Global warming

cfuserkildare

Just found the above chart backing up what I have been saying for years.

Global warming is a wholly natural event, if humanity disappeared tonight, global warming would still happen.

Grayson

Well that's it over then. Let's tell the UN a guy from kildare has a graph.

Smee_Again

After years of searching cfuserkildare finally found a graph that supports his argument.

You should have a read of this.

Jim_Hodge

There weren't too many humans surviving in those ancient warm periods, nor much of our wide variety of food plant or animals. Global weather in those periods was also extremely volatile. The main causes then was massive volcanic activity.

PokeHerKing

To paraphrase George Carlin - The planet will be fine, its humans that are fucked.

marathon2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058316862/global-warming

Comedy gold. Thanks for making my morning,

cfuserkildare

So no-one cares about the fact that we are being lied to about the causes of global warming?

Typical

bb1234567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121200932#Comment_121200932

I'm far more concerned with heads in the most lucrative industries on earth, oil, drilling, fossil fuels, trying to gaslight us and pretend their industries do no harm.

Bigmac1euro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121196488#Comment_121196488

I spat my tea out. Thanks for the laugh

The cause of climate change is Our Management of resources.

Over two thirds of the planet is turning to desert. Why is it turning to desert?

Bio diversity loss. Not enough animals on the land to keep the soils healthy and rain effective. It’s our decision making that’s causing it.

It’s Bare soil causes drought’s, not the other way around.

magicbastarder

@the OP - have you seen chris packham's latest series, which goes into several of the events which led to massive climate change? you might be interested in what caused those historical events, and the effect they had on the planet.

Larbre34

This is accurate; biodiversity, loss of species and habitat is the real threat to a large chunk of humanity and our food chain, rather than transient atmospheric gas composition.

As a species, we have existed on this planet for 0.005% of its history and the atmosphere and environment has varied wildly, even in our short presence. Look after food locally and the atmosphere will take care of itself.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201005#Comment_121201005

if we dont create bio diversity loss we dont get all the problems that we have at the moment.

What were (humans) doing is hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer and going to the doctor wondering why we have a headache.

magicbastarder

it's not just about biodiversity loss, it's about pumping petrochemicals out of the ground too.

All the areas circled in red can only sustain people in the longer term using livestock or wildlife.

That’s a big chunk of land not sequestering carbon, inefficient rainfall leading to floods & silt ending up in our waters, bone dry grass & trees leading to mega fires etc

Upstream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201302#Comment_121201302

These areas in red are turning to desert, largely because of mismanagement by humans.

They are brittle environments that have been damaged by overgrazing and excessive tillage of the soil.

But, if humans chose to manage for recovery and regeneration of the local flora and fauna, plus livestock, they could improve food security and extreme weather resilience, while sequestering carbon and restoring local microclimates. It's a win for biodiversity, the local communities, and the planet.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201580#Comment_121201580

Sounds like you’ve a bit of knowledge with the Savoury Institute?

Were villifying animals like cow’s yet they are the only thing that can solve the problem

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201301#Comment_121201301

Definitely not doing ourselves any favours with those practices but even past civilisation’s failed without the discovery of oil. Even if the whole world gave up fossil fuel tomorrow, climate change I’d going to continue because of biodiversity loss & our management in complexity

SuperBowserWorld

I think the tax take from the MNCs is making people very stupid and complacant in this country.

Potatoeman

If you go back further there are larger swings up and down however core samples taken show we are speeding the process up.

The real problem is that there is no coherent plan, green energy is made from many non recyclable parts, it requires rare earth metals from the third world extracted in the dirtiest ways then shipped through multiple countries for assembly before reaching its destination where it needs concrete which its production is one of the world’s dirtiest industries. Then you have the EU shutting down farms in the name of the environment while importing meat from half way around the world.

The whole thing is a mess and there is no real sustainable plan from anyone.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201841#Comment_121201841

https://savory.global/There is a plan. A solid plan.

It just takes 50 - 200 year’s for institution’s to accept new knowledge or change. The Savory institute has been trying to fix these problems for almost 60 year’s already

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201841#Comment_121201841

The EU have shut down farms, where? Do you know Ireland exports meat and dairy all around the world too, are you also against this?

If Green energy is dirty, what do you think about the oil and gas industry? Ever seen fracking, tar sands etc.? Or the absolute state of the Niger Delta from oil?

Oh and whatever you're posting messages on has those rare Earth metals in it too.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201951#Comment_121201951

This:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/emotion-and-pain-as-dutch-farmers-fight-back-against-huge-cuts-to-livestock

Green energy is not the silver bullet it’s presented to be. I’ve a feeling it will be nuclear again in a few years on the continent. Germany is now over 30% coal powered since the Russian gas cuts. So it’s clear they should have kept them going.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058316862/global-warming

so what? is that going to stop the place flooding, overheating etc?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201976#Comment_121201976

I only skimmed the article but I didn't see anything about the EU shutting down farms, did I miss it?

Potatoeman

They are making farmers reduce the number of pigs they can keep to reduce emissions. We'll face the same soon enough as we are an exporter, it a one size fits all policy that is counter intuitive.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202040#Comment_121202040

the article was to do with the Dutch government trying to reduce the amount of pollution being produced, they introduced "cuts in ammonia, nitrogen oxides and nitrous oxide needed to protect more than 150 nature reserves in the country". I mean given how polluted the land is, this seems like common sense to me, or the country would end up like one giant Lough Neagh.

It didn't mention the EU shutting down farms though as you said before.

francois

What is it with deniers and context free link dumps.

Emblematic

We're in a very unique 10,000 years or so of relatively stable temperatures (to the left of the image below). It has enabled the development of agriculture. Because the temperature was relatively stable, farming knowledge could by passed down through the generations. Once agriculture developed then so could civilization. All known civilizations have arisen in within this 10,000 year stable period, though modern humans go back further.

If you look further back to 35,000 years and before, global temperature fluctuates much more rapidly. We're in quite a delicate situation and one we probably don't want to mess with through emissions.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202103#Comment_121202103

“Farmers express fury at government drive to tackle nitrogen pollution through a major reduction in numbers of pigs, cattle and chickens in the Netherlands”

cuts have consequences.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202159#Comment_121202159

It seems to me the land can't handle that many farmed animals without it being heavily polluted. Anyway you said the EU was shutting down farms, what does this article have to do with anything?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202122#Comment_121202122

Since humans got the tool of fire, god knows when but about 1 million year’s ago.

we have changed the planet ever since. Since we got fire weve developed more and more technology.

But to be Frank nobody knows what the Earth was like 350000 year’s ago.

What we know TODAY is that biodiversity loss is causing Deserts, causing Mega floods & fires, poverty, war & even immigration.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202174#Comment_121202174

Yes you are right, aren’t the Netherlands the 2 largest exporter of food in the EU or world? In An area the size of Munster?

But I guess the Dutch government’s environmental efforts by killing off those animals on farms makes those farmers incomes too low to run a business and subsequently makes farming unviable, forcing them to sell there property’s & land.

Because we all know, farming at the moment is a race to the bottom.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202336#Comment_121202336

Yes they're one of the biggest exporters in the world of food, top 5 anyway, much of the veg on our shelves in Ireland comes from there. I'm not really sure what options they have but to curtail production somewhat if it's going to turn the whole country into toxic waste.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202374#Comment_121202374

Yeah it is truly mad, no doubt very heavy users of all the bad stuff we’re not supposed to use.

Its very simple, they and we (Ireland) have to change our management of resources. We have to change how we make decision’s.

SEPT 23 1989

Trust the Ice Core data

InAtFullBack

Poor land management especially in the tropics typically expands desertification. Increased desertification means a warmer lower atmosphere. A warmer lower atmosphere encourages more evaporation. Increased water vapour in the atmosphere is the biggest heat trapping culprit you can get - knocks C02 out of the park in terms of trapping heat. (Most of the temperature increases we've observed over decades globally are nocturnal - increased water vapour builds cloud so less effect on daytime maxes as Sunshine gets reflected).

One example is the north pole which has seen increased winter temperatures yet slightly cooler Summer temperatures:

Since March 2023 we've been well blasted by the media about increased Global temperatures with warmest month after warmest month being declared (though those should have a huge health warning - they're Satellite measurements, not actual data). Yet there is very little mention about the huge injection of water vapour into the atmosphere caused by the Hunga Tonga Eruption of January 2022.

A proportion of massive volcanos like the HT eruption would typically cause temporary global/regional cooling a few month after they pop - but these ones that cool are most often above sea-level when they erupt. The Hunga Tonga one was different, it was below sea level - so it blasted huge amounts of water vapour up into the atmosphere - very high up there and this stuff takes a fair bit of time to work its way back down to earth - anything up to 4 or 5 years.

It's not rocket science to work out that the blast is very strongly influencing the recent surge of temperatures in alot of regions. Depending on weather patterns over the next few months or even a couple of years we are most likely going to see a humid airmass in many areas - and we all know humidity and heat are great bedfellows.

But heat can only go so far before it condenses and falls as rain/snow - hence our notable wet spells since March... with all the above in mind, don't be shocked to see some alarming snowfalls and winter rainstorms across parts of the northern hemisphere this upcoming winter.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202412#Comment_121202412

It won’t stop these things happening elsewhere as the gap in the market will be filled. It will drive up food prices if one of the largest producers cuts production. You can bet the Chinese market won’t cut production.

This is the problem with most of these policies, they just move the industries to another part of the world with less standards and controls, meaning lower food and environmental standards in these places that don’t control these things at all.

This is my major gripe with most of these policies, they move the problem elsewhere and make it worse and more expensive for everyone. Then there’s a situation like Ukraine and the systems created can’t adapt as they are dependent on external factors. It’s like we’ve learned nothing from the Russian gas situation.

https://savory.global/path-to-a-climate-change-solution-qa-lets-act-now/

I hope everybody can take a few minutes off their to read this.

Does it make sense? I think so

If it does to you too then please share or start talking about it.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204827#Comment_121204827

(5) How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change | Allan Savory - YouTube

Excellent 20 minute video and he really makes the point well.

hymenelectra

We need to stop acting as a pressure release valve for countries that are experiencing overpopulation.

All its doing is overpopulating ourselves, allowing those other countries to continue with abandon, and slowly putting us all in the meat grinder.

Nature is giving us a strong hint yet it seems that people just can't take their eye off some short term money and/or fatal virtue that'll kill everyone.

Population is evening out in Europe. That's a good thing. But damn if the moneymakers will let that happen without a fight. Have to keep that pyramid scheme going at all costs. Globalisation numb nuts.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207877#Comment_121207877

So, disallow NGO's going to 3rd world countries that encourage breeding, like anything sponsored by the RCC? Without population reduction worldwide, everything else is deck chairs on the Titanic.

There's something like 42 times the CO2 trapped in the oceans than in the atmosphere. Imagine if just a small percentage of that is emitted due to warming.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208262#Comment_121208262

Holistic Land Management is relatively new knowledge, nobody is to blame.

Its like blameing somebody for not figuring out how to fly to the sun yet!

Its a paradigm shift.

would agree that the world’s populations aren’t helping the case either, But if we got the other 2 third’s of the planets land & waters healthy & Producing food & fibre again, wouldnt that change everything?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208374#Comment_121208374

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2017-2-march-april/feature/allan-savory-says-more-cows-land-will-reverse-climate-change

Been pushing this for pages and pages now. Savory does not have the data to back up his actual hypothesis and he's been pushing it for three decades. If the science actually aligned with his claims, it would be pursued but it doesn't.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355286215_A_holistic_view_of_Holistic_Management_What_do_farm-scale_carbon_and_social_studies_tell_us

Tell me, What is Science?

Modern science is telling kids these day’s that they can change their sex!!

Holistic Land management works, there started with nothing and now there’s nearly 20 million hectares around the world under management.

You don’t get that kind of success without it working.

And what other option’s have we now to stop bio diversity loss?

eightieschewbaccy

Cool, so you can't demonstrate any tangible impact on global warming? Yep I'm inclined to say, follow the science. And we already know for a fact that humans can have a severe impact on the planet. The hole in the ozone layer, resolved by following the science and it's provable. Meanwhile the Savory institute, no evidence after 30 years...

Also the infatuation certain posters have with trans people is wild.... Discussing global warm and your claimed solution but instead of demonstrating proof of it having an impact, reject the science and go on a tangent.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208464#Comment_121208464

What proof are you looking for? It’s there you just chose not to see it.

I can send in multiple links and videos of results there all available on YouTube and the savoury institute website.

Weve been following the science for hundreds of years man and we are where we are today.

The o zone fixed? Isnt the planet getting hotter & hotter.

People like you keep saying follow the science but i asked you what science is? Do You dont no?

Now tell me your solutions to bio diversity loss, feeding people, jobs, clean air & water?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208555#Comment_121208555

The hole in the ozone layer has been shrinking thanks to a global effort to eliminate CFCs

I'm sure you can send many links provided by the Savory institute. He does deny you can empirically prove the method reduces global warming etc. That's pretty much the default argument for something that has very little scientific basis. Meta analyses of multiple papers have found little to no basis for it. So I'd prefer to follow peer reviewed research of which there is plenty on this area.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309589057_Holistic_management_-_a_critical_review_of_Allan_Savory's_grazing_method

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208409#Comment_121208409

The reason it's not pursued is there is no get rich quick scam in it for the globalist shills.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208374#Comment_121208374

Pointless. If there's more food, there'll be more people.

Doesn't matter how you accomplish it, things will only get worse as the population increases

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208820#Comment_121208820

While I'm sure the poster would agree with this, there's nothing preventing that org from submitting research for peer review. They don't..