there was maps done around 15 years ago as there was talk of adding a few more cottages at the end and they'd be buying some of the field but the crash ended that plan) and it's a straight line along the back. The new wall then isn't in line with what was there previously or the neighbours. I'll probably ask the council to see what they say.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121120559#Comment_121120559

It's well documented now I tell ya! Don't want to go the legal route if at all possible and it's a foot or so out into my area. It's the cheek more so than the bit of land which was pretty useless anyway for anything bar whatever wildlife lived in the bushes.

notthereyet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121120635#Comment_121120635

Is this a wind up or are you serious please tell me your taking the piss. terraced houses that are built since the 60s that there was no clear boundary in the first place only a pile of clay and you know this lad has moved his boundary out 12 inches, my dick is nearly 12 inches FFS cop on to yourself and get a life.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121121078#Comment_121121078

That's not a dick, it's a foot.

greysides

MOD: Thread closed pending consultation with OP.

greysides

UPDATE:

" OP Lakill Farm thanks everyone for ther constructive advice ,

The OP following the advice here , spoke with the neightbours over the weekend and suggested he will place a permanent electric fence on the field side of the fence and permanently close the gate . The neightbours were delighted when i suggested the fence was to stop cattle scratching off the fence and breaking the posts . "

Thank you everyone