Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

hotmail.com

The EU asking America to reconsider arming Israel - quite a development.

I doubt we'll see our government or the establishment here criticising anything America does.

paska

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759343#Comment_121759343

She would never get a grilling on RTE, to be honest. The presenter asked where do the people from Rafah go. She evaded the answer and was let off the hook.

She should have been asked to remove the badge on her jacket as well. It's disgusting that she wore our flag on her body.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759372#Comment_121759372

Another one attacking the source instead of debating the content.

Did you read the whole thread? What part of it do you disagree with?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759020#Comment_121759020

Those UNRWA claims were made less than 24 hours after the ICJ ruling against Israel - a total deflection tactic (it's astonishing that the US and UK bought into this nonsense).

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759398#Comment_121759398

I’m sorry if you’re disgusted. Not all Irish people are anti Israel or anti semetic.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759020#Comment_121759020

The UK have a history of starving people they don't like to death.

Why do the media persist on bringing up "TEH OCTOBER 7th TERRORIST ATTACK"? This is literally a drop in the ocean now given what Israel have done the last three months.

Incredible that the media keep giving Israeli spokespeople the amount of airtime they do. Time to peddle outrageous excuses for their clear genocide and land-grab.

And for those reading this thinking "but but but, the hostages, but but, holocaust but but antisemitism 😭", just remember - it is the Kibbutz dwellers that are most anti-Netenyahu. He couldn't care less about the hostages (the fact that he has killed a handful of them already should be clear evidence of this). Netenyahu is all for the hardline Zionists and Zion is is the ultimate goal.

Timberrrrrrrr

So Israel says they rescued two hostages yesterday, one of them was named Louis Har

But it seems he was also part of the hostages release on November 28th

Have Israel been caught out lying yet again?

https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/status/1757117357439267266?t=hJo0TuZ6u5Mcrs2VrZZyMA&s=19

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759297#Comment_121759297

Knock yourself out. It’s not fact though. Can just imagine you on a jury. No evidence or proof necessary!

Toeuptony

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757392#Comment_121757392

https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1757003024612856138?s=20

How could they move towards the path of peace when this is being preached on the airwaves.

This was the sentiment before Oct 7th, but since then they no longer fear saying the quiet part out loud.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759343#Comment_121759343

She is the personification of evil. A duplicitous barefaced liar. There is a clip of her on RTE being asked about the little 6 year old girl who made the call for help. When asked about the little girl and the ambulance men who were incinerated in an attack when they went to try to save her, she tries to imply that they were terrorists.

A sick sick nation of evil people.

Toeuptony

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759517#Comment_121759517

https://x.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1757074366335205606?s=20

Unbelievable! These people have no humanity!

(Apologies Twitter links are not expanding for me for some reason).

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759568#Comment_121759568

You have to click the insert media button (the one beside the paperclip) and paste the link there.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1757074366335205606

I'm sure this is taken out of context and/or happens everywhere.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759495#Comment_121759495

Not surprising. Last night was a massacre and no one was rescued most likely.

Toeuptony

https://x.com/CensoredNws/status/1757098606492844514?s=20

More lies

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759531#Comment_121759531

Supported and funded by America.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759372#Comment_121759372

That's nearly a given though for them.

dmcdona

The imbalance

Against

• Genocide
• 2000lb dumb bombs
• White phosphorous
• 260 infants less than 1 year old murdered
• 90 children killed daily - every single day since 7th October
• Sniping nuns, civilians carrying white flags and sheep
• Refusing water, food, fuel and medical aid
• Looting, stealing and rifling through knicker drawers
• Leaving infants to decompose in an ICU unit
• Bulldozing cemeteries
• Bombing ambulances and killing medical responders
• Razing universities, schools and places of worship
• Destroying hospitals
• Zaka filming PR videos on Oct 7th to raise funds
• Deliberately Targeting children and "safe areas"
• Murdering medical personnel
• Killed three of their own surrendering hostages speaking Hebrew
• Multiple war crimes

1. For Israel to take "all measures" to prevent acts of genocide from taking place - FAIL
2. To ensure the IDF does not engage in any acts of genocide - FAIL
3. To prevent and punish public incitement to genocide, including by government and military officials - FAIL
4. To enable basic services and humanitarian aid to reach Gazan civilians - FAIL
5. To preserve evidence related to violations of Genocide Convention - TBD
6. To submit a report to the ICJ within one month on all measures taken - TBD

For

• Rescued three hostages

Likely result

World pariah forever more known as a Genocidal State

Ten of Swords

@Overheal threadban lifted

dmcdona

Micheál Martin "the continued bombardment on Rafah will constitute a war crime" and "gravely violates international humanitarian law".

Haaretz:

• Israeli forces rescued two hostages. The parents of Sgt. Eldor, who was killed in Gaza on Sunday, called for the return of the hostages: "We got great news today about two that made it out. We need to continue with all our might, in every negotiation, not to divide, not to slander world leaders, that's up to us." At least 67 people were killed and dozens wounded during the rescue operation of Israeli hostages in southern Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.
• Israel called on UN relief agencies on Monday to help with its efforts to evacuate civilians from Gaza war zones ahead of its planned ground operation in Rafah near the Egyptian border, where 1.4 million Palestinians are sheltering.
• Turkey's foreign ministry is in touch with Israeli authorities to resolve the issue of a blocked Gaza aid shipment in an Israeli port, diplomatic sources in Ankara told Reuters.
• In response to President Biden's comment last week that Israel's Gaza campaign is "over the top," EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said that "if the international community believes that too many people are being killed" then "maybe we have to think about the provision of arms" to Israel.
• The U.K. has imposed sanctions against four West Bank settlers involved in violence against Palestinians, one of whom was also sanctioned by the U.S. two weeks ago. U.K. Foreign Secretary David Cameron said the four "are involved in some of the most appalling human rights abuses. We must be clear about what is happening here."
• In response to the sanctions, Israel's far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said that "there's a joint American, British and Arab effort to establish a terrorist state" next to Israel.
• Dozens of Israeli protesters attempted to block aid convoys at the Nitzana border crossing, claiming the supplies go directly to Hamas.
• President Biden called PM Netanyahu an "a**hole" on three separate occasions in private conversations in recent weeks, frustrated by his policy on IDF operations in Gaza and his obstruction of a cease-fire, according to five sources that spoke with NBC. Last week he called Netanyahu "a bad f*cking guy," according to Politico.
• Israeli ministers declared Francesca Albanese, the UN's special rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, persona non grata in Israel after she said victims of Hamas' October 7 attacks were not murdered for being Jews, but "in response to Israel's oppression."
• An appeals court in the Netherlands ordered the government to suspend all supplies of F-35 aircraft parts to Israel over concerns they were being used in violations of international law during Israel's Gaza offensive. The Dutch government said it would file an appeal at the Supreme Court.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759995#Comment_121759995

It wasn't a "random tweet" it was an article in the Times of Israel, they have now "updated" the article

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760053#Comment_121760053

That wasn't what interested me. I was just asking how much credibility you gave her.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760076#Comment_121760076

That's a Twitter claim about a newspaper. No link given. I read the Times of Israel, and I saw their article saying he was freed yesterday - and I'm sceptical that they might also have said (somewhere else??) that he had been freed previously without noticing their own contradiction?

So do you have an actual link to that astonishing mistake you're claiming they made?

It's astonishing because an Israeli newspaper must know that only women and minors were released in November, that none at all were released in December (the fighting resumed on Dec 1st - and they should surely have remembered that any of the very few men who were released in November nearly off the tops of their heads.

comerla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121758454#Comment_121758454

Here with the victimhood again - someone's being antisemitic about the poor Israeli's..

Don't put words in my mouth; I didn't say that anti-semitism is justified.

Most of the rest of us could care less about religion; it is the Zionists who weaponise it.

Zionism is an intrinsically racist ideology, which uses jewishness as a basis for discrimination, and to organise/ apply leverage against other peoples. The major defence used to deflect its critics is to denounce critics of Zionism (the racist construct) and Zionist actions as racist against jews - so the zionists are the ones bringing religion into it and making us wonder (even here now) what it is that is driving this evil sh*t.

In terms of whether the nazis were right to kill those innocent people: of course they weren't. if we were in the late 1930s/ early 1940s I would be arguing that the Nazis should stop discrimination against and killing jews; and we would have some like the Zionist sympathisers we now see on here defending what was happening.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760090#Comment_121760090

Doesn't interest you but you rushed to give it a like all the same. Despite how unlikely it was. No Israeli males over 19 were released, except for a couple of Russians, political reasons.

Didn't it seem implausible to you, or were you really just that keen to believe anything bad about the Israelis at all?

(And I'll be happy to respond to your question when you explain why you rushed to "like" such a ridiculous claim)

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759398#Comment_121759398

Whilst it wasn't a combative grilling, the Ambassador said enough for people to join the dots.

Heard an IDF bloke on Drivetime with Sarah M. He came across the very same.

cj maxx

I honestly believe Israel has pushed this too far . The latest toll I saw was 28,000 dead and multiples of that injured . I believe even the US is trying to calm them down. An apartheid state that is losing its high ground .

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760169#Comment_121760169

I don't have to "believe" anything bad about the Israeli Ambassador at all - she just came right out and made it perfectly clear what her position is and therefore the position of her Government.

As do the IDF and Govt. officials and Settlers.

I "see" it daily - there is no "believe" about it.

And I am most certainly not "keen" to see the Israelis in that position - as I have stated on many occasions. I do not equate "Israelis" with their murderous Government or their murderous army.

No need to respond to my question - you already answered it thanks.

hotmail.com

Joe Biden said tonight that there's too many civilians killed in Gaza but keeps sending in weapons.

Biden tainted by this genocide.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760241#Comment_121760241

Genocide Joe.

The most murderous man in history.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760202#Comment_121760202

Who’s talking about the ambassador? You quoted a post from me about the claim that Louis Har had been reported as being released in November, and that therefore this was all a lie.

If you didn’t want to talk about that, why did you quote it? Especially as you had also liked the claim itself.