Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169508#Comment_122169508

So who does our government ring in the newly recognised Palestinian state and ask for

1. Release of hostages
2. Handover of HAMAS leaders to ICC

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169011#Comment_122169011

If that's the only message you received from this, then that is incredibly myopic.

riffmongous

A proud day to be Irish.

I find this "rewarding Hamas" line very disturbing, it seems like it's an attempt to completely whitewash everything that's happened since, the tens of thousands of dead civilians, the destruction of a region forcing over a million people into refugees, the starvation and medical disaster and all the while continued ethnic cleansing and settlement of the West Bank (you know, that other part of Palestine that the Israeli enablers want you to forget exists). You can tell that many who say it have no capability of sympathy for the suffering of the Palestinian people, they dont see them as human.

All the same Ireland should have recognised Palestine years ago instead of waiting, following the American line was never anything more than a stalling tactic for the Israelis so that they could colonise the West Bank to an extent that a two state solution would never be possible.

I'm still glad that we did it though before the likes of Ben Gvir manage to push ahead with colonising Gaza and expelling the people there, which he again called for a just a few days ago.

Balagan1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169511#Comment_122169511

Goodness! Why on earth would they expect underhanded tactics from Hamas!

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169011#Comment_122169011

Stop that now, you're not Irish. You're a Israeli bot.

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169108#Comment_122169108

Hamas are not being rewarded, the people of Palestine are. Give them what is theirs and treat them as you would expect to be treated and Hamas will disappear, no fuel, no fire.

Keep bombing, killing and stealing their land, Hamas flourishes. Has 800 yrs of Irish history not taught you this ?

But I and most on here agree with you that Hamas are a terrorist group and needs to be removed…unfortunately Israel is starting to look very like Hamas these days.

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169312#Comment_122169312

Get outta here with all your rational talk…

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169333#Comment_122169333

You'd be surprised what has changed over the last 2-3 weeks. Know for a fact a number of large ESG corporates/mandates are being asked whether funds have any linked to companies supporting or participating in genocide. ICC / ICJ and more states recognising Palestine are raising awareness and people are questioning the status quo.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169274#Comment_122169274

What do you think Israel should have done in response to October 7th? Do nothing? What do you think any other country would do? Seems like you think Israel should "live in peace" by enduring constant attacks without action, or maybe by just not existing anymore. A lot of people would love that anyway

And no they shouldn't be expanding in the west bank before I'm accused of defending that.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169816#Comment_122169816

You raise an interesting point

If all the countries in world including Israel considered Palestine a state then October 7th would have been a declaration of war and more than enough for a casus belli.

Tho that wouldn’t have excused either side of the war crimes they committed

The posters on this thread ignore that the ICC wants both HAMAS and Israeli leadership in court

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169816#Comment_122169816

Well they could start by making the slightest of efforts towards not killing civilians.
They could not level civilian infrastructure.
They could have paused the settlement expansion(Or maybe even stop) in the west bank so as not to keep stirring.
They could have let food aid in over the rafa crossing.

Of course Hamas could have not done Oct 7 but lets not pretend life was any bit decent or safe before this.

2smiggy

wrong thread

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169816#Comment_122169816

So the only options open to Israel were a.) do nothing or b.) Kill 35,000 plus and level the entire area displacing millions and creating a massive humanitarian crisis.

Rezident

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169274#Comment_122169274

Yes Israel could help by not expanding into the West Bank but it's not a genocide. There's over 5m Palestinians there and 500m Arabs in the region. The last genocide was the 800,000 Tutsis killed in Rwanda.

Of course Hamas and their supporters want a genocide of the Jews, which is what this is all about. And Hamas is winning, only 15m Jews left on earth and half that in Israel. It's a miracle they have lasted this long with so many against them.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169885#Comment_122169885

Its a war in a densely populated area, it's awful but people die and buildings get destroyed. Maybe Hamas, who are the government there, should take some steps to protect it's people? But they don't want to do that do they? They seize most of the aid that is let in and shoot people who try to get to it, they could not do that.

Anyway, a senior Hamas leader has put out a statement praising Ireland and others for their actions today so thats great. Maybe they should make a diplomatic visit and be welcomed with open arms? That would be a good look for Ireland.

Its kind of like if other countries started declaring that they recognise a united Ireland. Its not really the way these things should be done from what I gather

ujjjjjjjjj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170018#Comment_122170018

https://www.barrons.com/news/hamas-official-says-brave-resistance-prompted-european-palestine-recognition-moves-0b9c8b7b

Just in case anyone hasn't got the link handy…….

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170018#Comment_122170018

They're also killing a suspiciously large number of journalists and aid workers. We won't know exactly what the butcher's bill is until long after this but I wouldn't be very surprised if this campaign has killed more medics, aid workers and press than comparable campaigns elsewhere.

Rezident

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169903#Comment_122169903

It is war and Hamas are hiding under civilians. How else can you get to them? They still have hostages (some of whom have been raped).

Israel have warned areas in advance, dropped leaflets, texted all the phones to warn of bombing but then Hamas text them and tell them to stay! Do Russia or anyone else take such precautions?

Israel have used 'knockers' (with no explosive) to hit the roof of a building and then called the building to say it was about to be hit to evacuate it and the Palestinians have refused to evacuate because they want more civilian deaths to use against Israel! And it's working. Hamas is winning the PR war. By happily sacrificing their own women and children (while they hide safe underground).

In the cases where Israel may have committed war crimes, I'd say the Hamas sex crimes were the motivation. When you learn what the Palestinians did to the women and children you can understand bombing them. Some of the worst sex crimes while celebrating 'Allahu Akbar!'.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169928#Comment_122169928

the total number of Palestinians in the region and especially the number of Arabs doesn’t disprove that it is in fact a genocide. And Rwanda was not the last genocide before this one, don’t reveal too much of your own ignorance all at once. Many others have occurred since and many are still ongoing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

Balagan1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169229#Comment_122169229

In the Al Jazeera video the Palestinians weren't destroying the aid.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170018#Comment_122170018

it’s okay, I’ve been on the thread long enough to see your stance and that you are quite happy with “collateral damage”. It’s pretty a pretty disgusting stance quite frankly.

HAMAS should be eradicated but obviously the IDF is either thrilled to take as many Palestinians with them or is just the worst at any form of military intelligence. The damage being done the Palestine is deliberate and is designed to put them back into the Stone Age.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169928#Comment_122169928

one side actively doing a genocide, the other wants one but is not doing it … . I don’t care if there is one Israeli in Israel - it’s no excuse to do what they are doing.

“Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories: Killing members of the group. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
“
No mention of numbers in that definition…

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170103#Comment_122170103

Thats the nub of it for ye isnt it. Hamas's crimes mean any response is justified without question it seems.

Isnt it great of them to also send text messages to a destroyed mobile network. And to kindly drop a small bomb on a civilian house in advance of levelling entire neighbourhoods leaving them uninhabitable.

It is possible you know for people to both deplore the Hamas attack and criticise the gross over reaction by the Nethanyahu regime. It is possible to hold more than one opinion at a time you know

Balagan1

Video of the kidnapping of women soldiers from an army base on October 7 being released this afternoon at the request of their families. Chance to see the brave military wing of our soon to be newly recognised state of Palestine in action. It's political head Haniyih is in Teheran today sympathising with his Supreme Leader Khamenei on the"near-martyrdom" of Raisi. Busy day for the leaders of Ireland and Palestine.

facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169374#Comment_122169374

Well said!

Let's get rid of the US multinational's and bring in a rake of Palestinian refugees.

It'd improve the country no end.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170215#Comment_122170215

We continue to recognize the state of Israel who has killed 30,000 in the last six months. Do you complain about our recognition of Israel or do those lives have less value in your eyes?

suvigirl

Can someone explain what is the benefit in recognising a state of Palestine

ZeroThreat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170269#Comment_122170269

Virtue Signalling for the radical left which seems to have seized control of this country.

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170215#Comment_122170215

What's your thoughts on the Israeli response, regarding the killing of women and children. Is that a similar brave military wing of the relatively newly recognised state of Israel. Its leader will soon have a ICC warrant on his head. Busy day for the leaders if Ireland and Palestine, the rightful recognition of the people of Palestine, a proud day for Ireland.

ujjjjjjjjj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170269#Comment_122170269

Ask Hamas or Iran, they seem to have had some very positive PR benefits from it. Bassem Naim a senior Hamas official is over the moon.