Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982805#Comment_121982805

The Jihadi protest and counter-protest occurred in Britain, and the counter-protesters were waving the flag of their country, a country that (unlike modern Iran) isn't trying to wipe any other people off the face of the Earth.

As for the deaths of the 33000, you seem to keep finding ways to deflect from the fact that it was Gaza's government that started a full scale war. And that calls for "peace" and "ceasefire" are really just calls to leave Hamas in charge of Gaza.

mvt

I agree that a ceasefire in Gaza will leave Hamas in place because that is what the people in Gaza want.

The best way to get rid of Hamas & indeed the present government in Israel is to come up with fair & equitable plan that delivers a just & lasting peace for both the people of Palestine & Israel who have both been woefully left down by their political " leaders ".

Not easy I know but not impossible either- a political solution is the only way of out this disaster.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121981178#Comment_121981178

Why doesn't the Israeli people rise up and get rid of Bibi and his warmongering government. They could show the world how much they care about innocent lives, throw out the settlers and then how to get along with their neighbours.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121981220#Comment_121981220

Live by the sword …….

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983116#Comment_121983116

These particular marches were organised by Iranian government affiliated groups for Quds day, a day declared by the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime is not exactly known for its love of secularism … so yes, if you're marching with a flag of modern Iran, you're a jihadi.

As to the UK "may not be doing anything now, but they still have a long and stories history of colonial oppression, violence, murder, slave trading," welcome to the history of virtually all of human civilisation before the last 200 years or so. The UK is not alone in this respect in fact neither is any Western country.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983110#Comment_121983110

So you're blaming Jews who live in Europe or the US for the IDF and the Israeli government's actions?

Could you explain how that works?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982953#Comment_121982953

For a regime that wants to wipe people off the face of the map, they are doing a poor job of it. Why haven't they started with the the second biggest Jewish population in the middle East outside of Israel? At the very least why have they not expelled all the Jews from Iran? I also notice you selectively condemn terrorism and refute the notion of state terrorism- unless the charge is against someone you oppose. Some of the Israeli terrorists became political leaders in Israel.

Its typical of you to ignore Israel was founded by terrorists and has engaged in state terrorism over the years. Sorry I forgot It's not terrorism but "pre emptive defense" when it's the people you support.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982354#Comment_121982354

Excellent post. Hits the nail on the head about Biden.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983104#Comment_121983104

israelis want the hostages kidnapped by terrorists on the 7th october back

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982779#Comment_121982779

What you acuse Iran of wanting, Israel is actively having a good shot at doing. The core problem is that the creation of Israel was a massive, stupid mistake. There were supposed to be two states, not one. The zionists are greedy grabbing murderous thugs who want it all and even now are making a big move to steal even more than they have already.

I wish all the pro zionists on this thread would stop their relentless attempts to conflate anti-zionism with ant-semitism.

Anti-semitism is a stupid term anyway as the Palestinians are every bit as much semites as are those semites who follow judaism.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983543#Comment_121983543

The Israelis yes, the current government in Israel? Debateable, they certainly haven't acted as if that were the case.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983605#Comment_121983605

what is a government to do .. give kidnappers teddy bears, flowers, cash, buns, anything they want and say pretty please

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983543#Comment_121983543

Maybe the Israeli terrorists should stop shooting the kidnapped people and bombing the locations where they are located.

They already obliterated a lot of them before they got taken into Gaza in the first place.

Any maybe the terrorists should consider releasing the thousands of hostages being held and abused daily (including sexual abuse) in Israeli facilities.

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983642#Comment_121983642

Yes, it's not like the government of a country is in charge of anything I guess. In your rush to try to make an edgy 'point' you seem to have missed the blindingly obvious.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983353#Comment_121983353

Most of the Jews in Iran had the good sense to leave, most Iranian Jews now live in Israel. As to why Iran tolerates the maybe 10,000 or so that remain, perhaps since they live under Shia domination the Mullahs think they can tolerate them. Iran's interest in all of this is that it wants a Shia dominated Middle East. That's why their proxy fronts attack both Jews in Israel and Sunni Muslims in Sunni states, e.g. the Houthis.

From Iran's perspective, any Jewish state in the Middle East is totally unacceptable - they don't care what Israel's borders are. What that means for the 7.4 million who live in Israel? AFAIK that means they must, from Iran's perspective, be subjugated, expelled or killed.

Sudden Valley

It is so strange reading posts from posters that really seem to want a full scale confrontation between Israel and iran, as if things are not as bad enough at this point. People just handwaving 33k deaths, 10k children seem genuinely bloodthirsty at this point.

I don't see Gaza being livable after the destruction wrought on it and really fear a man made famine is being created.

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983709#Comment_121983709

You have said repeatedly that Iran, all of it, wants to kill Jews. Now you are trying to explain why the Mullahs don't want to kill Jews in Iran. But then again, they are associated with the "modern" Iranian flag, and therefore Jihadists. So Jihadists don't want to kill Jews, is that what you are saying? It's either that or you're just making this up as you go along.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983365#Comment_121983365

woosh.

Odhinn

A small move, but significant

"More than three dozen congressional Democrats – including representative
Nancy Pelosi, the former House speaker and a key Joe Biden ally –
signed a letter to the president and the secretary of state Antony Blinken, urging a halt to weapons transfers to Israel."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/05/biden-israel-gaza-aid

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983709#Comment_121983709

If they want a Shia dominated middle east free of Jews, why are they, as you put it, tolerating Jews in Iran. It doesn't make sense when according to you they want to annihilate all the Jews . Also if they are into martyrdom above all else why have they not launched all out war against Israel? They should be happy to die a glorious martyrs death. It's almost as if the leadership have a keen sense of self preservation because they realise in any direct war with Israel they will lose and their lives are at risk. Which proves that Israel are not under an existential threat, but maybe you need to see it this way to excuse Israeli agression. However that's not how it works in the civilised world with a rules based order. I mean you wouldn't accept the argument from Russia that their war crimes in Ukraine are somehow justifiable because of what America might have done in the past.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984088#Comment_121984088

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984128#Comment_121984128

How do you prove something isn't true? Like, Iran postures about obliterating Israel and driving Jews from the Middle East. Yet, that's not a threat.

And there may be 10,000 Jews in Iran. I say, so what? It proves nothing - it's convenient for the useful idiots to wave 'see, Iran really doesn't mean it when they say they want to obliterate Jews in the Middle East.' Uhuh. Convenient for Iran to not obliterate their own Jews yet. Surprised many can't see through this. Maybe this changes should war break out between Iran (who still pursue nuclear weapons, probably not to drop on the Saudis but who knows.)

There's been blatant antisemitism on this thread. Not often. A picture of a pentagram comes to mind, as well as baseless accusations about dual citizenship for US Congressmen. Lately there's been the old warhorse of Jews running everything in the US, that comes up often.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984219#Comment_121984219

Antisemitism is not the reason though that Israel is receiving so much criticism at the moment. Posters are tired with pro israeli posters constantly handwaving legitimate criticism of a state killing 10s of thousands of civilians as somehow nothing to worry aout and instead harping on about irans evil regime. Both regimes should be condemned and not supported.

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984219#Comment_121984219

Saying "useful idiots" really reinforces the validity of what you think your argument is.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984219#Comment_121984219

Saying there's a strong pro-Israeli lobby in the US is not saying 'the jews run the USA'. Most of it comes from right wing christian evangelists.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984088#Comment_121984088

If Iran's mullahs don't have a problem with Jews, then why are they the main sponsors of Hamas, PIJ and Hezbollah?

mvt

You would have to think that realistically the main problem most of the people in Arab countries & muslims in general have with the state of Israel is the way the Palestinian people are treated by the state of Israel.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984517#Comment_121984517

No ThEy ArE aLl AnTi-SeMiTeS! AnYoNe WhO dIsAgReEs WiTh IsRaEl Is!

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984517#Comment_121984517

So the reason that Israel was attacked by a coalition of Arab states the day after it came into existence as legally as any of the other states that were set up after the Ottoman Empire collapsed or after a colonial power like France or England moved out, it was because pre-emptively they felt sure that Israel was going to treat the non Jews on its territory worse than, say, the Turks treated its Greek/Christian minority, or India treated Muslims, or Pakistan treated Indians?

And not at all because they just refused to have Israel exist in any shape or form?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984448#Comment_121984448

Bibi is a main sponsor of Hamas. You seem shy to acknowledge that.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?amp

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984592#Comment_121984592

how did the Israelis act toward Palestinians the week, months, or years before they became the state of Israel? Hugs and rainbows?