The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155489#Comment_121155489

Nobody condones the loyalist atrocities. You do not have bands up on a stage in front of thousands or tens of thousands singing uh ah up the UDA or uh ah up the Shankhill butchers. You do not have a leader from a mainstream political saying there was "no alternative" to loyalist paramilitaries.

The Irish team is playing under the Irish tricolour, that is the dominant flag used at the matches. It makes sense and shows respect to all that pira atrocities done under the flag of the tricolour were not in our name. Do not forget three northerners on the Irish rugby team were nearly killed by a pira bomb during the troubles ( one never played again ).

Bobson Dugnutt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155489#Comment_121155489

The song was written in response to Warrington but was also about all the futility and death during the troubles. It’s ridiculously easy to condemn the actions of loyalist terrorists and the British state. It’s also very easy to do so for the IRA. It’s only people who believe every atrocity, bombing and shooting of the IRA was justified who are having to jump through hoops here.

The IRA never enjoyed large support north or south during the troubles. They were seen for what they were - vile terrorists who had no problem committing sectarian atrocities, shooting disabled teenagers they wrongly suspected of informing, moving child rapists around because they were good Republicans or putting people in a wheelchair by shooting them in the legs as a first line punishment. Butchers.

Downlinz

The takes on this are wild.

Zombie has been a popular song for both Limerick GAA and Munster Rugby in recent years starting as a commemoration to local treasure Dolores. It's a catchy song to sing and works well in a crowd for everyone else to join in, it's a song of peace and resolve and it means nothing else other than having pride in Limerick. It's been sung for years in both the Gaelic Grounds and Thomond and I've never heard of it anyone consider it even remotely divisive.

Maybe the song should just should just stay in Limerick if people outside are going to do these kind of mental gymnastics every time it's heard in a stadium.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155675#Comment_121155675

It's nothing to do with anybody condoning Loyalist atrocities.

It's about condemning one side and not the other.

Either leave the politics out of it, or condemn both.

Besides now your making it sound that it's less to do with the what happened in Warrington and more current point-scoring with SF supporters.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155699#Comment_121155699

If it is being done in the name of peace, there's tons of songs that are only about peace and don't reference specific events.

One of those might be better suited for a 32 county organisation.

Bobson Dugnutt

It has nothing to do with the IRFU. It’s a fan lead thing, first with Munster and now with Ireland, and it ain’t going anywhere. It’s only a song after all.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155699#Comment_121155699

Correct and well put. "It’s only people who believe every atrocity, bombing and shooting of the IRA was justified who are having to jump through hoops here."

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155780#Comment_121155780

Condemning those who bombed kids in shopping centres is, or should be, inclusive to everyone. It was not in our name.

growleaves

Its a good song imo.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154702#Comment_121154702

Were you out protesting when most of Ireland were celebrating those who fought during the Easter rising? They killed civilians. Were they scumbags in your eyes? It's not whataboutery, it's finding out if you are a hypocrite.

RoTelly

So just to add to this.

The sound of the song is great IMO and the words are a bit meh but they go with the sound so it gets a pass.

The meaning of the song I always felt came from a Southern Irish Rock Band that didn't really understand any of the issues. Yes you can say it is a song against war, and in particular the Warrington bombing, but its largely one against the nationalist, they are not saying

"In your head Britannia is still ruling ... in your head"

Do I think it is an anti-War song?

No, It is unfortunately comes across as a tiresome FG TD saying do we really have to deal with the nationalist in the north look at what they keep doing, rather then recognizing that both sides were doing much the same to one another.

Though I am sure the cranberries would take a differing view. However, all in all its a good catchy rock anthem.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154769#Comment_121154769

You are making derogatory comments about those who suffered huge mistreatment and suffered the loss of loved ones. If that's what you are then own it, don't hide.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121150808#Comment_121150808

Huh?

Don't remember the British Army planting bombs in shopping centres and killing children. You can't get any lower than that, and the PIRA went there by themselves.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155862#Comment_121155862

A rock anthem condemning all violence in NI would have been rather lazy and very predictable. One singling out the IRA for criticism was more provocative and 'out there', especially for a band from the Republic.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155862#Comment_121155862

The tiresome FG TDs were putting NI to the forefront during Brexit negotiations while the SF ones were doing god knows what

Bobson Dugnutt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155888#Comment_121155888

It’s not derogatory to say that the PIRA didn’t enjoy widespread support amongst the nationalist community in NI. Look at the support the SDLP enjoyed compared to SF. Look at the strength of SF as a party in the South. Look at the amount of Catholics that the IRA shot, disappeared, tortured and raped.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154563#Comment_121154563

The PIRA were not the good guys in any situation. They were thoroughly bad, rotten to the core.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155912#Comment_121155912

You will need to do some basic reading up on the war, they planted bombs and killed numerous children. They teamed up with their loyalist buddies to have many more killed.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155934#Comment_121155934

Indeed, Sinn Fein only became popular in NI after the Good Friday Agreement was signed and peace had become established. The idea that they and the IRA were the representatives of the nationalist community and that any criticism of them (i.e. Zombie) was an attack on the nationalist community is a total rewriting of what was actually going on in the 80s and 90s.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155934#Comment_121155934

He was calling the victims families mopes. A derogatory, sneering term used by loyalists.

cms88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121150507#Comment_121150507

That ''SweetIrishGhirl'' is one of the biggest fools i seen on Twitter, and that's saying something! She's always very fast to trow things out there but never happy when people don't agree with her. Something very comment when it comes to her like from the North.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155915#Comment_121155915

Really? For whom? It's the kind of rhetoric that I grew up with in the Republic. It is as lazy and as predicable as

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155930#Comment_121155930

Seriously it suited them, if it didn't they'd be the first to put customs at the boarder.

BTW I am not SF supporter.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155990#Comment_121155990

Why did it suit them? I think it is a good example of a time when ROI parties have put NI interests first. The UK parties like SF (yes, SF are a UK party, they use the UK rules around donations rather than ROI rules as it suits them) didn't do anything for NI nationalists during Brexit negotiations, they just did what they always do when something needs to be done, disappear. We would have had a hard border if we had to rely on SF.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155704#Comment_121155704

The only people who take offence to Zombie are the cretinous simpletons who supported the bombing of Warrington.

I'm still laughing at them, trying to censor a song that correctly called out scumbags who were lower than Robert Thompson and Jon Venables.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155983#Comment_121155983

These thickos are all very quick to go abusive when the essential preposterousness of their position is called out. There's a cohort of self styled "woke" young people who are utterly blind to the hypocrisy of their positions. You can't genuinely claim to be woke if your default reaction is to whatabout or mock victims when the victims of Provo atrocities are brought up - because that's what the far right does.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121155940#Comment_121155940

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Troubles

The British Army planted bombs???!??

Of all the revisionist historians in all the revisionist histories, how did you come up with that one?

trashcan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121154392#Comment_121154392

What makes it a great song in your view, apart from the fact that you seem to think it pisses republicans off ? It’s a dirge of a tune, annoyingly sung, with lyrics a sixth former would be embarrassed to produce.

kippy

The country is a f***king mess in many ways and the big news the past few weeks has been around two songs.

People need to cop the fck on and focus on the real issues.

L.Ball

Are people really crying about this or is it just shinners and ra heads?

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121156081#Comment_121156081

What's wrong with the lyrics? They're straight and to the point and they work. The fact that 30,000 Irish people immediately joined in when it came over the PA is proof it is a great song that connects on a visceral level.

Are you one of these miserabilists that goes around analysing the lyrics She Loves You by Wonderwall by Oasis or I Can't Get No Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones going "pah, a primary school child could have written that?"

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121156085#Comment_121156085

People objected to one of those songs because that song glorifies terrorists. Not unreasonable. Not remotely unreasonable.

The same people who were rabid in their support for the singing of a song that glorifies terrorism are now having a hissy fit over a song which rightly castigated their murdering heroes.

Both of these absurd spectacles demonstrate the reality of what Sinn Fein is - a cult that seeks to elevate the murderers of three year old children to sacred cow national hero status through a sustained campaign of Disneyfication and ethnonationalist propaganda masquerading as "anti-imperialist". These bastards were about as anti-imperialist as Putin.