Global warming

cfuserkildare

Just found the above chart backing up what I have been saying for years.

Global warming is a wholly natural event, if humanity disappeared tonight, global warming would still happen.

Grayson

Well that's it over then. Let's tell the UN a guy from kildare has a graph.

Smee_Again

After years of searching cfuserkildare finally found a graph that supports his argument.

You should have a read of this.

Jim_Hodge

There weren't too many humans surviving in those ancient warm periods, nor much of our wide variety of food plant or animals. Global weather in those periods was also extremely volatile. The main causes then was massive volcanic activity.

PokeHerKing

To paraphrase George Carlin - The planet will be fine, its humans that are fucked.

marathon2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058316862/global-warming

Comedy gold. Thanks for making my morning,

cfuserkildare

So no-one cares about the fact that we are being lied to about the causes of global warming?

Typical

bb1234567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121200932#Comment_121200932

I'm far more concerned with heads in the most lucrative industries on earth, oil, drilling, fossil fuels, trying to gaslight us and pretend their industries do no harm.

Bigmac1euro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121196488#Comment_121196488

I spat my tea out. Thanks for the laugh

thinkabouit

The cause of climate change is Our Management of resources.

Over two thirds of the planet is turning to desert. Why is it turning to desert?

Bio diversity loss. Not enough animals on the land to keep the soils healthy and rain effective. It’s our decision making that’s causing it.

It’s Bare soil causes drought’s, not the other way around.

magicbastarder

@the OP - have you seen chris packham's latest series, which goes into several of the events which led to massive climate change? you might be interested in what caused those historical events, and the effect they had on the planet.

Larbre34

This is accurate; biodiversity, loss of species and habitat is the real threat to a large chunk of humanity and our food chain, rather than transient atmospheric gas composition.

As a species, we have existed on this planet for 0.005% of its history and the atmosphere and environment has varied wildly, even in our short presence. Look after food locally and the atmosphere will take care of itself.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201005#Comment_121201005

if we dont create bio diversity loss we dont get all the problems that we have at the moment.

What were (humans) doing is hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer and going to the doctor wondering why we have a headache.

magicbastarder

it's not just about biodiversity loss, it's about pumping petrochemicals out of the ground too.

thinkabouit

All the areas circled in red can only sustain people in the longer term using livestock or wildlife.

That’s a big chunk of land not sequestering carbon, inefficient rainfall leading to floods & silt ending up in our waters, bone dry grass & trees leading to mega fires etc

Upstream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201302#Comment_121201302

These areas in red are turning to desert, largely because of mismanagement by humans.

They are brittle environments that have been damaged by overgrazing and excessive tillage of the soil.

But, if humans chose to manage for recovery and regeneration of the local flora and fauna, plus livestock, they could improve food security and extreme weather resilience, while sequestering carbon and restoring local microclimates. It's a win for biodiversity, the local communities, and the planet.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201580#Comment_121201580

Sounds like you’ve a bit of knowledge with the Savoury Institute?

Were villifying animals like cow’s yet they are the only thing that can solve the problem

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201301#Comment_121201301

Definitely not doing ourselves any favours with those practices but even past civilisation’s failed without the discovery of oil. Even if the whole world gave up fossil fuel tomorrow, climate change I’d going to continue because of biodiversity loss & our management in complexity

SuperBowserWorld

I think the tax take from the MNCs is making people very stupid and complacant in this country.

Potatoeman

If you go back further there are larger swings up and down however core samples taken show we are speeding the process up.

The real problem is that there is no coherent plan, green energy is made from many non recyclable parts, it requires rare earth metals from the third world extracted in the dirtiest ways then shipped through multiple countries for assembly before reaching its destination where it needs concrete which its production is one of the world’s dirtiest industries. Then you have the EU shutting down farms in the name of the environment while importing meat from half way around the world.

The whole thing is a mess and there is no real sustainable plan from anyone.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201841#Comment_121201841

https://savory.global/There is a plan. A solid plan.

It just takes 50 - 200 year’s for institution’s to accept new knowledge or change. The Savory institute has been trying to fix these problems for almost 60 year’s already

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201841#Comment_121201841

The EU have shut down farms, where? Do you know Ireland exports meat and dairy all around the world too, are you also against this?

If Green energy is dirty, what do you think about the oil and gas industry? Ever seen fracking, tar sands etc.? Or the absolute state of the Niger Delta from oil?

Oh and whatever you're posting messages on has those rare Earth metals in it too.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201951#Comment_121201951

This:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/emotion-and-pain-as-dutch-farmers-fight-back-against-huge-cuts-to-livestock

Green energy is not the silver bullet it’s presented to be. I’ve a feeling it will be nuclear again in a few years on the continent. Germany is now over 30% coal powered since the Russian gas cuts. So it’s clear they should have kept them going.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058316862/global-warming

so what? is that going to stop the place flooding, overheating etc?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201976#Comment_121201976

I only skimmed the article but I didn't see anything about the EU shutting down farms, did I miss it?

Potatoeman

They are making farmers reduce the number of pigs they can keep to reduce emissions. We'll face the same soon enough as we are an exporter, it a one size fits all policy that is counter intuitive.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202040#Comment_121202040

the article was to do with the Dutch government trying to reduce the amount of pollution being produced, they introduced "cuts in ammonia, nitrogen oxides and nitrous oxide needed to protect more than 150 nature reserves in the country". I mean given how polluted the land is, this seems like common sense to me, or the country would end up like one giant Lough Neagh.

It didn't mention the EU shutting down farms though as you said before.

francois

What is it with deniers and context free link dumps.

Emblematic

We're in a very unique 10,000 years or so of relatively stable temperatures (to the left of the image below). It has enabled the development of agriculture. Because the temperature was relatively stable, farming knowledge could by passed down through the generations. Once agriculture developed then so could civilization. All known civilizations have arisen in within this 10,000 year stable period, though modern humans go back further.

If you look further back to 35,000 years and before, global temperature fluctuates much more rapidly. We're in quite a delicate situation and one we probably don't want to mess with through emissions.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202103#Comment_121202103

“Farmers express fury at government drive to tackle nitrogen pollution through a major reduction in numbers of pigs, cattle and chickens in the Netherlands”

cuts have consequences.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202159#Comment_121202159

It seems to me the land can't handle that many farmed animals without it being heavily polluted. Anyway you said the EU was shutting down farms, what does this article have to do with anything?