Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236358#Comment_121236358

No mention of how she went missing but whatever. No doubt the Hamas heroes who kidnapped her will release her soon. Surely they can see that she has not stolen any land etc etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236173#Comment_121236173

I’m all ears. What is your proposal of a gentle way to eliminate Hamas when they are using their own population as human shields?

It is a shocking waste of life, and part of the Hamas playbook designed to provoke outrage.

Has there been carpet bombing? My understanding was that individual buildings were targeted.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236373#Comment_121236373

No mention how she went missing?

How do you think she went missing?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236377#Comment_121236377

But yet they are still launching attacks from.

https://twitter.com/JackFought_1/status/1712918847639126064?s=20

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236220#Comment_121236220

They didn't own it. Why do people think that the ancestors of people that once lived in a region have the right to suddenly decide to travel to the lands their ancestors once lived in and start demanding to be handed the land to own, regardless of who was currently living there and owns it. 100's of thousands of people were told to leave their homes and land they legitimately owned to make way for Zionist settlers.

Religion should play no part in who owns what piece of ground and no mater what is written down in thousands of years old texts about what god said about that region should matter a damn either. It isn't their "homeland", they should never have been given it in the first place, it was a huge mistake. A mistake which has caused decades of slaughter and huge amounts of money being pumped into Israel to try and keep a hold of this state they claim is theirs based on ancient stories.

Then to ensure this new nation decreed by "god" continues to survive, they take more and more land and plant more and more settlers from around the world in place of the people who were already living there. Look up the videos of Jews coming from around the world and waltzing into the homes of people who are being illegally evicted. And look at the financial assistance they received to go there. For example, a family from US claiming to be Jewish could emigrate to Israel under the law of return and get $20,000 of a grant to help them get set up, 50% relief on their housing, huge tax exemptions, free healthcare (they wouldn't get that in the US), free education for their kids and assistance with gaining employment. So they couldn't care less who they are pushing out and they've been doing it for decades.

When you talk about protestant settlers and should they leave, it's a bit late now isn't it, and that's the point when it comes to Israel and why there was such resistance to them being given that state in the first place, once your in and you hold a claim on it for long enough, then as far as everyone is concerned it's now your and it's unfair to ask you to leave again. The recent violence against Israel isn't a new thing, this has been a constant continuation of resistance from back to the beginning against a state that should never have existed.

But when people around the world hear of the latest trouble in the middle east, they assume it's them uncivilised lunatic Arabs kicking off again, that they are just pure evil, that they have always been unreasonable and violent just for the sake of violence. That Israel have every right to pound them into the ground.

If Israel wants to survive then they are doing all the things right now that will ensure their survival, and that's wiping out the people who never agreed with the creation of their state in the first place. It's extremely sad to see so many around the world who don't understand why it is morally wrong for them to do so. They've done a magnificent PR job throughout the last 75 years or so.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236379#Comment_121236379

read the initial post i am replying to first.

Ce he sin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236167#Comment_121236167

Ask the person I replied to.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236159#Comment_121236159

I am well aware it is a theocracy and it has proxies forces doing its bidding in Iraq, but the claim that it seeks to exterminate all Jews or the state of Israel is hyperbole with no basis in reality. There would be no jewish popuation left in Iran for a start if that was the case. Iran do fund proxies to make trouble for Israel but it cannot and will not ever be a threat to the existence of Israel because Israel is a nuclear state with a powerful army backed up by the strongest military in the world. Israel is not going anywhere and the Iranian leadership know it well.

thereitisgone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236358#Comment_121236358

Ok, am i understanding you correctly, your saying the reason she wont be sleeping in her family home tonight like she normally does is because its not because she was kidnapped by Hamas, but because Israel is reacting in exactly the manner Hamas knew and wanted them to react

Hamas only want Martyrs, they dont care at all about the Palestinian people

They knew exactly how this would play out and went ahead anyway, while they hide in their tunnels and there leaders watch from Abu Dhabi or wherever not from Gaza anyway

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236304#Comment_121236304

Yes, but the problem with Islam is that it not only sanctions death to non-Muslims, but actively encourages it, and its part and parcel of their belief. The fact the majority of Muslims don't follow it to the letter, is just that most Muslims are not murderers, and far from it. But unfortunately, still too many of them do, as we have seen. And all because that "death to the unbelievers" is in the Quran, and it cannot be changed. Its God's will as handed down to Mohammad.

Snooker Loopy

"We will eliminate everything."

https://twitter.com/therapisthammam/status/1712877548420345989

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236235#Comment_121236235

Most likely a temporary one. The talks could well resume in the months after the war is over. By the way Saudi Arabia and Israel have been co-operating on and off behind the scenes for years. What this likely is a move to try and pacify public opinion in the Arab world.

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236358#Comment_121236358

What a response

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236373#Comment_121236373

She hasn’t “gone missing” the report says she was kidnapped by Hamas.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236498#Comment_121236498

Thank you for getting around to providing the context for why the poor girl is where she is.

thereitisgone

Remember, this is what started this, everything after comes from what Hamas did and Hamas knew it would happen

But the more Martyrs they have the better for them, helps keep the money flowing in

The bodies have been taken away already, so its just the house after Hamas brave fighters came to prove there courage

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1713157216314826889

Long Sean Silver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121235619#Comment_121235619

the IDF moved a platoon away from the areas that were attacked by Hamas last Sat. and positioned them to protect settlers, leaving those small towns & Kibbutz totally unprotected. why did they do that? seems a very strange thing to do.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236538#Comment_121236538

Why don't they protest against Hamas, who are responsible for their immiseration, wars with Israel, and lack of peace?

If moderates controlled Gaza, this war would never have happened.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236497#Comment_121236497

I’m sure she isn’t the only disabled person in Gaza who has no access to medication. I hope she can come home and those who need it can receive the care they need.

Brief_Lives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_GDDa4bmI

a complex situation

supermans ghost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236068#Comment_121236068

I think a lot of people in the Labour Party and elsewhere would disagree wholeheartedly with you on this. If it walks like a duck.

But you go on believing that he is not, if it makes you happy.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236427#Comment_121236427

You are not understanding me correctly.

Is that what I said?

No it’s not.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121235506#Comment_121235506

You knew I meant empathy for the suffering people of Gaza. You certainly knew. Those who are suffering the way they did.

nonyabidness23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236575#Comment_121236575

When did that happen?

Dublinshop12

Why it is US hand on all conflicts? Why UK breaking countries to leave them to fight amongst themselves.

Why when US OR UK face recession a new war takes place somewhere?

Hard to believe that Israel could not detect vehicles entering their territory at such large scale.

Game is much bigger and dirty. WMD never found in Iraq, but a country was destroyed. Imagine if China or India invades other countries on pretext of WMD.

Dirty mess created by greed for oil, minerals at the expense of countries who should own it. Africa is poor not because they are uneducated. They are poor because they are provided weapons to fight amongst themselves. They are exploited fot cheap mineral.

How could west starved of key minerals and Oil is advanced while others are poor. Something must be not right.

Most born here, enjoying pubs and EU holidays and watching BBC/CNN won't appreciate.

Eventually it is innocent who suffer either side. Rich control the governments and agendas.hu

brickster69

UNICEF calls for an immediate ceasefire and the delivery of aid to be let into Gaza to avoid a catastrophe. I don't think anyone could argue against that really

https://www.ft.com/content/41db0843-fefb-4abf-ad0e-a390f7c73d7d#post-7f44d493-f3db-4e6c-bfb8-0d29df28f7ca

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236538#Comment_121236538

Israel should never have existed in the first place. They are defending what was never right to begin with.

If England for some mad reason decided in the morning that their ancestors once lived here and they wanted to return to their "homeland" and started taking bits of our country piece by piece until we were all forced into some small corner, and we fought back against it, would England eventually have the right after 75 years to blow us to pieces if we attack them because they now held the land for long enough.

What your saying is that it doesn't matter how Israel exists, it's there now and they can do whatever they like, including decades of terrible war crimes, to keep it. And that this is morally right.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236561#Comment_121236561

Excellent and very fair.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236575#Comment_121236575

The UK didn't start bombing predominantly Catholic areas in the North after some of even the worst attacks by the IRA. There were some terrible acts like bloody Sunday alright, but they didn't start hammering them with bombs even though IRA members were well mixed in with the community.

But you think they would have been well within their rights to blow up houses if they thought the IRA might be in them regardless of innocent Catholics in the same buildings?

thereitisgone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236577#Comment_121236577

But you said

Not much chance of getting any of that if she is under Israeli siege in Gaza. Poor girl.

Your insinuating the reason shes not sleeping in her bed tonight is because of the actions of the Israelis

She was a girl at a festival, kidnapped by Hamas, thats what caused this

Hamas knew exactly what would happen so stop talking nonsense and admit you are wrong in this statement

Hamas only want Martyrs and dont care at all about the consequences for the Palestinian people

They want support sympathy and money to flow in from around the world, while not giving one iota how many Palestinians die

The more that die, the more sympathy they get

Sounds like there is a lot of rebellious teenagers on this thread

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236621#Comment_121236621

What makes the whole Isreal thing crazy is that the land was promised to them in the old testament...that's their claim to the land

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236652#Comment_121236652

The UN got it wrong! As 75 years of pure suffering have proven.

And being Jewish isn't a reason to be entitled to a country. Zionism is wrong!

There's plenty of religions that are in countries around the world that are not treated well by that country. Will we start creating countries for religions now is it? Is that the best thing for the world, seperate us all up into countries based on religion. What if your an atheist, will we have a country for the atheists too?

Religion is something humans made up. It isn't real. No one should be entitled to something or have something taken away based on religion anywhere in the world and when that does happen, it always creates war and suffering.

And by the way, that region had a population of about 2% Jews before the Zionists started their plan.

BorneTobyWilde

It's very likely that when the thousands upon thousands move south into one area, that Israel will take them all out in one strike, and the West will be like '' Israel has the right to defend itself''

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236667#Comment_121236667

No they weren't, because thankfully the UK, bad an all as they were at times, didn't quite go to the same levels of brutality as some of those in Israel have done.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236673#Comment_121236673

Exactly. But in the opinion of many people, they are there now anyway so they can defend it any way they see fit, war crimes included.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236575#Comment_121236575

Your wrong, in your example they could just shoot the terrorist. If they are bombing somewhere they should be making careful calculations to minimise casualties. Its well over 1,000 women and children dead now and final figure will be a lot higher... Israel are clearly not doing enough to limit casualties. If the final figure is 5,000 women and children dead do you think that this is ok?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236631#Comment_121236631

Indeed - the British (for all their faults in NI) were positively extremely restrained during the Troubles compared to what the Netanyahu regime is currently up to. The Israelis already appear to have committed a number of war crimes this week, with many more to follow.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236679#Comment_121236679

Utterly absurd, and completely conspiratorial.

brickster69

Russia condemns the killing of both Palestinian and Israeli people and has tabled a vote at the UNSC for an immediate ceasefire and safe passage of aid to Gaza. If it is vetoed it will then be put to all nations of the UN to individually vote on in the general assembly.

https://twitter.com/brachasha/status/1713169360934592910

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236724#Comment_121236724

I think you mean... When it is vetoed!

No doubt all those countries who recognize the state of Palestine would vote in favour and the rest, for the most part will abstain.

They can't be seen siding with Russia/Iran and going against Israel, yet they can't actually vote against it as it would go against all morales. They really need to remove that abstain option.

Homelander

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236621#Comment_121236621

England is their homeland, not Ireland, and Ireland was never once considered a "homeland" for the UK. England or the UK is not under threat. So no, nobody would think it vaguely credible that England would suddenly decide it wants Ireland again.

What are you suggesting, Israel just stops existing? Hardly a logical argument.

The argument is stupid, Israel exists, and it's not going anywhere. Waffling on about how it should never have been created is pointless.

And that's besides the fact that Jews always lived there and have historic ties to the land going back millenium, they didn't throw a dart at the world map in 1947.

So yes, it's entirely correct to say that it doesn't matter at this stage the rights or wrongs of how Israel was created because it's not going anywhere.

Lumping that factual statement in with "so you think it's OK to kill civilians" and " so you support them doing whatever they want" is nonsense.

Longing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236693#Comment_121236693

Hamas Palestinians are clearly not doing enough to limit casualties. If the final figure is 5,000 Israel's dead do you think that's ok. So far 1300 dead. At least 150 hostages. Remember Hamas Palestinian's were rampaging through Israel this day last week the were not trying to limit the casualties. O no there only concern was what way we will kill them.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236667#Comment_121236667

https://t.me/eyeonpal

Warning, horrific images and videos from Gaza.

Look back along through that for the last few days, can you honestly say Israel are doing their best to target Hamas.

It's very clear they don't care who they hit with their bombs and they have said as much in many interviews over the last few days. They have said Hamas are to blame for the civilian casualties of Israeli bombs. That's not good enough, and they are committing war crimes. Two sides committing war crimes doesn't make it ok.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236741#Comment_121236741

I don't think it has much to do with who recognizes Israel as a state or not. I think it is more to do with who wants a ceasefire and humanitarian aid to be sent to over a million children really and who does not, same when it goes to the general assembly. An abstention is just a shambles really in this case.

What is happening around the Israeli Embassy in Ballsbridge? I was just out for lunch and roads closed off everywhere inc Shelbourne Rd, guards all over the place and helipcopter overhead. Is there protests expected today?

By closed off everywhere - also city centre roads including Pearse Street and Mount Street.

NVM - its a march. Fair play.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236765#Comment_121236765

I guess Israel can have a vote in the UN for support for the war and for cutting off all aid to Gaza. If what you say is true, those who vote no to Russia's resolution would vote yes to Israel's. It's never a simple vote, it's always political, hence the vetos and abstentions.

Ce he sin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236679#Comment_121236679

It's actually very unlikely but hey, don't let that stop you.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236709#Comment_121236709

They've bombed those crossings multiple times this week, the place they're telling them to go to.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236743#Comment_121236743

My example was what if people in England who have ancestors that once lived in Ireland for hundreds of years suddenly decided they want to return here. It was only an example and yes it would be ridiculous for them to think that would be a reasonable thing to do. Just as it was ridiculous for Zionists to think they could just "return" to their "homeland" and start deciding which bits they wanted for themselves and whoever was there could just leave.

The population of Jews in the region before the beggining of Zionism was about 2%. What is it now?

And yes, Israel exists with 75 years and shur how can you just move them all out now. Do you think this means they have the right to committ war crimes to defend themselves. If they want to continue to exist in that region they will have to continue to try and defend themselves against terrorists and whatever else without continuing to commit war crimes. They chose to create their so called "homeland" so they can put up with the mess they have created as far as I am concerned and they shouldn't have support from the rest of the world to defend it. In my view their current situation is of their own making. They are being bankrolled by the US to continue this misery.

The western world decided to be on the side of the Israelis because it suited them better for many economic and political reasons. That doesn't mean the Israelis are the side of good and the Palestinians are on the side of evil and deserve what they get.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236538#Comment_121236538

Israel aren't doing themselves any favors in the PR world over the past week. The various statements from some of their politicians and lack of clarity of practical miltary objectives from this war (an omission noted by some Israeli politicians) are seeing them fall off the relative moral heights that they had a week ago. It's understandable that Twitter is becoming a little less supportive.

I would hope that Israel is moving on from emotion-driven response towards doing something rational. I don't expect Israel to announce ahead of time exactly what they are going to be doing, but they need to hurry up and do it. There probably is an incentive: I'm not sure how long the economy can sustain a full military mobilization.