Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

TheValeyard

https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-rockets-fired-into-israel-as-video-shows-palestinian-fighters-crossing-border-on-paragliders-12978797

Anniversary of the October war.

But I'm surprised by this. Surely this will mean the end of the Gaza Strip as we know it. The military resources of the Israelis are huge.

I do not know how Hamas are not expecting to get crushed. Maybe they feel its time to strike at Israel now, rather than suffer a slow death over years of Isarel taking piece after piece of land.

Either way, a lot of innocent people are going to die.

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MFPM

Ridiculously provocative by Hamas and a bit desperate as all acts of individual terror are but given the abject brutality of the IDF and their political masters against the Palestinians it's hardly a surprise.

The reaction from the Israelis will be swift and brutal I'd imagine and there'll be significant innocent casualties in the occupied areas.

The Israelis can act with impunity and with the full support of the US for their war crimes it's hardly surprising.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058317133/hamas-strike-on-israel

Israel will probably be blamed for this. They normally get blamed for everything while the Palestinians are never held to account.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204247#Comment_121204247

How can somebody in Ireland take sides on this?

Unprovoked assaults on people in Dublin City.

Energy and food costs keep going up.

Does anybody in the Middle East really care what the average Joe in Ireland thinks?

Feel sorry for the people over there just trying to get on with their lives.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204247#Comment_121204247

The Palestinians have been pushed and pushed and treated like absolute sh1t by the IDF. Lands taken, home occupied. Settlements sprining up in their former areas.

Something like this was inevitable once peace became impossible.

Still think this was an incredibly bizarre move by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. I do not see any way they come out of this intact and we could end up now seeing the full incorporation of Gaza into the State of Israel.

I'd also add some of the footage out there is reportedly horrific and if true, Palestinians may loose any support they currently have.

nacho libre

If Hamas were a secular organisation this would not be happening. I say this because they must know this uprising will result in the most brutal crackdown every seen in this conflict to date. The currrent Israeli defence minister is the most hawkish they ever had. It would not surprise me if this time Israel go after the Hamas leadership abroad.

prunudo

Both sides reap what they sow. When Israel bulldoze homes and annex land they should expect attacks from Hamas. When Hamas fire 100s of rockets, they should expect a counter attack from the Idf.

The major hypocritical moral is the West speak out against a similar country, Russia, yet are to afraid to call out the Israelis.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204271#Comment_121204271

I enjoy playing video games but life is not a video game real peoples lives get ended and ruined in these events.

kirk.

What do you mean the "end of the Gaza strip"

screamer

What a **** show. They’re wrong on all sides there, but the annexation of the Palestinian land years ago was the worst step. Of course, the international communities back Israel but that doesn’t mean what they do is right.

Risteard81

Hamas are correct to militarily engage the Zionist regime in Palestine. There is only Palestine, and Palestinians are brothers of the 32-County Irish and Basques.

NIMAN

Are Hamas able to target their rockets use?

Or is every one of them just landing randomly in Israel?

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204310#Comment_121204310

On paper I agree with you but this is real life innocent people are going to die.

People with young children and infants don't care about the politics of the situation.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204327#Comment_121204327

People who had nothing to do with these rockets are going to be the ones to suffer the counter strike what a depressing world we live in.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204238#Comment_121204238

What about the war crimes of the Palestinians? Why should they get away with it too?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204284#Comment_121204284

I don't play video games anymore. I used to enjoy playing fifa soccer and street fighter. The one thing the Israeli Government and Hamas have in common is they don't care about ordinary Palestinian civilians, who will suffer the most in this yet again.

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204247#Comment_121204247

I wonder why 🤔

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204340#Comment_121204340

Always the average Joe who gets it.

Sierra Oscar

This is a spectacular failure for Israeli secuirty and military intelligence. A large portion of the border seems to have been breached with Israeli security forces loosing control for a few hours. There will be major political fallout aside from the military reaction.

Longing

Absolutely degusting images of Hamas killing people on the streets entering home's and killing all inside also saw footage of killing of children. They will only have them selves to blame for what's coming.

Apparently some mosques in Jerusalem are advocating war against Israel.

https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1710553685841879360?t=zaVKSNe9s-GzMacsYkZ-Lw&s=19

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204310#Comment_121204310

What should happen to the non-Palestinian people in the region?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204310#Comment_121204310

That's easy to say from the sidelines. With this in mind no doubt the Hamas lads living in opulence in Qatar are egging on the leadership in Gaza

Maybe if their leadership abroad do get targeted they will experience what it is like for ordinary people in Gaza they encourage to be martyrs. I bet they won't be as gung ho for uprisings then.

They were using paramotors which is pretty crazy

NIMAN

I'm assuming Gaza is very closely watched, monitored?

Everything moving in and out searched?

If so, how do you manage to get 5000 rockets?

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204327#Comment_121204327

The people they sent in to kill civilians were a bit more targeted. Some horrific images online

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204338#Comment_121204338

They generally don't ever get called out. Only Israel.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204266#Comment_121204266

The leaks are utterly barbaric. They got far too cocky thinking they can get away with anything.

This was a step too far.

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204366#Comment_121204366

And is this ok when the IDF do it?

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204405#Comment_121204405

Maybe they manufacture them

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204419#Comment_121204419

Many people fail to make the distinction between Palestinians and the Palestinian leadership.

The leadership, in Hamas, is no different to ISIS or Al Qaeda. Their barbaric actions today in Israel are consistent with that comparison.

However, many on the pro-Palestinian side are willing to ignore the nature of that leadership if it means "giving it to Israel" such is their absolute, uncompromising hatred of the state of Israel. That doesn't mean everything Israel does is right or justified. Very few people would claim that, but this one-sided hatred of Israel is what allows many people to casually ignore the destruction and deaths that has happened to Israelis today.

What's happening today in Israel simply cannot be justified, even if you are a supporter of Palestinian rights. Unfortunately from what I've seen on social media and elsewhere, there are plenty of people who are on the side of Hamas in this unjustified act of aggression.

Case in point on the casual acceptance:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204475#Comment_121204475

It's never okay.

And it's Hamas that's doing it. Do you condemn their act of war and barbarity today?

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204475#Comment_121204475

When do the idf go into Palestinian cities and kill people in their beds? Shoot elderly people at a bus stop? Do they also parade the dead bodies of raped women?

NIMAN

To be fair, the news media call them out on it.

I assume you mean the average Irish person who supports what Hamas do?

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204475#Comment_121204475

Absolutely disgusting whataboutery.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204485#Comment_121204485

Its the cool thing to blame Israel nowadays?

The Palestinian flag is cool to bring to GAA matches?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204483#Comment_121204483

Yep and you have the usuals with the "what about Israel" "wonder why they attack Israel" guff.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204526#Comment_121204526

So Hamas murdering and raping Israeli civilians is acceptable?

Good to know where you stand on terrorism.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204338#Comment_121204338

The “war crimes” of the “Palestinians” pale in comparison to the oppression and apartheid forced upon them by the nation of israel.

I think you would be fairly angry if some people came and bulldozed your house, took away your freedom of movement and locked you out of education because of your nationality.

Gaza is an open air prison - it’s 2024. The nation of Israel has conducted raids and bombings themeselves only recently but our media doesn’t like to share that news.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20230919-israel-military-raid-kill-3-palestinians-in-west-bank-one-in-gaza

Regularly guns are fired back at protestors who throw stones.

Any Irish person who has read anything unbiased on this whole situation should have one opinion- Israel is firmly in the wrong.

note how I said the nation of Israel - this is because I will be called anti semitic - it’s the last straw, the people of Israel who agree with this conflict and think they are doing the right thing, have to clutch.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204515#Comment_121204515

Its hardly a surprise the thread will be steered this way.

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204384#Comment_121204384

The thieves of Palestine have no rights.

kirk.

It's sad what's coming for the innocents

If there's one thing Israel is good at its revenge

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204483#Comment_121204483

They just conduct air strikes on apartments, schools and hospitals.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2023/7/4/jenin-attack-live-10-killed-as-israeli-raid-enters-second-day

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204544#Comment_121204544

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204541#Comment_121204541

Can you confirm that Israels expansion east, it’s settleing on Palestinian lands, it’s overuse of force and it’s aparthide against the people of Palestine is also not okay?

NIMAN

Some will condemn me for this, but I've been watching this on the news all my life, and to be honest I've got to the stage where I don't really care too much any more. Is that wrong?

Both sides committing atrocities, it appears it has no end.

MFPM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204338#Comment_121204338

What war crimes have the 'Palestinians' committed? The Israeli government and IDF on the other hand have not faced sanctions, threats of the ICC etc for their butchery, forced displacement, torture and continuous ignoring of UN resolutions, the list goes on....I'm surprised Putin hasn't been on to Nethanyahu to ask him how he gets away with it, though I think most of us know how!

Larbre34

The bodies of female Isreali victims of the missile attacks are being paraded in the back of pickup trucks driven by Hamas fighters, stripped naked and desecrated, on social media.

This is as wrong as the Isreali attacks on impoverished civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, but of course Israel has the most effective military force on the face of the Earth and Hamas do not, so it really is not going to end well for them, or for their women and children.

Israel will turn the Palestinian cities and lands to dust on the breeze.......

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204543#Comment_121204543

You are anti semitic though. You think that killing children in their beds is excusable. Raping and parading women's bodies is excusable. Just because they're Jewish.

How Hamas conduct their "warfare" is inexcusable. Glad to see you support it though. You do you 👍

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204348#Comment_121204348

Really is beyond belief.

Local reports saying so far 22 Israelis dead and over 300 injured.

Palmach

I hope this time the IDF are let off the leash. Israel needs to eradicate Hamas. It will probably mean Gaza being taken over by Israel again.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204575#Comment_121204575

Didn’t take long.

disagree with what the nation of Israel does = antisemitism.

At no point did I say what was done this morning was excusable. its just not surprising. The same way Ukraine defending itself is not surprising and the same way our nation was born was not surprising.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204541#Comment_121204541

The Israeli terrorism is actually a lot worse. Neither side are angels in this just so you know.