Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094502#Comment_122094502

So that's a No then.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094492#Comment_122094492

The PLO is a generally secular umbrella organisation containing the various Palestinian factions, of which Fatah is the largest. Neither Hamas or Islamic Jihad are members.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094540#Comment_122094540

Not really, it's a "no because palestinians never allowed them to threat them fairly" - you can't claim to be treated fairly and with respect by someone who you're trying to kill.

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Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094562#Comment_122094562

Doesn't really matter, these people constantly fight among themselves just as they fight common enemies. What it matters is that all are seeking the destruction of Israel.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094574#Comment_122094574

According to you it doesn't matter. Given your sparse knowledge of the subject, I'll take my own council on that.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094494#Comment_122094494

HAMAS are all Palestinians but not all Palestinians are HAMAS.

I'm under no illusion at the horrors perpetrated on October the 7th and to be honest, it really did make me reassess my own thinking on the whole situation and gave me a lot more sympathy towards Israel.

However, it didn't make me suddenly see all Palestinians as rapists and murderers. That's dangerous thinking. There are people living through an absolute nightmare in Gaza at the moment who had zero to do with any of the horrors on October 7th.

kowloon

Another one of those anti-semitic types I guess. Apparently, the college is trying to have the ban dropped but the bans are bail conditions for everyone arrested.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094914#Comment_122094914

1st google result

https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2024/05/college-clarifies-stance-on-professor-annelise-orlecks-arrest

Court isn’t likely to wade through each case at bond hearing, just process them all the same to stop them for going straight back out to protest.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094968#Comment_122094968

Is that not saying the college didn't impose the ban and is trying to have the condition, which was part of her bail agreement, dropped?

Markus Antonius

I can't wait for the ground invasion of Rafah. As a staunch Israeli supporter and their nauseating American accents, condescending tone, pointed up noses, it's about time those brown children saw what's coming to them for what happened on October 5th or 9th or whenever the hell it was.

No amount of collateral damage, civilian deaths, acquired acreage can cover the costs of what happened on that day. Until we can establish how many lives are equivalent to one Israeli life, the weapons supply will not cease. Iran, Syria, Ireland, and other staunchly antisemitic states will pay a heavy price for your lack of compliance to this Zionist mission.

Overheal

A bunch of Israelis (a minority perhaps) have been evidenced in this thread being a great bunch of lads - and kicked the **** out of by Israeli police as their reward.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094566#Comment_122094566

'' Palestinians never allowed them to treat them fairly ''

Victim blaming by again also trying to be the victim themselves. Now if there ever was a 'typical' statement then that's it.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094574#Comment_122094574

Likud charter,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/from-the-river-to-the-sea-where-does-the-slogan-come-from-and-what-does-it-mean-israel-palestine

The founding charter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party trolls: “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

Any they're the moderates. Human animals is what Israeli leaders called Palestinian children 😥

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122095031#Comment_122095031

Until we can establish how many lives are equivalent to one Israeli life

Such a bizarre take. This is not a game, no one but you is keeping score. I can't tell how many lives are equivalent to what, I can only tell from my perspective, the lives of my children are worth more than the lives of everyone else in the world and I can understand the Israelis having the same view.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122095836#Comment_122095836

How about a Gazan or are they still sub-human?

StarryPlough01

The Pro-Palestinian protest movement is gathering momentum ~

In the news is McGill University, Montreal. Students say they won’t leave until their demands to divest are met. Some of those investments would be arms manufacturing companies selling arms to Israel, and other Israeli companies... If their demands are met - this will hurt Israel.

There is a heavy police presence on campus.

Canada’s largest university, the University of Toronto also has an encampment.

The University of Vancouver, British Columbia, has an encampment.

The embedded interactive map of university protests around the world - in below link - has been UPDATED to include more universities joining this movement.

Open link here to view interactive map (updated 3 May 2024):
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/P72QC/27/

Another link to the map here:

‘Protests and encampments at college campuses around the world in solidarity with Gaza’

‘Hundreds of students and staff at US universities have been arrested while protesting against Israel's war on Gaza. But the protests aren't limited to the US. Since the start of the war, they have spread to campuses in other parts of the world.’
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/27/pro-palestinian-student-protests-spread-in-second-week-of-demonstrations

StarryPlough01

You have rights all the time. But there are conflicting rights. And who decides when you have conflicting rights? That’s what judges are for.

Overheal

It seems some people have more rights than others. It's like the West Bank, with government enforcers turning a blind eye to people they like instigating violence:

“The videos showed counterprotesters attacking students in the pro-Palestinian encampment for several hours, including beating them with sticks, using chemical sprays and launching fireworks as weapons,” the Times reported. “As of Friday, no arrests had been made in connection with the attack.”

The paper stated the attacks began at 10:50 p.m. “when a group of counterprotesters started tearing away metal barriers that had been in place to cordon off pro-Palestinian protesters” in an encampment that school officials declared illegal earlier in the day.

“Security personnel hired by the university are seen in yellow vests standing to the side throughout the incident,” the Times said. “A university spokesperson declined to comment on the security staff’s response.”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/pro-israel-counterprotestors-instigated-violence-against-pro-palestine-demonstrators-ny-times-finds/

StarryPlough01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122095996#Comment_122095996

Overheal 👍️

STARRY: Jessica Seinfeld is married to well-known actor Jerry Seinfeld of popular Seinfeld TV series fame

Bill Ackman is a billionaire hedge-funder…. Read below: ⬇️

Daily Beast

‘Jessica Seinfeld and Bill Ackman Fund Pro-Israel Counterprotests at Colleges’

‘The cookbook author put up cash for a controversial UCLA counterprotest, and the billionaire culture warrior funded a similar effort at GWU.’

by Kate Briquelet

Updated May 02, 2024
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jessica-seinfeld-and-bill-ackman-fund-pro-israel-counterprotests-at-ucla

“Jessica Seinfeld, cookbook author and wife to comedian Jerry Seinfeld, is funding a pro-Israel counterprotest at UCLA—where violence broke out Tuesday night after a mob attacked demonstrators inside a pro-Palestine encampment.

“A GoFundMe for the effort, which Seinfeld promoted in an Instagram story this week after contributing at least $5,000, has since made the majority of its donations anonymous. The fundraising page has raised more than $93,000 as of Wednesday and also changed its organizer name and description since launching over the weekend.

The Daily Beast left messages for reps for the Seinfelds.

“I just gave to this GoFundMe to support more allies like yesterday’s at UCLA,” Seinfeld wrote this week. “More cities are being planned so please give what you can. Donations are annonymous [sic]. We will continue to share our light and love, as proud American Jews.”

"It’s unclear whether Seinfeld coordinated with the GoFundMe to make donations anonymous after they’d been public earlier in the week. Nor is it clear whether supporters or organizers of this fundraiser were among the 100 or so counterprotesters, some wearing masks, who ripped down barricades or tossed objects including fireworks into the camp opposing Israel’s war on Gaza.

Starry: Surely, this is * Paid Protests, * another variety of crisis actors to gain media attention.

Odhinn

Yet another death in custody -

"A Palestinian doctor has died in an Israeli prison after more than four months in detention, Palestinian prisoner associations have said.

Dr Adnan Al-Bursh, 50, was the head of orthopaedics at al-Shifa Hospital.

The Israeli prison service confirmed that a statement published on 19 April
about a prisoner who was detained for national security reasons and had
died in Ofer prison was Dr Al-Bursh.

No details were given on the cause of death, and the prison service said the incident was being investigated."

Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said in a statement that Dr Al-Bursh’s death meant that the total number of medical workers who had been killed by Israel since the 7 October attack now stands at 496.

It added that 1,500 others had been wounded while 309 had been arrested.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cer3740ddj3o

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122095942#Comment_122095942

So all Palestinians are guilty and they're getting what they deserve? At least you're being honest I guess.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122095932#Comment_122095932

So now you're blaming innocent people for the lives of their innocent children. Pure twisting again from you. There's only one source to blame for the deaths of innocents and that's those who willfully kill them and in this case it's Israel and willful killing is also murder.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122096061#Comment_122096061

Absolute disgrace. Region's only democracy me arse.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122098404#Comment_122098404

Indeed. If that was democracy then jaysus help us all.

"Israeli laws, policies and practices against Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories amount to
apartheid, Amnesty International says."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60197918

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094574#Comment_122094574

That might help you absolve Israel of any blame for their actions, but it's not true. The PA recognise the state of Israel. Applying your thinking all Israelis are responsible for the crimes of Nethanyu because they returned him to Government so often. You don't accept that premise of course.

Potatoeman

Hilarious, the student union shut down access the book of Kell’s losing Trinity money and they fined them the 214,000. It’s easy to be distributive when you’re not footing the bill not so much when they pass the cost onto you.

The student union president should be expelled too. You’ve no right to block others from the college.

https://www.thejournal.ie/trinity-college-fines-students-union-214000-over-book-of-kells-protests-6370260-May2024/

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099770#Comment_122099770

what did I just proofread, potato?

Anyway oh look what’s this

“We challenge our students to think independently, communicate effectively, act responsibly, and develop continuously, equipping them for lives of active citizenship. This Strategic Plan will shape the future of this university to benefit Irish society and the wider world.”

If civil protest (especially angainst genocide) isn’t part of that objective then Trinity must have no idea what it’s doing. Expelling the student union leaders for engaging in the same? 😂

https://www.tcd.ie/strategy/trinity-strategy.pdf

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099790#Comment_122099790

You can protest but you don’t have the right to block others from access to a national treasure, you will be held financially responsible for the consequences of your actions.

Brussels Sprout

So apparently domestic Israeli TV stations only show the Gaza offensive from the perspective of the IDF. As in purely from a military campaign - destroying Hamas etc. The only other perspective is that of the hostages and their relatives.

What they don't choose to show are the pictures that we see in our news channels of the abject misery, suffering and outright slaughter of the Palestinian civilians.

It looks like the Israeli government want to keep it that way by banning Al-Jazeera.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68961753

Cordell

Disrupting normal people, blocking access, roads, encampment is half way there to terrorism. If you need to protest please do, but don't disrupt, intimidate or in any other way prevent people from doing what they have the right to do.