Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

gmisk · 21-09-2023 3:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139052#Comment_121139052

I am not sure there was a safer route? There are two exits as far as I know on foot, there were protestors at both of them.

ZeroThreat · 21-09-2023 3:32pm

Was 'Gemmaroids' at the protest?

nullzero · 21-09-2023 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139105#Comment_121139105

You just can't get through a post without being rude can you?

You're essentially saying that you find one group of whack jobs agreeable and not the other so you're happy to make excuses for the first group therefore I need to cop myself on.

Any group that welcomes extremists into their ranks are lunatics, that should be self evident.

You essentially refuse to see any issues in groups you agree with, which says a lot about your ability to approach this topic honestly.

Quin_Dub · 21-09-2023 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138893#Comment_121138893

Did people at those protests assault people or rob them or throw bottles of piss at people?

Did they bring a gallows and shout that specific individuals should be killed?

gmisk · 21-09-2023 3:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139128#Comment_121139128

That dope seems to be keeping a low enough profile for a bit at least! Thankfully.

Probably partially to do with this...scumbag behaviour as you would expect

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/07/31/solicitor-representing-bereaved-mother-in-case-against-gemma-odoherty-increases-security-after-alleged-threats/

nullzero · 21-09-2023 3:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139139#Comment_121139139

They displayed communist iconography, is that something that's of benefit to society?

Faugheen · 21-09-2023 3:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138998#Comment_121138998

This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

tomcosgrave · 21-09-2023 3:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139155#Comment_121139155

You seem to think that displaying iconography is the same as throwing bottles of piss around along with actively threatening people.

And you wonder why I'm rude to you?

mazdamiatamx5 · 21-09-2023 3:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139155#Comment_121139155

That's not a useful test for the exercising of free speech in a democratic society.

o1s1n · 21-09-2023 3:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139135#Comment_121139135

It's also possible that one group of whack jobs could have been more unruly than the other, which is what we saw over the last few days of protests.

Protests should be primarily responded to by the authorities based on their actions. If something is getting violent or verging on violent, it needs to be shut down.

Yesterday's protests were on the verge of turning particularly ugly.

Quin_Dub · 21-09-2023 3:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139155#Comment_121139155

Espousing/Supporting Communism isn't illegal , stupid certainly but not illegal.

However theft and common assault are illegal as is throwing piss-filled projectiles at Gardai.

Not the same things at all really now are they?

mazdamiatamx5 · 21-09-2023 3:45pm

Even in a country with relatively soft touch policing, the state could crush these hooligans in 5 minutes if it chose to.

They have caused immense harm to the cause of legitimate critics of the proposed hate speech legislation, I hope they are proud of themselves.

Become Death · 21-09-2023 3:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139189#Comment_121139189

13 people arrested. More than 13 people weren't.

How come this isn't being reported on as "mostly peaceful"?

.Donegal. · 21-09-2023 3:49pm

I detest this government and I’m all for protesting but this was just a skank fest. The absolute state of them. Low IQ, excess free time and an internet connection breeds this level of looney. A few cracks to the skull would have done them no harm. Hopefully next time .

o1s1n · 21-09-2023 3:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139193#Comment_121139193

This 100%.

I have huge reservations around the ambiguity of this bill and it absolutely pains me to see these space cadets and the nonsense they're peddling in relation to it.

Gives an incredible amount of fodder to anyone who is pro getting it pushed through.

TokTik · 21-09-2023 3:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139135#Comment_121139135

The whole left and right thing is a folly.

What needs to happen is, politicians should be looking at why people are so disenfranchised with them. This is by far the weakest and worst government I can remember in my lifetime. I’m mid-40s. The level of abuse they are getting, and it’s from both side of the left and the right, is unprecedented.

I saw Charlie Flanagan come in for a heap of abuse, threats etc online yesterday for replying “an adult human female” to the question “what is a woman”. McGrath, Keoghan and Craighwell get it too. MHR got it from the other side. As do Murphy, Varadkar and Martin.

And we also have TDs at it, stating that the young electorate are being “infected” by another political party. Shocking language from a parliamentarian.

And this isn’t an Irishcentric issue, all over Europe people are moving away from the current politicians to more extreme elements.

You would imagine that surely someone, somewhere, would have by now turned around and said, ‘Whoa we’ve gone massively off course here in the eyes of a lot of the electorate’ and try to fix it. Yet it doesn’t seem to be happening anywhere. Which leads to more conspiratorial thinking.

In my eyes, the Dail, all of it, government and opposition need to call an emergency session, sit down and discuss it, and try to find a way forward. Won’t happen because there’s an election due in the next few years, but who knows where we, and Europe, will be by then.

MrMusician18 · 21-09-2023 3:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139122#Comment_121139122

There's several ways in and out of the complex as a pedestrian. There is even a helipad on government buildings so MHR could have been evacuated Saigon style.

mazdamiatamx5 · 21-09-2023 3:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139201#Comment_121139201

Gosh, I don't know, "Become Death". Is it because the Illuminati Globalist Bill Gates Vaccine Meeja can't handle the troot ??

prunudo · 21-09-2023 3:54pm

Had to step away for a few hours but I see the smugness is strong on the thread. Yes some protesters overstepped the mark, yes some shouted, yes some hurled insults, but it was a protest, sometimes they get ugly. Its not all peace and love out there.

But its a slippery slope when people who have different believes or grievances are given labels, insulted and called stupid. People need to listen for a change, maybe they have a point and the government/society/media is overlooking their issues and this was the accumulation of anger over months and years. Just because their gripe isn't on someone else's radar doesn’t mean there isn't a large section of society being **** on.

We did really well for many years at being accepting, breaking down barriers and making the country more diverse. But the last couple years it seems you're only allowed different views if it follows their views.

There's choppy waters ahead and people need to open their eyes to it.

Red Silurian · 21-09-2023 3:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139193#Comment_121139193

And the reason it doesn't choose to crush them? Could it be optics, trapped politicians get more sympathy than ones that made it out unscathed

martingriff · 21-09-2023 4:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137086#Comment_121137086

I have a feeling they had no idea who Healy Rae was only saw politician

Montage of Feck · 21-09-2023 4:05pm

Not a very coherent group were those dopes. Far right, trans, racist, homophobic communists! Obviously the growing commie Nazi threat has revealed itself.

mazdamiatamx5 · 21-09-2023 4:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139258#Comment_121139258

It could be for those reasons, in the sense that anything is possible. It could also be that given our history we are sceptical of the exercise of state power against even badly behaved parts of its population.

mazdamiatamx5 · 21-09-2023 4:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139271#Comment_121139271

Some of them were shouting "sell out" at him, which seems to suggest they thought he was one of them possibly.

Gatling · 21-09-2023 4:07pm

I heard there was a contingent of Russians protesting mixed in with the bunch of headcases .

nullzero · 21-09-2023 4:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139166#Comment_121139166

They're not unrelated.

The fact that you feel justified in being rude to someone just because you disagree with them speaks volumes.

nullzero · 21-09-2023 4:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139189#Comment_121139189

Both things are negatives, both carried out by groups of loonies on our streets.

realdanbreen · 21-09-2023 4:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139029#Comment_121139029

What a fool comment, grow up.

ELM327 · 21-09-2023 4:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121136956#Comment_121136956

Similar on Newstalk too. That is a no go idea.

martingriff · 21-09-2023 4:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137281#Comment_121137281

I think it was all current politicians they just got near him

Quin_Dub · 21-09-2023 4:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139302#Comment_121139302

" Both sides" nonsense.

Stubbing your toe and breaking your leg are both negatives , but one is much worse than the other don't you think?

tomcosgrave · 21-09-2023 4:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139299#Comment_121139299

I feel justified in being rude to someone who equivocates displays of iconography with the behavior on display yesterday, yes. How you can equivocate between the two is absolutely beyond me.

Out of interest, if there hadn't been displays of Lenin and the hammer and sickle at the trans counter protest at the weekend, do you think yesterday's events would not have happened?

Montage of Feck · 21-09-2023 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139066#Comment_121139066

Following the October revolution homosexuality was de facto legalised that is until Stalin got into power and specifically banned homosexual acts.

Glencarraig · 21-09-2023 4:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137103#Comment_121137103

In other words "Rent - A - Mob" lead by a couple of "TD's" who were on tv recently encouraging a very vocal turnout.

hymenelectra · 21-09-2023 4:19pm

As far as I could make out, healy rae was involved in some kind of hotel purchase to house immigrants.

I can't swear to it but it's quite telling that you have to wade through countless comments of condemnation and classism. It's a nice way to bury the lede.

People getting legitimately angry and shouting and screaming is the least surprising thing given the state of the country and what's going on.

For all those grumbling behind their cups of tea for the last decade, and all the difference it has made, it's fairly rich to then condemn those actually taking action in protest.

The easiest take away from the utter shambles of governance and country is this, this system is not going to last. It was never going to last. That's the starting point, that the status quo and modus operandi at large is simply done for.

The only point of contention is how that drastic change is coming, not if.

Glencarraig · 21-09-2023 4:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137244#Comment_121137244

It's a Marjorie Taylor Green wannabee

ollkiller · 21-09-2023 4:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139278#Comment_121139278

Everyone has a right to protest. And people are pissed off about various issues. Which I can understand. But the majority of these people are permanently pissed off about everything, and made worse by online echo chambers. But they wont change their own life. You can make your own life better through knowledge, education and hard work. But hard work is alien to a lot of them. It's the gay, black, trans, immigrant that's holding me back. It's not. Its yourself.

With online nowadays this is only going to get worse. Unfortunately.

event · 21-09-2023 4:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139238#Comment_121139238

I will absolutely listen.

What was it they were trying to say?

gmisk · 21-09-2023 4:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139227#Comment_121139227

Willie O Dea hanging off the chopper firing a machine gun.

I thought RTE said two exits on news yesterday but could be wrong.

fullstop · 21-09-2023 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137167#Comment_121137167

Hahaha, spot on! Our very own Walter Mitty.

Strazdas · 21-09-2023 4:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139294#Comment_121139294

That makes total sense. The alt right / conspiracy theory brigade hate Ukraine and Zelensky (and Ukrainian refugees of course).

hymenelectra · 21-09-2023 4:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139427#Comment_121139427

It's all very well to condemn and throw names without addressing any single issue.

Not directed at you, but there is clearly something seriously wrong at the heart of this country. One may not acknowledge it consciously, but your brain does. Somewhere hidden away at the back.

There is a fundamentally, even hysterically, obvious contradiction at large. We have so much money, apparently, yet there's no sign to be seen of it for a rapidly growing section of society. In fact, life is getting much worse.

So, rather than point at the first social signs of malcontent and laughing like jeering hapless hyenas, maybe people should consider what is causing it.

And no, it isn't the Internet. Its the housing crisis, the homeless crisis, the cost of living crisis, the immigration crisis, the healthcare crisis, the educational crises and so forth. Tangible and self evident, rather than the Internet bogeyman from America.

It's greed behind this. And greed deserves everything coming to it.

eightieschewbaccy · 21-09-2023 4:44pm

Bit telling when certain posters are trying to draw a comparison with a peaceful counter protest which has always been acceptable.... Nobody seems to be even clear on what yesterday's was about.

TomTomTim · 21-09-2023 4:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139492#Comment_121139492

And no, it isn't the Internet. Its the housing crisis, the homeless crisis, the cost of living crisis, the immigration crisis, the healthcare crisis, the educational crises and so forth. Tangible and self evident, rather than the Internet bogeyman from America.

An often pushed narrative, that relies on everything being perfect on the ground, and that these types are solely the products of internet Americanisation. Ironically though, there's being much Americanisation, politically speaking at least, that's arrived on our shores, and it wasn't the "far right" who brought it here. If they are guilty, they are guilty for responding, and not importing.

prunudo · 21-09-2023 4:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139443#Comment_121139443

I wasn't there so don't know either, but seems the media are more interested in hyping up the drama than actively asking what the protesters grievances were.

hymenelectra · 21-09-2023 4:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139506#Comment_121139506

As I said above, it's no coincidence that people are tripping over themselves to jeer and condemn.

Everyone knows what's wrong. But its far easier to jeer.

Whatever website or piece of media you care to visit, it would be startling if there were a checkmark beside them declaring how they do or don't profit from the multiple fiasco in play.

Greed is at the heart of this, and the furthest I was bothered to discern, healy rae is involved somehow in the purchase of hotels for migrants.

How surprising.

Rubberchikken · 21-09-2023 4:53pm

I'm all for protests. Done properly they can achieve change.

But a mixed band of whatever's shouting etc isn't going to achieve much.

Gallows with politicians pics on is juvenile and ridiculous.

It gives Healy Rae his photo/hyperbolic comments tv and radio time.

The idea of a 'sterile' area around the dail is nonsensical. These are public reps in a gov building.

They need to actually engage with the public who have given them a cushy lifestyle and grow a pair.

corny · 21-09-2023 4:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139443#Comment_121139443

**** knows. RTE won't tell us.

tomcosgrave · 21-09-2023 5:00pm

From The Journal - Who were the protesters at the Dáil yesterday and what exactly were they protesting?

https://www.thejournal.ie/dail-protest-organisers-6174289-Sep2023/

Tork · 21-09-2023 5:05pm

It'll be interesting to see who was arrested. Yesterday was simply an escalation of what has been going on all year. Broadly the same people have been intimidating people working in pharmacies and vaccination centres, harassing workers in libraries and bookshops, causing trouble outside refugee accommodation and generally causing mayhem. Some of the individuals involved have been filmed being violent and abusive towards those who disagree with them but little has been done about them. I'm all for people exercising the right to protest but the antics of this rabble are on another level altogether. They seem to be a load of nasty, unemployable skangers who thrive on causing mayhem.

Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

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