The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165595#Comment_121165595

So you can't refute any points I raised. It's ok to admit that, no shame in it. But at least did you read up on the collusion link I provided for you? It might open your eyes a bit.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165396#Comment_121165396

I'm pretty sure they'll be taking notice if it's being used with the stated intention of provoking or preaching to SF voters, as is the case here.

There's a lot of us after all.

Harder again to see what Munster rugby will do.

There's a lot of love for Delores here in Limerick.

The idea of using any of her songs, or her memory, to score cheap political points won't go down well.

If it was just a handful of 'lunatics' coming up with nonsense, why not just ignore them? How did it turn into this?

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165404#Comment_121165404

aw I see !

if you dont like something you just make up what ever bs you like to make the facts fit your own personal narrative

I advise you to speak to a medical professional about these delusions.

thank god ye are still a lunatic fringe as ye always were

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165777#Comment_121165777

The idea that the song is being played for any other reason than it’s a time that people can sing along to is batsh*t crazy.

The idea that the song itself is at attack of SF specifically and not mindless violence in general is batsh*t crazy

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165518#Comment_121165518

proxy bombing

bombing childrens hospitals

bombing unarmed parades

sniping from another jurisdiction

hiding themselves behind children

persistently torturing people that they knew to be innocent (due to them being the actual guilty parties)

facilitation of peados

protection rackets ,smuggling drugs tobacco desiel and god knows what else , ongong criminality

to name but a few of the proven activities of your organization

ya the heros ,

and all because ye couldnt swallow a large group of people singng a song about the victims of your heros

pathetic

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165849#Comment_121165849

I don't think that's why it was chosen, or sang in the first place.

But that's what's being said now.

They want to 'remind' SF voters about the atrocities and 'sicken their holes' with it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165539#Comment_121165539

Funny how the most vocal republicans live the furthest from the border. Those of us that have been near bombs, nearly ripped apart on a fairly frequent basis by these great clean freedom fighters just going to school etc dont hold these people in such high esteem.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165871#Comment_121165871

Who are “they” and how do “ they” get to live in your head rent free during a property crisis?

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165674#Comment_121165674

i did not of course , The idea of some one with your mentality in charge of a united Ireland would make Ireland a failed terrorist run state. (think Afghanistan ) poor attempt at manipulation , youd be thrown out of any debate in the world on your lying ass

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165777#Comment_121165777

Goading the opposition, some might hear it wrong and be offended, Parry said it was wrong to sing it, SF voters may be 'educated' by the song.

A few pages back you said you were a possible reluctant first time SF voter cos they were the only ones who were going to put your kids through college and put a roof over their heads, now it's 'us'.

Would you ever get off the stage, you're in a minority of one who's called for the song to be banned in this entire thread, it's not going to happen, MM said as much this morning when he stated, correctly, that the song being offensive to anyone is absurd.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165893#Comment_121165893

I understand where you're coming from and part of me is thinking why am I getting involved.

I only joined this thread to share my thoughts on the song as a sporting anthem, I wasn't even aware of what had happened on twitter!

But then I'm seeing all this stuff about sticking it to the 'shinners', reminding them about Warrington etc.

I know the majority of rugby fans are decent, but there is that element, as in most sports, who I know will be thinking the same.

And that does upset me. I don't want to have to deal with that going to a match. I'll really only vote SF because they're the only viable left wing option.

I want my kids to maybe own a house and go to college. For that I'll be accused of supporting child murder. At a match.

I don't want sport being used as a platform for that kind of agenda. I don't know how the IRFU or Munster rugby deals with it now but I'm afraid the door has been opened.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165661#Comment_121165661

The chorus asks a good question 'What's in your head? Zombie'. She's simply questioning in what world is it a good idea to plant a bomb in a litter bin on a busy Saturday afternoon with children walking past it i.e. how could any bomber rationalise with himself that this was the right thing to do.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121163285#Comment_121163285

Yes . Agree again .

All this fuss over songs , books, poetry and plays ...personal stories and experiences, and expressions of such .. art and culture, that should not be taken literally and used to divide people . They are of their time and relate to particular events and the artists' own stories as much as , and maybe more than they do to history

People are being too sensitive and keeping wars going needlessly .

All the history is there , true , and nobody is saying forget what people suffered , but if people can move on we will be the better for it . This picking at healed scabs eternally is not going to get us anywhere... except bleedin' sore !

SF members on social media do themselves no favours harking back to the past though , drawing attention to all that many moderate members have spent the last 20 years trying to move past. Just as many moderate Unionists have too .

Greatest turnoff as I said previously for anybody under the age of 35 that might be thinking of voting for any of the parties involved in slating music and songs

Its housing , education , health, economy that they want discussed .

Its extremists on either side that love this cuffuffle over the likes of Celtic Symphony and Zombie , and try to drag it out for effect .

They are just songs that people sing often without thinking , although the words Up the Ra don't sit easy with me and some other older people .

The crowds at the concerts in EP and the match in France were not thinking of war and people getting killed mostly I would think .

They were just enjoying themselves and doing what happy people do, sing along .

It was lovely to hear .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166050#Comment_121166050

Spoiler, SF are not going to give your kids houses nor make it somehow super affordable.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165968#Comment_121165968

I didn't say half those things.

The rest I was only quoting what was said here already.

I haven't heard the mm interview but I find it hard to believe he's doing anything other than chasing votes and further politicising this.

The song was blacklisted in the UK for being offensive, yet he can't see how it could possibly be?

It's calling someone a zombie, of course it could be offensive in the wrong context.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166140#Comment_121166140

TBF we know for a fact FF/FG/Greens won't.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121164918#Comment_121164918

the british government's key position was irish unity by concent of the british government only, up until the good friday agreement, after which it changed to irish unity by concent of the people.

the PIRA quitting their campaign in 1972 would have meant certain ethnic cleansing of the catholic and nationalist community and that could not be allowed at any cost, + the removal of stormont did not remove the sectarian state.

the civil rights movement could not have accomplished equal rights on their own, as it was clear the british government would not give them anything, and showed they were willing to beat and shoot them off the streets.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166185#Comment_121166185

You said them all, do you want me to embarrass you further by posting your quotes? You're clearly a SF supporter from the start here, that is your rationale in the thread from the start. Didn't see twitter? They're posted on the first page.

The song was blacklisted prior to the Iraq war, because it is AN ANTI-WAR SONG!

But you knew that, because every time anyone has actually engaged with you you've deflected or ignored their comments, including mine.

You're clearly just trolling on behalf of SF

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121164937#Comment_121164937

that was a conspiricy theory put forward by those bitter at the GFA on the british side.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166206#Comment_121166206

Ageist much? Some of my dearest friends are still under 35! 🙈

But I agree with you. I just want to be able to go watch a match.

I don't think the fans in France were doing anything other than singing along, but it's been politicised since and I don't know how that harm is undone.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165282#Comment_121165282

well no sf weren't the IRA and adams wasn't in the PIRA as he has said himself, he is innocent until proven guilty in a court therefore his claim is accurate until proven otherwise in said court.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166305#Comment_121166305

Tell that to the family of Jean McConville.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166185#Comment_121166185

Now the ultimate irony. A SF supporter on the same side as the British government because they don't like a song that draws attention to the futility and wanton cruelty of bombs.

In your head, in your head.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166270#Comment_121166270

I didn't post until page 5.

I've posts on other threads going back months about being a reluctant SF voters.

What was I doing then, building a cover?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165698#Comment_121165698

posters absolutely have posted perfectly coherent justifications for the PIRA self-defense, you not agreeing with those is not the same as there being no justification.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166258#Comment_121166258

"The civil rights movement could not have accomplished equal rights on their own"

I frequently hear this and it is pure bs. Equal rights and independence were achieved in all the other colonies, even India ffs.

Plus Ireland had a huge US diaspora on our hands, it wouldn't have taken long to mortify the Brits into equal rights and a path to a united Ireland.

But no, the PIRA went straight from defence into barbaric offense who, along with the piss poor management from the brits, created a province never more divided and a population never more entrenched in their beliefs, beliefs that were only loosely nodded to preciously in mist cases.

We have nothing to thank the PIRA for.

Dickie10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121163659#Comment_121163659

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121163659#Comment_121163659

Where do the begin and end ? if a student asked I would prob point to post 1925 maybe when FF was formed and rump of anti treaty became SF. Should the IRA have stopped their actions after housing and jobs for catholics wasnt as big an issue? where and when should they have stopped? i personally believe they may have been right to defend their areas from persecution of loyalist mobs, but i never got the whole British army being a foreign invader, they literally were the proper army of that jurisdiction of the UK. end of. IRA had zero right to take on and go to war against the army of their country. it was basically a civil war type revolution not a freedom fighting mission. when was this mythical Ireland only ever ruled by irish people?

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166380#Comment_121166380

So your excuse for not seeing the first page is you only posted on page 5. Have you an excuse for not seeing the MM interview which was posted since you joined the thread?

Have you also got an excuse for replying to posters who questioned you on certain points by telling them to read the thread?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166662#Comment_121166662

I did only post on page five?

Why would I need an excuse for not watching a mm interview? Guess what, but as a SF voter I don't put much stock in what he has to say. I responded to what you picked from the interview.

And why wouldn't I ask somebody to read the thread if they've missed or ignored something in it? Sure I missed the first page.

You're starting to sound more than a little conspiratorial trying to trying to paint me as some sort of SF agent.

I think some of you struggle with the idea of reluctant SF voters. People that can't be painted as extremists or part of the populist mob are a challenge I guess?

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166811#Comment_121166811

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