Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Timberrrrrrrr

Another 2 journalists targeted by Israeli murder drones, I won't embed the tweet as there is some blood involved.

https://twitter.com/MawtiniLevent/status/1757370334284570715?t=Qxmzo9BY8v-H7gxrMC-LbQ&s=19

Danzy

Al Jazeera Journalist.

ALSO Training and intelligence officer.

You don't get a paying job from the outside in gaza unless you are hamas.

Journalist roles tend to be filled by members of the Hamas intelligence team.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761424#Comment_121761424

I wonder how long Palestinians in the illegally occupied West Bank would be allowed to protest and blockade and obstruct Israeli authorities before getting mown down by machine gun fire

2-seconds? 1 maybe? Shoot first, then shoot the ones coming to retrieve the bodies. I'd say "shoot first and ask questions later" except for the fact that they wouldn't bother with the latter part.

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761399#Comment_121761399

I think you are purposely ignoring the fact that;

A) in an article published by the Times of Israel on the 19th December stated the name Louis Har.

B) That article with the published date of 19th December now states that the Louis Har was released on 12th February 2024.

Do you not think it’s strange that they would edit an article from 2 months ago? Maybe a journalist here would correct me if I am wrong but that would not be best practice as far as I am aware. So naturally, people would ask questions.

Also for your reference a snip of the prior article.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761339#Comment_121761339

Agreed - war is brutal. But there are rules and laws.

Killing civilians to the extent the IDF has been doing, a war crime (Genocide). Killing those surrendering - a a war crime. Killing medical workers - a war crime. Etc.

What other neighbours would the Palestinians have attacked? And when you say "lucky", do you think the Israelis are perpetrating a "light touch" genocide?

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761557#Comment_121761557

ya they really should have to not leave their own land, may be a better idea if the isrealis pissed off back to what ever country they came from

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761367#Comment_121761367

Has any army in living memory paused it's own successful operations to allow such opportunity for civilians to move to safety, can't think of any.

Are you saying the current campaign by Israel is a successful operation? If so, I guess that sounds like full support for genocide and the return of 3 hostages (alive) in exchange for 100,000 dead and injured?

And as the rest of the world is pointing out, there is nowhere safe in Gaza. The Israelis probably mean "safe areas" as in its safe for them to commit more atrocities.

And its not Hamas stealing the food aid, its Israel and the Setters who are not letting it in.

But sure, the ICJ will sort that out I'm sure. Along with the ICC.

Timberrrrrrrr

Hospital loses power due to lack of fuel

10 year old girl in intensive care dies.

It's genocide

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1757300507775734109?t=IwTx31yntGHIE8WAsxWagg&s=19

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761774#Comment_121761774

I get the impression that the "success" part for the Israelis is the 100k Palestinian - mainly civilian - dead or injured. The hostages part is just a useful tool for PR purposes.

Timberrrrrrrr

3 unarmed men trying to start a motorbike, Israel drops a bomb on them

It's genocide

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1757361355491860643?t=7nHrIMoM4WLtY4DYfb1D4w&s=19

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761379#Comment_121761379

So, liking a post is somehow full agreement with the post itself?

I would often post a "thanks" for anyone taking the time and effort to post information here - on review of said information I would then post a response if I felt necessary.

It really is bizarre that you are making all those assumptions on the basis of someone clicking a "thanks" button. But then perhaps you're just grasping at straws.

I asked you a simple question about the Ambassador, I think you're the one doing all the deflecting. Therefore, as I said, I know what your answer is so I'll waste no more of your time.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761822#Comment_121761822

Off you go then: what is my answer?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761383#Comment_121761383

Are they the agressors? People tend to say that hamas started "this round". And yes, Hamas did launch an attack. But remember that israel had been killing Palestinian children on a regular basis up to that point. It could be argued that Hamas started this round because of the escalation in violence. But if we say an escalation in violence is "starting it" then the Israeli attacks have been so severe since then it could be argued that that israel is starting a new round.

At this point I don't think anyone can actually point the finger and go "they started it". Even if you go back to the 40's and before it can be murky. These discussions always turn into whatabouttery. And it was the same in the north. Everytime an IRA crime is mentioned, PIRA supporters will mention something the otherside did and vice versa. Like saying the other side are scum will excuse your side being scum.

Plus, I very much doubt that when 30k people have been killed in retaliations, that any Palestinian would accept a "Well, you started argument". Like the Palestinian civilians deserve to be killed because hamas started something.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761412#Comment_121761412

They don't have to destroy the ideology, and nor are they trying to. What they are trying to do is remove Hamas from power and ensure they are no longer in a position to organise future attacks like the Oct 7th one.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761434#Comment_121761434

haven't israel said that they want to dismantle the Hamas leadership that's in tunnels? that's why they're dropping heavy ordnance on civilian areas, to destroy bunkers underneath.

If all the hamas leadership are living in penthouses in Qatar, then surely all their efforts in gaza will be for nothing.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761879#Comment_121761879

And yet with their genocidal actions they are guaranteeing that Hamas or whatever comes next will have no shortage of volunteers for decades to come.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761904#Comment_121761904

I think considering what happened on October 7th, and how Hamas have promised to commit more such atrocities, over and over, until Israel no longer exists, that it's reasonable to decide that they'll worry about the hypothetical new volunteers after they've dealt with the actual ones already committing murder, rape and kidnappings.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761886#Comment_121761886

Not all of them are. This needs to be spelled out I guess.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761916#Comment_121761916

Thousands of kids/young people who.will grow up after seeing their families murdered by Israel will want revenge, Israel have handed extremists around the world their biggest recruitment drive ever.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761509#Comment_121761509

Best estimates are that somewhere between 6-8,000 civilians were killed in the Battle for Mosul.

One important difference was that ISIS only held Mosul for a relatively brief period prior to the battle so didn't have a couple of decades to build tunnel complexes (unlike Hamas).

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761916#Comment_121761916

Murder? Rapes? Kidnappings? Promises to commit atrocities?

Sounds like the Israelis hate looking in the mirror.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761886#Comment_121761886

Sinwar is down in the tunnels somewhere - the planner of the 07-Oct attacks.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761918#Comment_121761918

How are they going to wipe out Hamas then by terrorizing innocent civilians?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761879#Comment_121761879

I am not a mind reader. So why don't you tell me your view of the ambassador. You have to destroy the ideology long term though as otherwise a variant of Hamas will emerge. You are clever enough to realise this just as Yitzhak Rabin was. He knew that merely winning a war does not equate to long term security for Israel.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761536#Comment_121761536

They're not starving just yet. There's still a bit of animal feed left. And Israel is not sitting by - they are ensuring the Settlers have a cracking party and successfully block the aid trying to get through. That's hard work.

The Israeli report to the ICJ will be an interesting read for sure.

dmcdona

Israel is a democracy? Nah.

Haaretz

'Netanyahu Wants Hostages Dead': Israeli TV Authority Weighs Penalty Against Network Over Pundit's Remarks

The panelist said the Israeli PM 'wants them dead, as holy martyrs, for his own reasons,' prompting Netanyahu's party to declare that 'Hamas does not need their own media if it has News 13'

Israel's television regulatory authority has opened a punitive procedure against an Israeli news outlet after one of its pundits asserted that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "does not want the hostages back alive" and criticized his rejection of a cease-fire deal proposed by Hamas.

dmcdona

Interesting...

Haaretz:

Irish Low-cost Airline Ryanair Cancels All Flights to Israel Abruptly

Ryanair did not offer an official statement or explanation for its decision to cancel all flights to and from Israel in March and April; February's flights are still on the schedule, but will likely be cancelled too

dmcdona

When they're not partying and starving kids to death...

Defense Official Says Extremist Israeli Settlers Torched Car, Tried to Set Home on Fire in West Bank

Tuesday's incidents come amid rising settler violence in the West Bank and attempts to clear lots for future settlements – and after the U.K. and U.S. each sanctioned four extremist Israeli settlers in unprecedented moves.

An Israeli security official reported Tuesday that a group of some 15 Jewish settlers arrived from the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar to the village of Asira al-Qibliya, setting a car on fire and attempting to set a building ablaze.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121762014#Comment_121762014

The political leadership who raise the funds for the military wing will still be free,though. If Qatar refuse to expel or hand them over there should be sanctions put on Qatar to cut this source of funding off. We both know that won't happen,though. So it will probably be a targeted campaign against the leadership in Qatar, but will the Americans allow it or turn a blind eye? They might publicity denounce it while giving their backing in private to save face with Qatar?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121762020#Comment_121762020

That's the thing. If Israel obliterates a field of refugees in tents, they will say Hamas are to blame because there was tunnel nearby and Hamas were in it. When subsequent information shows there was no tunnel and no Hamas anywhere near it, they'll blame Hamas because they'll say Hamas should have been there but instead are living in luxury in Dubai. So the murders are Hamas fault for not being there.

What we are witnessing now is the start of the big ethnic cleansing push. As Netanyahu called it "final" "solution". A big push. tens of thousands vapourised and crippled, trying to force them across the border into Egypt, followed by the excuse that it is Egypt's fault the people are dead. The other countries know it too. And you'll get the apologists on here implying that the Palestinians don't deserve to live because "shure even Egypt doesn't want them".